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the Hall was not built from a single design , bnt was the combined work of several . Brother Havers earnestly asked Grand Lo'dge to refer the matter back to the Board of General Purposes , with instructions to them to obtain
plans , and submit them to the brethren for their opinion . The building could not be completed for two years , and he thought the Board was not the right party to deal with the matter—a Committee of six or seven would be more
efficient ; and , for the reason that there was nothing to be gained by hurry , nothing wonld be lost by waiting a couple of months inviting plans for consideration . It was most desirable that the brethren who came to Grand Lodge should hear and take part in the proceedings . It would be
necessary to make a building capable of containing 1500 brethren , with due regard to acoustic properties . Bro . Beach thought the brethren might congratulate themselves upon having Bro . Havers amongst them again ,
to advise them on a subject npon which his information and opinion must be worthy of the greatest respect : he thought it desirable there should be no great difference of opinion , and suggested that the Board of General Purposes should endeavour to fall in with the views of the brethren .
Bro . Frank Green argued that Bro . Havers had answered Bro . Stewart ' s proposition . He thought it would be a great mistake to bring a large number of brethren to the consideration of the subject , and considered that the Board of General Purposes was quite competent to decide what
plans should be submitted for inspection . Bro . Brackstoue Baker supported Bro . Havers' motion that the Board of General Purposes should nominate a consultative Committee . Bro . R . Stewart said he did not propose to elect a large committee ; he proposed a committee of six , to act with the
Board of General Purposes . Bro . Henry Hacker objected to Sir J . B . Monckton ' s proposition , as extremely oracle Without giving details as to how the result was arrived at , he had stated generally that the expense of erecting a larger hall would only be £ 500 a year more than at present .
Another brother said the Board had had before it fullest information , and was better able to judge than any outside person as to the removal or not from the present site . He would impress upon the Board or Committee that might be appointed to avail themselves of the opportunity of
perfecting the mode of exit from the Temple . The thought had occurred to him at various times as to the terrible results that would ensue should the brethren from any cause be thrown into a state of panic . Bro . Monckton said that perhaps he mi ght be allowed to end the discussion in a
manner agreeable to all . First , the Board never had entertained the insane policy of having plans which would be adopted without being first submitted to Grand Lodge . Secondly , he had meant to say that the increase of £ 500 a-year in the cost was after making every
allowance . He asked Grand Lodge to ignore the Board altogether ; let there be a Committee of seven , ten , or any number Grand Lodge pleased , but let half be elected by Grand Lodge , and half by the Board of General Purposes . The Committee would be a permanent body , and everything
would be brought before Grand Lodge . Brother fiolden considered this a matter of great importance , which would he best dealt with by referring it back to the Board of General Purposes . The functions of the Board were the dealing with the working out of Masonry , but if he wanted a
buildin g erected he should not think them the most suitable body to be entrusted with the work . Bro . Havers thought the proposal of the Board a very proper one . He suggested that Grand Lodge should select four brethren , and that the Board should also select four ; on this basis
he recommended them to accept Brother Monckton ' s proposal , and withdrew his own . Brother iEneas Mclntyre said , as the Board of General Purposes was a very large , as well as a changeable body , it would not be a convenient course to constitute them a Building Committee . A
smaller permanent Committee would be preferable , and he proposed as an amendment , " That this matter be referred to a Committee consisting of eight members , four being nominated and appointed by Grand Lodge , and four by the Board ; the Chairman to have a casting vote . "
Brother Binokes suggested that Brother Havers should be asked to assist . He strongly objected to the course adopted by the Board of General Purposes as expressed in motion No . 2 , which suggested that the scheme of
reconstruction should be referred back to the Board " for execution under the direction of the Grand Super intendent of Works , " which manifestly meant that Grand Lodge was to leave the matter entirely to the Board . He begged Grand
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Lodge not to give up their power altogether , but adopt Brother Havers' suggestion for the appointment of a Committee to take evidence . The Most Worshipful Pro Grand Master said that the advantage of this discussion had been at least this—that it
had sifted the opinion of Grand Lodge , and it gave him an opportunity of saying with how much personal gratification he had listened once more to his most excellent Bro . Havers . His voice had been very often heard in their councils , and there was no man who could give them
better advice at a juncture like the present . He thought the discussion had 'brought matters to a harmonious point . There was now no question whatever as the proposal of the Board of General Purposes . Brother Monckton had explained that it never was the intention to act without
further consulting Grand Lodge . Grand Lodge , it was clear , must be consulted , and in order that this might be done Grand Lodge must pledge its power to some ono Committee . There was a concurrence of opinion that there should be a Committee , and that part of that Committee should be
named by Grand Lodge . It remained to consider whether the whole or a part should be so named . They were bound to bear in mind two things—first of all , that the Board of General Purposes was selected by Grand Lodge every year , out of the best of their members ,
to consider and carry on many important matters that arise during the year . He was quite sure it was not the wish of Grand Lodge to cast a slight on the judgment of those whom they had placed in that important position ,
therefore it seemed to him to be a fair compromise between two conflicting opinions that the Grand Lodge should nominate half and the Board of General Purposes should choose the other half . All such matters were matters of
compromise . It was an essential condition that there should be give and take ; and he thought himself , though he did not wish to press it upon Grand Lodge for more than it was worth , that it was a fair and reasonable compromise , suggested in a conciliatory spirit . As such he
should be glad to see it adopted , and what was more important , he thought Grand Lodge might adopt it with perfect safety and prudence as regarded the result . He thought it his duty not to withhold his opinion on the point ; ho should wish to avoid all questions of detail ,
because these must be considered by the Committee to be appointed , and must afterwards oome back for confirmation and ratification by Grand Lodge . But he would venture to urge strongly upon those who considered the matter , that whilst they looked to increased accommodation , they must
on the other hand remember that the place in which they met was for the conducting of business , and that if built too large and without reference to acoustic principles , the inconvenience they would all suffer at ninety-nine out of every hundred of their meetings would be a most serious
and irremediable consideration . It would now be his duty to submit to Grand Lodge the proposal that this question be referred to a Committee of eight , of whom four are to be appointed by Grand Lodge , and four by the Board of General Purposes . For the sake of convenience the vote
was put in a slightly altered form , viz ., that this question be referred to a Committee of eight , of whom four are to be appointed by the Board of General Purposes . That having been carried , it was proposed that the other four should be appointed by Grand Lodge , which was also
carried . The motion was then put as a whole , and carried . Bro . Havers next proposed that the matter to be referred should next be fixed ; and that the Committee is to obtain evidence . This having been seconded by Bro . Baker , the
Chairman explained that such Committee was to be instructed to obtain and submit to Grand Lodge evidence and estimates for the rebuilding of Freemasons' Hall , and to deposit them in Grand Secretary ' s office , or in some other place , for the inspection of the Craft in general .
Several brethren were then nominated , and a show of hands taken ; the acting Grand Master declaring the result to be in favour of Bros . Gibson , R . Stewart , Burt and
Lewis-Thomas . The appeal from a decision of the District Grand Lodge of New Zealand was heard and dismissed ; and shortly afterwards Grand Lodge was closed .
The R . W . Sir Francis Burdett has fixed Saturday , the 30 th inst ., for the next meeting of his Provincial G . Lodge . The members of the Province will assemble at Hampton Court , at the New Rooms of the Mitre Hotel , at half-past itwo o ' clock .
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United Grand Lodge.
the Hall was not built from a single design , bnt was the combined work of several . Brother Havers earnestly asked Grand Lo'dge to refer the matter back to the Board of General Purposes , with instructions to them to obtain
plans , and submit them to the brethren for their opinion . The building could not be completed for two years , and he thought the Board was not the right party to deal with the matter—a Committee of six or seven would be more
efficient ; and , for the reason that there was nothing to be gained by hurry , nothing wonld be lost by waiting a couple of months inviting plans for consideration . It was most desirable that the brethren who came to Grand Lodge should hear and take part in the proceedings . It would be
necessary to make a building capable of containing 1500 brethren , with due regard to acoustic properties . Bro . Beach thought the brethren might congratulate themselves upon having Bro . Havers amongst them again ,
to advise them on a subject npon which his information and opinion must be worthy of the greatest respect : he thought it desirable there should be no great difference of opinion , and suggested that the Board of General Purposes should endeavour to fall in with the views of the brethren .
Bro . Frank Green argued that Bro . Havers had answered Bro . Stewart ' s proposition . He thought it would be a great mistake to bring a large number of brethren to the consideration of the subject , and considered that the Board of General Purposes was quite competent to decide what
plans should be submitted for inspection . Bro . Brackstoue Baker supported Bro . Havers' motion that the Board of General Purposes should nominate a consultative Committee . Bro . R . Stewart said he did not propose to elect a large committee ; he proposed a committee of six , to act with the
Board of General Purposes . Bro . Henry Hacker objected to Sir J . B . Monckton ' s proposition , as extremely oracle Without giving details as to how the result was arrived at , he had stated generally that the expense of erecting a larger hall would only be £ 500 a year more than at present .
Another brother said the Board had had before it fullest information , and was better able to judge than any outside person as to the removal or not from the present site . He would impress upon the Board or Committee that might be appointed to avail themselves of the opportunity of
perfecting the mode of exit from the Temple . The thought had occurred to him at various times as to the terrible results that would ensue should the brethren from any cause be thrown into a state of panic . Bro . Monckton said that perhaps he mi ght be allowed to end the discussion in a
manner agreeable to all . First , the Board never had entertained the insane policy of having plans which would be adopted without being first submitted to Grand Lodge . Secondly , he had meant to say that the increase of £ 500 a-year in the cost was after making every
allowance . He asked Grand Lodge to ignore the Board altogether ; let there be a Committee of seven , ten , or any number Grand Lodge pleased , but let half be elected by Grand Lodge , and half by the Board of General Purposes . The Committee would be a permanent body , and everything
would be brought before Grand Lodge . Brother fiolden considered this a matter of great importance , which would he best dealt with by referring it back to the Board of General Purposes . The functions of the Board were the dealing with the working out of Masonry , but if he wanted a
buildin g erected he should not think them the most suitable body to be entrusted with the work . Bro . Havers thought the proposal of the Board a very proper one . He suggested that Grand Lodge should select four brethren , and that the Board should also select four ; on this basis
he recommended them to accept Brother Monckton ' s proposal , and withdrew his own . Brother iEneas Mclntyre said , as the Board of General Purposes was a very large , as well as a changeable body , it would not be a convenient course to constitute them a Building Committee . A
smaller permanent Committee would be preferable , and he proposed as an amendment , " That this matter be referred to a Committee consisting of eight members , four being nominated and appointed by Grand Lodge , and four by the Board ; the Chairman to have a casting vote . "
Brother Binokes suggested that Brother Havers should be asked to assist . He strongly objected to the course adopted by the Board of General Purposes as expressed in motion No . 2 , which suggested that the scheme of
reconstruction should be referred back to the Board " for execution under the direction of the Grand Super intendent of Works , " which manifestly meant that Grand Lodge was to leave the matter entirely to the Board . He begged Grand
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Lodge not to give up their power altogether , but adopt Brother Havers' suggestion for the appointment of a Committee to take evidence . The Most Worshipful Pro Grand Master said that the advantage of this discussion had been at least this—that it
had sifted the opinion of Grand Lodge , and it gave him an opportunity of saying with how much personal gratification he had listened once more to his most excellent Bro . Havers . His voice had been very often heard in their councils , and there was no man who could give them
better advice at a juncture like the present . He thought the discussion had 'brought matters to a harmonious point . There was now no question whatever as the proposal of the Board of General Purposes . Brother Monckton had explained that it never was the intention to act without
further consulting Grand Lodge . Grand Lodge , it was clear , must be consulted , and in order that this might be done Grand Lodge must pledge its power to some ono Committee . There was a concurrence of opinion that there should be a Committee , and that part of that Committee should be
named by Grand Lodge . It remained to consider whether the whole or a part should be so named . They were bound to bear in mind two things—first of all , that the Board of General Purposes was selected by Grand Lodge every year , out of the best of their members ,
to consider and carry on many important matters that arise during the year . He was quite sure it was not the wish of Grand Lodge to cast a slight on the judgment of those whom they had placed in that important position ,
therefore it seemed to him to be a fair compromise between two conflicting opinions that the Grand Lodge should nominate half and the Board of General Purposes should choose the other half . All such matters were matters of
compromise . It was an essential condition that there should be give and take ; and he thought himself , though he did not wish to press it upon Grand Lodge for more than it was worth , that it was a fair and reasonable compromise , suggested in a conciliatory spirit . As such he
should be glad to see it adopted , and what was more important , he thought Grand Lodge might adopt it with perfect safety and prudence as regarded the result . He thought it his duty not to withhold his opinion on the point ; ho should wish to avoid all questions of detail ,
because these must be considered by the Committee to be appointed , and must afterwards oome back for confirmation and ratification by Grand Lodge . But he would venture to urge strongly upon those who considered the matter , that whilst they looked to increased accommodation , they must
on the other hand remember that the place in which they met was for the conducting of business , and that if built too large and without reference to acoustic principles , the inconvenience they would all suffer at ninety-nine out of every hundred of their meetings would be a most serious
and irremediable consideration . It would now be his duty to submit to Grand Lodge the proposal that this question be referred to a Committee of eight , of whom four are to be appointed by Grand Lodge , and four by the Board of General Purposes . For the sake of convenience the vote
was put in a slightly altered form , viz ., that this question be referred to a Committee of eight , of whom four are to be appointed by the Board of General Purposes . That having been carried , it was proposed that the other four should be appointed by Grand Lodge , which was also
carried . The motion was then put as a whole , and carried . Bro . Havers next proposed that the matter to be referred should next be fixed ; and that the Committee is to obtain evidence . This having been seconded by Bro . Baker , the
Chairman explained that such Committee was to be instructed to obtain and submit to Grand Lodge evidence and estimates for the rebuilding of Freemasons' Hall , and to deposit them in Grand Secretary ' s office , or in some other place , for the inspection of the Craft in general .
Several brethren were then nominated , and a show of hands taken ; the acting Grand Master declaring the result to be in favour of Bros . Gibson , R . Stewart , Burt and
Lewis-Thomas . The appeal from a decision of the District Grand Lodge of New Zealand was heard and dismissed ; and shortly afterwards Grand Lodge was closed .
The R . W . Sir Francis Burdett has fixed Saturday , the 30 th inst ., for the next meeting of his Provincial G . Lodge . The members of the Province will assemble at Hampton Court , at the New Rooms of the Mitre Hotel , at half-past itwo o ' clock .