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agree in some particulars , but he has not read my statement correctly , while I have not been as explicit as I might havo been . Permit me to point out that I did not assume " it was the Three of Rawlir . son ' s and Pine ' s Lists which surrendered its ancient privileges ami jm ' ned the 'Old Dundee . ' " My statement was : — "If the ( acta aro na stilted by Oliver , this old No . 3 , " [ that is , the old Lodgo . No . 3 , hold at tho Applo

Tree Tavern , Charles Street , Covent Garden , and the third in order of sequence of the old Time Immemorial Lodges which revived Grand Lodge in 1717 ] , in Rawlinson's and Pine's Lists , No . 11 , and , according to Hughan , No . 18 at this preienfc time , voluntarily surrendered , " & c , & c . The comma after "No . 3 , " disjoins it from what follows in sense as well as literally . Bro . Hughan ' a error , however , is very

excusable , nor would ho have fallen into it , had I arranged the sentence "This old No . 3 , No . 11 in Rawlinson's and Pine ' s List , " & c . & c . In short , Bro . Hughan and I aro of the same mind as far as the following . The old " Time Immemorial" Lodge No . 1 of 1717 exists in our present Antiquity , No . 2 ; the old " Timo Immemorial" Lodge , No . 4 , held at the Rummer and Grapes Tavern , Channel Row ,

Westminster , in 1717 , and moved in the interim between that year and 1734 to the Horn , Westminster , ranking as No . 3 in Pine ' s and Rawlinson's Lists , and as No . 2 of 1738-1813 , is now our No . 4 " R . Somerset House and Inverness ; " -while if No . 11 of Pine and Rawlinson 1734 ( No . 10 according to Book of Constitution , 1738 ) is , as Bro . Hughan surmises , our No . 18 ; and the footnote at pp . 160-1 of

Preston's Illustrations of Masonry about the members of No . 3 1717 , having surrendered their privileges , and become No . 10 , in 1738 , under a new constitution , though " tluy wanted it not , " is correct ; then we have , in our present old Dundee , No . 18 , a trace of this " Time Immemorial" Lodge No . 3 ( not No . 2 , as Bro . Hughan has quoted mo ) , and , as I pointed out , three of the four old Lodgei which revived Grand Lodge in

1717 are still in existence—in the case of Antiquity and R . Som . House and Inverness , in their entirety , and retaining all their ancient privi - leges ; and in No . 18 , " Old Dundee , " under a new Constitution granted 1722-3 , which the members of old No . 3 wanted not , and by seeking which they surrendered their ancient privileges . Or , as I put it in my review , " our present Lodges , No . 2 , No . 4 , and No . 18

are directly traceable to three ( Nos . 1 , 3 , and 4 ) , out of the four old Lodges existing in London in 1717 . " So far it seems to me that all is tolerably plain sailing between us ; but now , in his above communication , Bro . Hughan has made a further statement , respecting which I feel that I must join issue with him . In support of my view I adduce the footnote in Preston already referred to . Bro . Hughan

says , " You are not correct in assuming it was the three of Rawlinson ' s and Pine's Lists which surrendered its ancient privileges , and joined the ' Old Dundee '" ( this I have just now shown was no assumption of mine ) , " as it was in reality the then number two which was the original number three of A . D . 1717 . " I will first of all state that the footnote containing the account of the four old Lodges of

1717 must have been written , not by Preston , who died in 1819 , or by Oliver , though I found it in his edition of Preston , but by Stephen Jones , a P . M . of Antiquity , to whom was entrusted the publication of the thirteenth edition of the Illustrations , which made its appearance in 1821 . For in it occur the words "is still extant ( in 1820 ) , " that is , the year in which tho duty of

preparing this 13 th Edition was entrusted to Jones . Well , the note says , in brief , old No . 1 is now " Antiquity ; " old No . 2 , " formerly held afc the Crown , in Parker ' s Lane , Drury Lane , has been extinct above fifty years , by the death of its old members ; " old No . 3 is the one which had granted to it a new Constitution in 1722-3 , and figures in the Book of Constitutions in 1738 as No . 10 . The members of

old No . 4 joined " the Somerset House Lodge , which immediately assumed their rank . " . This is the present No . 4 . There is , then , no question as to the present existence of the old Nos . 1 and 4 . Now , Bro . Hughan says it was not No . 3 of Pine ' s and Rawlinson ' s Lists which surrendered its privileges , but their No . 2 . I have said I never made this assertion about Pine's No . 3 , and Bro . Hughan

must pardon me for thinking he is m error in saying it was Pine s No . 2 . The note in Preston says distinctly that it was the Old No . 3 which , in 1722-3 , moved to the " Queen's Head , in Knave ' s Acre , " and was the No . 10 in the List of Lodges appended to the Book of Constitutions published in 1738 . No . 11 in Pine ' s List corresponds witb this as to place and date , and No . 11 in Rawlinson ' s as to place

the date 1723 being in this case , I believe , supplied by Bro . Hughan himself . That the No . 11 of 1734 would become , by the demise in the interim of No . 2 , No . 10 of 1738 , is clear ; but how is it possible that No . 2 of Pine could be the old No . 3 , while the latter had already merged its existence in No . 11 of the same list ? The note says the old No . 3 became the No . 10 of 1738 , having in 1722-3 removed to

the Queen's Head , Knave ' s Acre , and taken out a new Constitution . There could not have been ono and the same Lodge existing both as No . 2 and No . 11 in the same list . If the note is right , and No . 10 of 1738 is , as Bro . Hughan says , the same with No . 11 of Pine and Rawlinson , then the No . 2 of these latter must be one and the same with tho old Time Immemorial No . 2 , which in 1717 met " at the

Crown in Parker ' s Lane , Drury Lane , " and had been extinct , by the death of its members , above fifty years when the note was written . In such case Pine ' s and Rawlinson ' s Lists contained Nos . 1 , 2 and 3 ( originally No . 4 of 1717 ) Time Immemorial Lodges , and No . 11 , being the one in which the old No . 3 had merged its existence ; the 1738 list contained Nos . 1 and 2 ( originally No . 4 of 1717 ) , T . I . Lodges , and

No . 10 ( the No . 11 of 1734 and No . 3 of 1717 ) j and the present roll includes these last three , No . 1 being now No . 2 , No . 2 ( the old No . 4 ) being now No . 4 , and No . 10 ( No . 11 of 1734 , and No . 3 of 1717 ) being now No . 18 . In other words , it must be that either Nos . 1 , 3 and 4 of the four old Lodges , or Nos . 1 , 2 and 4 are at this

present time represented by Nos . 2 , 4 , and 18 . In my humble opinion , and taking the note in Preston , and Pine ' s , Rawlinson ' s , and the 1738 Lists as the foundation of my belief , it is the former of the two alternatives which is correct , tho No . 2 of Pine ' s List being the old No . 2 of 1717 , which became extinct by the deaths of its members between 1734 and 1738 . 2 . Our present No . 20 R . Kent Lodge of Antiquity , Chatham . I

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admit that tho excorpt from the bye-laws of the Prov . G . L . of Kent had escaped my observation . However , no harm is done . The auggestion I offered , with a full sonsoof its "flinniness , " merel y falls to the ground . 3 . Pine's No . 35 and our pivsenfc No . W " . Medina . " I had m . ted the difference iu a » o between tho two , 17- t ami 17 ^ I lieiur ; the years

of Constitution affixed respectively . But it occurred to mo there might have been a surrender of rank and tho issue of a now Const ! - tution , as in the case of old No . 3 , referred to above . This , again , however , was merely a suggestion , basoa on the proximity of Gospork and Cowes , Portsmouth , where , as Bro . Hughan says , Pine ' s No . 35 was originally held , being also close at hand .

4 . The present " Strong Man Lodge , No . 4 o . I still incline to the belief that this Lodge is to be connected with Pine's , No . 110 , held at the " Ship Coffee House , near the Hermitage Bridge , " rather than with No . 128 at tho " Duke of Marlborough , Pettieoato Lane , White Chapell . " I admit that as regards date , our No . 45 agrees with the latter , both beiugsefc down as warranted in 1731 , the former

in Grand Lodge Calendar , the latter in Pine ' s list . But Oliver s note at p . 44 of The Revelations of a Square , is so minute in all its details , which are said to be derived from " the Records of Grand Lodge . " The date of tho warrant is given as 2 nd February , 1734—which , according to the old mode of reckoning would bo the year 1733—and this , perhaps , will explain whv , in later lists , no other Lodcje bearing

date 1734 is found ; the No . 110 , or whatever it may have become in the meantime by the closing-up of Lodges , being reckoned among tho 1733 Lodges . I say this , having at this moment no other lists by mo for reference . That there is some difficulty about the date is apparentjon Oliver ' s own showing ; for while 2 nd Feb . 1734 , is given in the note , we are told in the text , " the Strong Man Lodgo was num .

bered 68 " ( query , 98 ) " in tho lists of 1738 , 1761 , and 1767 , and was established according to the former authorities" ( which aro meant is not clear ) , " 2 nd February , 1733 , and by the latter , 17 th February , 1734 . " Here , then , are three different dates—namely , 2 nd February , 1733 , and 17 th February , 1734 , in the text , and 2 nd February , 1734 , in the note ; to which Bro . Hughan now adds a fourth , —namely , that

of Pine s r * o . 128 , warranted 5 fch November , 1734 . Tho confusion between 2 nd February , 1733 , and 2 nd February , 1734 , is , I think , explicable by the old style of reckoning referred to , while in modern times we should bo more exact , and fix the date distinctly in 1734 , as is done in Grand Lodge Calendar . The date apart , however , Oliver is very exact , as I have said , in his details , and points out how ,

by successive closings-up of the Lodges , this No . 110 became No . 98 in 1740 , No . 68 in 1756 , No . 57 in 1770 , No . 44 in 1781 , and No . 41 in 1792 . This was its number afc the Union , after which it became No . 61 in 1814 , and as Bro . Hughan adds in his " List of Lodges at the Union , " No . 53 in 1832 , and No . 45 in 1863 . An authority in the "Strong Man" Lodge itself ought to bo able to determine these points . [ These are the only notes which onr Reviewer asks should be appended to Bro . Hnghan ' s letter , —EDITOR FREEMASON ' S CHRONICLE . ]

Visit Of The Provincial Grand Master To Gosport.

VISIT OF THE PROVINCIAL GRAND MASTER TO GOSPORT .

From the Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette . ON Wednesday , the 10 th inst ., R . W . the Prov . G . M . of Hants and the Islo of Wight ( Bro . W . W . B . Beach , M . P . ) paid a visit to Gosport , for the purpose of consecrating a new Royal Arch Chapter , and also of installing Bro . the Rev . E . B . 0 . Churchill M . A ., Prov . G . Chaplain , as W . M . of the Gosport Lodge , No . 903 . The double ceremony waa anticipated with considerable interest , and in spito of the unfavourable state of the weather there was a numerous

attendance . The first named ceremony commenced afc the Star Assembly Room at 2 . 30 p . m ., when the consecrating Principal opened the Chapter , the other chairs being occupied by Comp . W . Hickman as IL , and Comp . H . M . Emanuel as J ., aud among the 1 st Principals present ; were Comps . J . E . Le Feuvre Prov . S . E ., M . E . Frost Prov . Grand

Treasurer , J . N . Hillman , T . Best , H . Cawte , R . H . C . Ubsdoll , Lillywhite , E . S . Main , & c . The other members having entered the Chapter , the consecrating Principal addressed the Comps . on tho nature of tho meeting . Subsequently , the P . G . S . E ., Bro . Le Fouvro , read the petition and charter , and the companions having signified their approval , in response to an enquiry from the presiding

Principal , of the Principals named in the charter , an oration on Royal Arch Masonry was delivered by Comp . Main . Tho D . C . then presented to the presiding Principal the collars and jewels of tho new Chapter and tho Principals appointed ; and the 1 st Principal Designate presented the members of the now Chapter . An anthem having been sung , tbe various other ceremonies connected with tho

consecration were proceeded with , the several musical portions being admirably carried out by the choir , Comps . J . W . D . Pillow , R . Osborne , F . Feltbam , and Winterbottom . The consecrating Principal then dedicated and constituted the Chapter , and this portion of the ceremony was brought to a close by another anthem being sung .

The installation of the three Principals , Comps . John Wallingford as Z ., H . Sleeman as H ., and G . Felton Lancaster as J ., was performed by Comp . E . S . Main P . Z ., assisted by Comp . J . Lillywhite Z . 257 as H ., and Comp . Hillman P . Z . as J ., the ceremony being conducted in an admirable manner .

At the conclusion of the ceremony , the following were invested as officers of the new Chapter : —Comps . E . S . Main I . P . Z ., Pago S . E ., J . Wilson N ., Rev . E . B . C . Churchill P . Soj ., Robinson and Long Assistant Sojs . The officers having been addressed by Comp . Main , Comp , Whitcomb was elected Treasurer , and several new members