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House Of Commons.

which our ancestors would have shuddered . If in addition to this , the Minister were empowered to dispose of the public money without the consent of Parliament , where was the smallest safeguard for the constitution ? M * Fox theii handed to the chair a motion , conceived in the following words : ' That his Majesty ' s Ministers having authorised and directed , at different times , without the consent , and during the sitting of parliament , the issue of various sumsof money for the service of his Imperial Majesty , and also for the service of the army under the Prince of Contle , have acted contrary to their duty , and to the trust reposed

in them , and have thereby violated the constitutional privilege of this House . ' It was seconded by Mr . Alderman Combe . , Mr . Pitt then rose , and justified the measure in question , by the advantages that had accrued from it ; gave it as his opinion , that the Vote of Credit covered every expenditure for every assignable purpose , even to persons not previously named ; admitted the responsibility of" Ministers ; and acknowledged their culpability irk case of their concealing a foreseen emergency from Parliament when it could be divulged with safety ; but in the . present instance he contended , that publicity ,

-would have had a pernicious effect upon public credit . Such was the opinion of leading men in the city , and of the Directors of the Bank . Besides , he justified his conduct by various precedents . Mr . Bragge opposed the motion , and moved the following amendment : ' That the measure : of advancing the several sums of money , which appear from the accounts presented to the House in this Session of Parliament , to have beeii issued for the service of the Emperor , though not to be drawn into precedent , but upon occasions of special necessity , was , under the peculiar circumstances of the case , a . justifiable and proper exercise of the discretion vested in his Majesty ' s Ministers

. by the Vote of Credit , and calculated to produce consequences , which have proved highly advantageous to the common cause , and to the general interests of Europe . ' Mr . Sheridan adverted to the praise bestowed by the Minister en the last Parliament , and said it would have seemed more sincere if he had not sent so many of its Members to the Upper House , there to hide their heads in cm - nxsls . He expressed his surprise at hearing precedents taken for rules , which , if true , could at best only be exceptions . To prove that they were not true , Mr . Sheridan showed that those of 1706 , 1742 , and 1787 , would not bear any application to the casein

question , If the principle upon which the present measure was justified , were admitted , the Minister would become a judge of the extent , as well as of the mode of the public expenditure . Thisnew Dictator , by what he called ' a delicate process , ' would have it in his power to pay hordes of foreigners to extinguish every spark of British freedom . Under his administration Juries had already been reviled ; Courts of justice declared schools for treason by the first Pensioner of the Crown ; the military separated from their fellow subjects ; the mouths of the people stopped ; and the guardianship of the public purse taken from the House of

Commons . If the House did not check thi : --. reer , he . hould consider them hot only as accomplices in the crime , but as it - -..-takers in the effect of" it . Sir Wm . Pulteney said , that he belie ed : he Minister was n't aware , the other night , of the precedents he now quoted in his defence , which turned out to be nothing at all ; Not one of them could give away the controul of Parliament . The money bills and mutiny bill , the power of ihe parse and the sword , were the two pillars of the constitution ; and the way in which the Minister had weakened one of them called for . the disapprobation of the House . , The House tlien divided on the amendment . For it 2 S 7 . —Against it S 3 . Majority 204 . Adjourned at Half past three .

Thursday , 15 . Dates of the Declaration of War were presented , and ordered to lie on the table . Henrick ' s Naturalization Bill was read a third time , and several other Bills were read a second time . Adjourned . Friday , \ 6 . A committee was chosen to try the merits of Mr . Tierney's petition ' against the second election of Mr . Thellusbn for Smith ' wark . General Fitirpatrick , alter reminding the House thatthree years ago he had implored its clemency for M . de la Fayette and the companions of his flight , proceeded

to state the circumstances of their confinement , am ! the increasing severity with VOL . Vin , ' it

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LONDON: Article 2
TO READERS, CORRESPONDENTS,&c. Article 3
THE SCIENTIFIC MAGAZINE, AND FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY, Article 4
MEMOIRS OF HER LATE IMPERIAL MAJESTY, CATHARINE II. Article 6
REFLECTIONS UPON TRAGEDY. Article 10
ON THE NATIONAL MANNERS OF THE FRENCH AND ENGLISH. Article 12
ON THE INFLUENCE OF THE SEASONS ON THE MENTAL POWERS. Article 14
ANECDOTE. Article 17
MEMOIRS OF THE LATE COLONEL FREDERICK. Article 18
NEW OXFORD GUIDE: OR HUMOROUS SUPPLEMENT TO ALL FORMER ACCOUNTS, OFTHAT ANCIENT CITY AND UNIVERSITY. Article 21
YORICK AND ELIZA. Article 26
ON THE IMPASSIBILITY OF INSECTS. Article 27
ON THE EXISTENCE OF MERMAIDS. Article 28
BON MOT OF A SPANIARD. Article 31
ORIGINAL LETTER FROM ADDISON TO A LADY. Article 32
DESCRIPTION OF AN UNFREQUENTED CAVE, NEAR BESANCON, IN FRANCE. Article 33
FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 34
ROYAL ARCH. Article 38
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 40
POETRY. Article 50
EPILOGUE, TO THE SAME, Article 50
EPILOGUE Article 51
MARY, A TALE. Article 52
SONG. Article 53
OCCASIONAL ADDRESS, SUNG BY THE CHILDREN OF THE FREEMASONS' FEMALE CHARITY, FEBRUARY- 9, 1797. Article 53
SONNET. Article 53
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 54
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 56
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 57
MONTHLY CHRONICLE . Article 62
FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE. Article 67
OBITUARY. Article 70
LIST OF BANKRUPTS. Article 73
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House Of Commons.

which our ancestors would have shuddered . If in addition to this , the Minister were empowered to dispose of the public money without the consent of Parliament , where was the smallest safeguard for the constitution ? M * Fox theii handed to the chair a motion , conceived in the following words : ' That his Majesty ' s Ministers having authorised and directed , at different times , without the consent , and during the sitting of parliament , the issue of various sumsof money for the service of his Imperial Majesty , and also for the service of the army under the Prince of Contle , have acted contrary to their duty , and to the trust reposed

in them , and have thereby violated the constitutional privilege of this House . ' It was seconded by Mr . Alderman Combe . , Mr . Pitt then rose , and justified the measure in question , by the advantages that had accrued from it ; gave it as his opinion , that the Vote of Credit covered every expenditure for every assignable purpose , even to persons not previously named ; admitted the responsibility of" Ministers ; and acknowledged their culpability irk case of their concealing a foreseen emergency from Parliament when it could be divulged with safety ; but in the . present instance he contended , that publicity ,

-would have had a pernicious effect upon public credit . Such was the opinion of leading men in the city , and of the Directors of the Bank . Besides , he justified his conduct by various precedents . Mr . Bragge opposed the motion , and moved the following amendment : ' That the measure : of advancing the several sums of money , which appear from the accounts presented to the House in this Session of Parliament , to have beeii issued for the service of the Emperor , though not to be drawn into precedent , but upon occasions of special necessity , was , under the peculiar circumstances of the case , a . justifiable and proper exercise of the discretion vested in his Majesty ' s Ministers

. by the Vote of Credit , and calculated to produce consequences , which have proved highly advantageous to the common cause , and to the general interests of Europe . ' Mr . Sheridan adverted to the praise bestowed by the Minister en the last Parliament , and said it would have seemed more sincere if he had not sent so many of its Members to the Upper House , there to hide their heads in cm - nxsls . He expressed his surprise at hearing precedents taken for rules , which , if true , could at best only be exceptions . To prove that they were not true , Mr . Sheridan showed that those of 1706 , 1742 , and 1787 , would not bear any application to the casein

question , If the principle upon which the present measure was justified , were admitted , the Minister would become a judge of the extent , as well as of the mode of the public expenditure . Thisnew Dictator , by what he called ' a delicate process , ' would have it in his power to pay hordes of foreigners to extinguish every spark of British freedom . Under his administration Juries had already been reviled ; Courts of justice declared schools for treason by the first Pensioner of the Crown ; the military separated from their fellow subjects ; the mouths of the people stopped ; and the guardianship of the public purse taken from the House of

Commons . If the House did not check thi : --. reer , he . hould consider them hot only as accomplices in the crime , but as it - -..-takers in the effect of" it . Sir Wm . Pulteney said , that he belie ed : he Minister was n't aware , the other night , of the precedents he now quoted in his defence , which turned out to be nothing at all ; Not one of them could give away the controul of Parliament . The money bills and mutiny bill , the power of ihe parse and the sword , were the two pillars of the constitution ; and the way in which the Minister had weakened one of them called for . the disapprobation of the House . , The House tlien divided on the amendment . For it 2 S 7 . —Against it S 3 . Majority 204 . Adjourned at Half past three .

Thursday , 15 . Dates of the Declaration of War were presented , and ordered to lie on the table . Henrick ' s Naturalization Bill was read a third time , and several other Bills were read a second time . Adjourned . Friday , \ 6 . A committee was chosen to try the merits of Mr . Tierney's petition ' against the second election of Mr . Thellusbn for Smith ' wark . General Fitirpatrick , alter reminding the House thatthree years ago he had implored its clemency for M . de la Fayette and the companions of his flight , proceeded

to state the circumstances of their confinement , am ! the increasing severity with VOL . Vin , ' it

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