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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

We dn not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of our Gov . respondents . All Letters must hear the name an I address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .

THE HIGH GRADES OF ANTIENT AND PRIMITIVE MASONRY .

To the Editor of the FREEMASON S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Asa rulol neither reply to reviews nor criticisms of our Rite , but I feel constrained to ask from yon , in all justico , a little space in which I may reply to tho critic who has sn plentifully bespattered my recent lecturo ou the High . Grades with abuse . He has altogether passed beyond tho limits of civility , and

no one can blame me in case I fall into the same vera . Some writer has observed that there are only two styles of criticism , namely , tho slash and the pnff . It is scarcely possible to suppose that this slasher of yours expects a serious answer to his criticism ; and if I rightly recogniso the style , it may to said of hia writings , as Jack Johnson said of his friend , " Not such a fool as he looks . " It is the fashion of

all Masonic journals to praise in tho most fulsome manner all those puerilities which the rest of the world laughs heartily at ; and hence I was quite unprepared for tbe fall of this thunderbolt of the Press on my devoted head . Under the magic steel pen of Slasher my very nature seems to myself to be changed . Grave and hoary as I now am I do not recollect that my most intimate friends have ever attributed

to me the faculty of a developed imagination , and I am equally certain that I do not possess that vice which Disraeli described in Parliamentary langnage as "drawing npon his imagination for his facts . " Can I therefore believe otherwise than that yonr brief to the reviewer bore on its outside , — " No case ; abuse plaintiff's attorney . " I beg you , therefore , in tbe first place to notice that you give your

readers to understand that my lecture was intended to enlighteo the darkness of tho Craft . I said no such thing , and it was far from being the spirit of my lecture , in pointing out that the Antient and Primitive Rite of Masonry was the source to which the uninstructed Craft should look for light as to the history of Masonry and develop , ment of those hidden mysteries of Nature and Science which the

Craftsmen so much neglect . Nevertheless , I flatter myself that I have tested my ground pretty well in my thirty years' acquaintance with all grades in Freemasonry , and that I know it better than your slashing critic . Great offence seems to be taken with my statement that it could not be proved that Craft Masonry had any esoteric mystery before

about 1722 . You admit at the same time that I expressed my belief that they had from remote times ceremonies similar to those now in use . But I cannot prove it , nor can any one else . The very fact of my stating that various High Grade Rites during the last 5 , 000 yoars had given off Craft Associations is evidence of my own belief , and , if admitted , the best evidence we can get that Craft Masonry had its

peculiar ceremonies in all time . But i 3 your slashing critic so far prejudiced in favour of the Craft as to believe that it is the parent of the religious Mysteries ? This we know has been a favourite do ;? ma with some writers of the imaginative period , but is not likely to find any favour with writers of sound judgment . Craft Masonry for some centuries was nothing more than an operative trade union ; and 1 say

that the Sacerdotal Colleges or Fraternities instituted them . The most ancient Constitution traces the origin of the Craft to Euclid ' s Lodge of Geometricians at Alexandria . But the Sacerdotal Colleges and Brotherhoods were thousands of years older than this , and almost all the Greeks who taught the Arts and Sciences ( Socrates excepted ) obtained their learning as initiates of the religions

Mysteries . If yon , on the other hand , derive onr Craft guilds from the Roman Colleges of Artificers , we shall be equally obliged to admit that the Sacerdotal preceded and constituted them . Tbe founder of the Roman Colleges of Artificers was Norma Pompilins , and ancient tradition informs us that he was an initiate of the Etruscan Priests . I even quoted a case in India , of a Sudra Yogam of Artizans , who

assert that they are contemporaneous in antiquity with the Yogams of the Brahmins , but this equal antiquity is very improbable , for reasons which will strike any student of Indian literature . Again , in case we assign to Craft Masonry a middle ago origin we are equally impelled to the conclusion that the system sprang from the Monastic Fraternities . This is all that it is necessary to say in

regard to the preference of date which I have given to the Sacerdotal Colleges . But there are several circumstances which lend countenance to the supposition that tbe Templars gave off our Craft Masonry , or the Hiram system , as distinct from the other systems of operative Masonry practised of old in France , and it may be even in

Britain , amongst the followers of Maitre Jacques , Father Soubise , and perhaps others now extinct . We may go further in search of a father , and fare very much worse . 1 . The Templars had a similar secret organization of their own , with mystic and secret ceremonies . 2 . They built very largely in Europe . 3 . They brought their system from the East . 4 . They actually styled

themselves " Knights of tho Temple of Solomon . . 6 . The present Templar and Craft ceremonies are equally as old as the Grand Lodge . 6 . Von Hammer , the Oriental scholar , has shewn that the " Syrian House of Wisdom " used identical symbols in common with both the Templars and modern Freemasons , and we may

add also the old Rosicrucians . And here I may say , that my account of the Mahommedan House of Wisdom was taken from Von Hammer , who informs us that it consisted of nine degrees , which were obtained by Hakim B'Mir Ella from the Colleges in Egypt . You have already extracted so

Correspondence.

largely from Bro . R . F . Goald ' s work in respect to the Frenoh Com . pagnionages that I need say little here . They are not all likely to have bad an identical origin with the rival system of Hiramite Masonry , but , where not modern , would spring as a matter of necessity from the Monkish fraternities . But such reasoning is not imagination as von term such things ; it is logical deduction acquired

from , and by a knowledge of , history . As to Bro . Ashmole ' s diary , I can only say that your slashing critic must havo read it very indifferently if ho failed to notice that tho last Masonic meeting mentioned by Ashmole in London terminated at tho same time as tho last Rosiorucian meeting , and that the two societies , after a long slumber , revived together , or nearly

so . But why try to enlighten a brother whose sole object 3 eems to bo to use my lecturo as a convenient means of gratifying some grudge against the writer ? I will therefore only answer some of his critisims by asking him questions , leaving him to find the answers as a means of increasing his Masonic knowledge . 1 . Yonr slashing critic , does he not know that" Long Livers "

had a dedication to the G . L . in 1721 , in whioh High Grades are mentioned in Rosicrncian langnage ? ( Bro . Gonld proved that this work was actually printed in 1722 , and was by Robert Samber ) . 2 . Does he not know of any evidenoe that shews that there were other Lodges in existence in the South than those of which G . L . was composed ( Even the learned brother " MASONIC STUDENT " admits

this ) . 3 . Does ho not know that G . M . Payne wa 8 censured by G . L ., and was requested not to attend their so-called irregular meetings . 4 . Does he not know that tha so-called James III ., when he invaded England in 1715 , had embroidered on his banner the Eagle and Pelican ? ( our Rose Croix Badge ) .

5 . Does he not know that Ramsay did propagate a Rite of 7 between 1728 and 1738 , and that it differed in some respects from either the English Rite of 7 ° or the Rosy-Cross Rite of 7 ° . 6 . Does he not know that D'Assigny states tbab the Arch degree of 3 steps was practised at York in 1743 ? 7 . Does he not know that tho York Masons supported and

acknowledged the Athol or Ancient Masons ? 8 . Does he not know that the G . L . of York acknowledged the degroes of Past Master , Arch , Templar , and Priest ? 9 . Does he not know that Prince Charles Edward Stewart did actually charter a High Grade body at Arras as Hereditary Grand Master , which the Grand Orient yet preserves ( or did a few years

ago ) as the Rite of Kilwinning ; and that it was neither Ramsay ' s Rite or that of our Ancient Masons ? 10 . Does he not know that there are records of various bodies in London of Heredom Rosy-Cross , said records then , in 1743 , claiming immemorial date ?

If he is unacquainted with . ill these things the sooner be qualifies himself to write upon Masonry , by studying Masonic history , the better for the "CHRONICLE ' S" reputation . What an ingenious logician ! " Modern " really means " Ancient , " and " Ancient " means " Modern ; " that is what he gravely calls upon us to believe .

I have already shewn in my Lecture how the " Ancient and Primitive Rite of Masonry" may claim to represent the ancient mysteries , and need , therefore , only allude here to the first establishment of our Masonic Rite in Egypt . Various authorities have noticed the fact that Buonaparte's army established a Grand Lodge in Egypt . The acconnt I gave in my Lecture will be found to agree with that in "

Heokthorn's Secret Societies" ( John Hogg ) . The statement that Napoleon and Kleber , as Masons , received investiture with a ring from an Egyptian sage at the Great Pyramid of Cheops , is taken from a recent pamphlet by the Illustrious Bro . S . A . Zola , Past Grand Master of Egypt , but I remember seeing some mention of it about twenty years ago . The previous G . M ., Marquis do Bauregard , 33 ° -97 ° , asserted

that the Dervishes were actual Masons , in an Official Bulletin of the Grand Orient of Egypt , and the present G . M ., Bro . Ralph Borg , had a newspaper article , in which it is alleged that he was allowed , at the request of a friend , to visit one of the Dervish Lodges : he was led blindfolded when nearing the locality , and vouches for the similarity to our Institution . I could give other proof as to the Constantinople

Dervishes , but my obligations prohibit me . Having replied to tbe more Masonic matter , I will touch , as briefly as I can , upon the Oriental Societies . I know of several sach , and am entitled to a fifth degree of the ancient wide-spread Buddhistic order of nine degrees . I am aware that this admission will be turned against me , but our Rite has met with such groat injustice from tho

Unitarian or " Christian Degrees , " that I wonld even renonnoo Christianity if I thought it was at all likely that I should meet with such societies in the next life . But tho fact is of little import , as tho base or esoteric stand-point of all religions is the same . But none of the Oriental Societies will give information to outsiders . _ I could put any deserving Mason in the way of getting some little informabut

tion by degrees from tbe Lodge of a Modern Rite in London , even that wonld depend upon his capabilities . No English Freemason could make any great progress in the Old Societies , as , besides the monkish vows of poverty , chastity , and obedience , they require abstinence from wine , animal flesh , and all sensual indulgence . Any trne initiate of the East knows well what the Ancient

Mysteries were , and in the secret archives of their Orders are preserved untold treasures of ancient wisdom , and no one is likely to accuse the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE of knowing what is hidden even from the Sanscrit scholars of the West . I do happen to know , however , that the colleges of adepts for the instruction of initiates have transmitted their history , from the moat remote times , npon parchment and

tablets of precious stones , and that in proof of this , their history , they point to ruins of ancient temples and caves where their Mysteries were practised . Very recently the scion of one of our great families ( and I mention this only because I know how prone London Masons are to fall clown and worship tbe goldon calf ) submitted evidence to Professor Huxley , who pronounced very favonrably as to the probability of its authenticity . That the Societies of ninth degree are

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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

We dn not hold ourselves responsible for the opinions of our Gov . respondents . All Letters must hear the name an I address of the Writer , not necessarily for publication , but as a guarantee of good faith . We cannot undertake to return rejected communications .

THE HIGH GRADES OF ANTIENT AND PRIMITIVE MASONRY .

To the Editor of the FREEMASON S CHRONICLE . DEAR SIR AND BROTHER , —Asa rulol neither reply to reviews nor criticisms of our Rite , but I feel constrained to ask from yon , in all justico , a little space in which I may reply to tho critic who has sn plentifully bespattered my recent lecturo ou the High . Grades with abuse . He has altogether passed beyond tho limits of civility , and

no one can blame me in case I fall into the same vera . Some writer has observed that there are only two styles of criticism , namely , tho slash and the pnff . It is scarcely possible to suppose that this slasher of yours expects a serious answer to his criticism ; and if I rightly recogniso the style , it may to said of hia writings , as Jack Johnson said of his friend , " Not such a fool as he looks . " It is the fashion of

all Masonic journals to praise in tho most fulsome manner all those puerilities which the rest of the world laughs heartily at ; and hence I was quite unprepared for tbe fall of this thunderbolt of the Press on my devoted head . Under the magic steel pen of Slasher my very nature seems to myself to be changed . Grave and hoary as I now am I do not recollect that my most intimate friends have ever attributed

to me the faculty of a developed imagination , and I am equally certain that I do not possess that vice which Disraeli described in Parliamentary langnage as "drawing npon his imagination for his facts . " Can I therefore believe otherwise than that yonr brief to the reviewer bore on its outside , — " No case ; abuse plaintiff's attorney . " I beg you , therefore , in tbe first place to notice that you give your

readers to understand that my lecture was intended to enlighteo the darkness of tho Craft . I said no such thing , and it was far from being the spirit of my lecture , in pointing out that the Antient and Primitive Rite of Masonry was the source to which the uninstructed Craft should look for light as to the history of Masonry and develop , ment of those hidden mysteries of Nature and Science which the

Craftsmen so much neglect . Nevertheless , I flatter myself that I have tested my ground pretty well in my thirty years' acquaintance with all grades in Freemasonry , and that I know it better than your slashing critic . Great offence seems to be taken with my statement that it could not be proved that Craft Masonry had any esoteric mystery before

about 1722 . You admit at the same time that I expressed my belief that they had from remote times ceremonies similar to those now in use . But I cannot prove it , nor can any one else . The very fact of my stating that various High Grade Rites during the last 5 , 000 yoars had given off Craft Associations is evidence of my own belief , and , if admitted , the best evidence we can get that Craft Masonry had its

peculiar ceremonies in all time . But i 3 your slashing critic so far prejudiced in favour of the Craft as to believe that it is the parent of the religious Mysteries ? This we know has been a favourite do ;? ma with some writers of the imaginative period , but is not likely to find any favour with writers of sound judgment . Craft Masonry for some centuries was nothing more than an operative trade union ; and 1 say

that the Sacerdotal Colleges or Fraternities instituted them . The most ancient Constitution traces the origin of the Craft to Euclid ' s Lodge of Geometricians at Alexandria . But the Sacerdotal Colleges and Brotherhoods were thousands of years older than this , and almost all the Greeks who taught the Arts and Sciences ( Socrates excepted ) obtained their learning as initiates of the religions

Mysteries . If yon , on the other hand , derive onr Craft guilds from the Roman Colleges of Artificers , we shall be equally obliged to admit that the Sacerdotal preceded and constituted them . Tbe founder of the Roman Colleges of Artificers was Norma Pompilins , and ancient tradition informs us that he was an initiate of the Etruscan Priests . I even quoted a case in India , of a Sudra Yogam of Artizans , who

assert that they are contemporaneous in antiquity with the Yogams of the Brahmins , but this equal antiquity is very improbable , for reasons which will strike any student of Indian literature . Again , in case we assign to Craft Masonry a middle ago origin we are equally impelled to the conclusion that the system sprang from the Monastic Fraternities . This is all that it is necessary to say in

regard to the preference of date which I have given to the Sacerdotal Colleges . But there are several circumstances which lend countenance to the supposition that tbe Templars gave off our Craft Masonry , or the Hiram system , as distinct from the other systems of operative Masonry practised of old in France , and it may be even in

Britain , amongst the followers of Maitre Jacques , Father Soubise , and perhaps others now extinct . We may go further in search of a father , and fare very much worse . 1 . The Templars had a similar secret organization of their own , with mystic and secret ceremonies . 2 . They built very largely in Europe . 3 . They brought their system from the East . 4 . They actually styled

themselves " Knights of tho Temple of Solomon . . 6 . The present Templar and Craft ceremonies are equally as old as the Grand Lodge . 6 . Von Hammer , the Oriental scholar , has shewn that the " Syrian House of Wisdom " used identical symbols in common with both the Templars and modern Freemasons , and we may

add also the old Rosicrucians . And here I may say , that my account of the Mahommedan House of Wisdom was taken from Von Hammer , who informs us that it consisted of nine degrees , which were obtained by Hakim B'Mir Ella from the Colleges in Egypt . You have already extracted so

Correspondence.

largely from Bro . R . F . Goald ' s work in respect to the Frenoh Com . pagnionages that I need say little here . They are not all likely to have bad an identical origin with the rival system of Hiramite Masonry , but , where not modern , would spring as a matter of necessity from the Monkish fraternities . But such reasoning is not imagination as von term such things ; it is logical deduction acquired

from , and by a knowledge of , history . As to Bro . Ashmole ' s diary , I can only say that your slashing critic must havo read it very indifferently if ho failed to notice that tho last Masonic meeting mentioned by Ashmole in London terminated at tho same time as tho last Rosiorucian meeting , and that the two societies , after a long slumber , revived together , or nearly

so . But why try to enlighten a brother whose sole object 3 eems to bo to use my lecturo as a convenient means of gratifying some grudge against the writer ? I will therefore only answer some of his critisims by asking him questions , leaving him to find the answers as a means of increasing his Masonic knowledge . 1 . Yonr slashing critic , does he not know that" Long Livers "

had a dedication to the G . L . in 1721 , in whioh High Grades are mentioned in Rosicrncian langnage ? ( Bro . Gonld proved that this work was actually printed in 1722 , and was by Robert Samber ) . 2 . Does he not know of any evidenoe that shews that there were other Lodges in existence in the South than those of which G . L . was composed ( Even the learned brother " MASONIC STUDENT " admits

this ) . 3 . Does ho not know that G . M . Payne wa 8 censured by G . L ., and was requested not to attend their so-called irregular meetings . 4 . Does he not know that tha so-called James III ., when he invaded England in 1715 , had embroidered on his banner the Eagle and Pelican ? ( our Rose Croix Badge ) .

5 . Does he not know that Ramsay did propagate a Rite of 7 between 1728 and 1738 , and that it differed in some respects from either the English Rite of 7 ° or the Rosy-Cross Rite of 7 ° . 6 . Does he not know that D'Assigny states tbab the Arch degree of 3 steps was practised at York in 1743 ? 7 . Does he not know that tho York Masons supported and

acknowledged the Athol or Ancient Masons ? 8 . Does he not know that the G . L . of York acknowledged the degroes of Past Master , Arch , Templar , and Priest ? 9 . Does he not know that Prince Charles Edward Stewart did actually charter a High Grade body at Arras as Hereditary Grand Master , which the Grand Orient yet preserves ( or did a few years

ago ) as the Rite of Kilwinning ; and that it was neither Ramsay ' s Rite or that of our Ancient Masons ? 10 . Does he not know that there are records of various bodies in London of Heredom Rosy-Cross , said records then , in 1743 , claiming immemorial date ?

If he is unacquainted with . ill these things the sooner be qualifies himself to write upon Masonry , by studying Masonic history , the better for the "CHRONICLE ' S" reputation . What an ingenious logician ! " Modern " really means " Ancient , " and " Ancient " means " Modern ; " that is what he gravely calls upon us to believe .

I have already shewn in my Lecture how the " Ancient and Primitive Rite of Masonry" may claim to represent the ancient mysteries , and need , therefore , only allude here to the first establishment of our Masonic Rite in Egypt . Various authorities have noticed the fact that Buonaparte's army established a Grand Lodge in Egypt . The acconnt I gave in my Lecture will be found to agree with that in "

Heokthorn's Secret Societies" ( John Hogg ) . The statement that Napoleon and Kleber , as Masons , received investiture with a ring from an Egyptian sage at the Great Pyramid of Cheops , is taken from a recent pamphlet by the Illustrious Bro . S . A . Zola , Past Grand Master of Egypt , but I remember seeing some mention of it about twenty years ago . The previous G . M ., Marquis do Bauregard , 33 ° -97 ° , asserted

that the Dervishes were actual Masons , in an Official Bulletin of the Grand Orient of Egypt , and the present G . M ., Bro . Ralph Borg , had a newspaper article , in which it is alleged that he was allowed , at the request of a friend , to visit one of the Dervish Lodges : he was led blindfolded when nearing the locality , and vouches for the similarity to our Institution . I could give other proof as to the Constantinople

Dervishes , but my obligations prohibit me . Having replied to tbe more Masonic matter , I will touch , as briefly as I can , upon the Oriental Societies . I know of several sach , and am entitled to a fifth degree of the ancient wide-spread Buddhistic order of nine degrees . I am aware that this admission will be turned against me , but our Rite has met with such groat injustice from tho

Unitarian or " Christian Degrees , " that I wonld even renonnoo Christianity if I thought it was at all likely that I should meet with such societies in the next life . But tho fact is of little import , as tho base or esoteric stand-point of all religions is the same . But none of the Oriental Societies will give information to outsiders . _ I could put any deserving Mason in the way of getting some little informabut

tion by degrees from tbe Lodge of a Modern Rite in London , even that wonld depend upon his capabilities . No English Freemason could make any great progress in the Old Societies , as , besides the monkish vows of poverty , chastity , and obedience , they require abstinence from wine , animal flesh , and all sensual indulgence . Any trne initiate of the East knows well what the Ancient

Mysteries were , and in the secret archives of their Orders are preserved untold treasures of ancient wisdom , and no one is likely to accuse the FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE of knowing what is hidden even from the Sanscrit scholars of the West . I do happen to know , however , that the colleges of adepts for the instruction of initiates have transmitted their history , from the moat remote times , npon parchment and

tablets of precious stones , and that in proof of this , their history , they point to ruins of ancient temples and caves where their Mysteries were practised . Very recently the scion of one of our great families ( and I mention this only because I know how prone London Masons are to fall clown and worship tbe goldon calf ) submitted evidence to Professor Huxley , who pronounced very favonrably as to the probability of its authenticity . That the Societies of ninth degree are

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