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    Article PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. ← Page 4 of 9 →
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Parliamentary Proceedings.

Respecting the motion expected to have been brought on this day on the subject of Lord Fitzwiiliani's recal from Ireland , a conversation ensued between the Duke of Norfolk , Earls of Moira and Guildford , and Lord Grenville ; the result of which was , that the former Peer deemed the presence of a noble Duke at the head of the Home Department ( Portland ) , with whose office the transaction in question was intimately connected , in some degree necessary , and as lie understood the noble Duke was detained by indisposition from his attendance in that House , he would therefore wish to postpone the discussion of the

subject to a future period . Wednesday next was the time first mentioned , but it was ultimately fixed for Friday next . A few words ensued between the Duke of Grafton and Lord Grenville , respecting the discussion of the King's Message relative to the Establishment of the Prince of Wales . The noble Duke thought the discussion would move properly come on in ' that House after it had been agitated in the House of Commons . Lord Grenville observedthat what he had to propose on the subject would be

, of such a genera ! tendency , as that , by their Lordships agreeing to it , no embarrassment or inconsistency in their proceedings could properly arise . May i . The Order of the Day being read for taking his Majesty ' s Message into consideration , Lord Grenville moved , that the Message be- read . This being , done by the Clerk at the table , his Lordship said , he rose for the purpose of submitting to the Housean humble Address in answer to his Majesty ' s most gracious

com-, munication . After the explanation of yesterday , it would be superfluous in hini to enter into any detail on this subject . The House was aware ofthe purport of his motion ; and as it ought to be considered merely as a . preliminary to a general discussion , when the specific mode of carrying the object of the Message into effect should . come under their Lordships consideration , his intention was now only to move , that an humble Address be presented to his Majesty , expressing

the thanks of this House for his gracious communication , assuring his Majesty of their readiness to concur in measures for making such provision for the Prince of Wales as shall be deemed suitable to his rank and dignity . The Earl of Guildford said , he did not rise to oppose the Address . It had been worded with so much caution and propriety by the noble Secretary of State , that the House was not pledged to any specific measure . In relieving his Royal Highness from his embarrassments , if-behoved his Majesty ' s Ministers to render the means as palatable to the people as possible . Their burthens , it ought

to be recollected , were already numerous and grievous . In this early stage of the business , he felt it his duty to advert to a report , which , in his opinion , was not calculated to ensure popularity to the measure . Ministers , it was said , had an idea of throwing the whole upon the public , without making the Civil List chargeable with any part of the burthen ! The Message , on the other hand , stated , that his Majesty intended to propose the payment of the Prince ' s debts , by appropriating for that purpose a part of . his territorial revenues . The extreme delicacy of this subject required the utmost caution and circumspection on

the part of Administration in the mode of carrying the Message into effect . Unless his Royal Highness was totally relieved from his embarrassments , the interference of Parliament would be nugatory and inadequate to the purpose . That-the Heir Apparent ought to be freed from all incumbrances , was , he believed , the unanimous opinion of the House ; any regulation short of this would he defective in the most essential article , and the Prince could not be said to possess either comfort , dignity , or splendor , if he were suffered to remain encumbered and embarrassedThe last part of the Messagewhich intimated the

. , adoption of some plan for ' guarding against the possibility of the Prince being involved in any future embarrassment , Would , he hoped , be properly attended . to by Ministers . Too much caution and circumspection could not be exercised , in preventing the establishment of a precedent which might subject'the nation to the liquidation of debts to an unlimited extent . -..-

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TO OUR READERS, CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 2
PRICES OF BINDING PER VOLUME. Article 2
Untitled Article 3
THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE, OR GENERAL AND COMPLETE LIBRARY. Article 4
THE STAGE. Article 6
SKETCH OF THE CHARACTER OF THE LATE JAMES BOSWELL, ESQ. Article 8
BRIEF HISTORY OF THE RELIGIOUS AND MILITARY ORDER OF THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS OF ST. JOHN OF JERUSALEM. Article 10
ANECDOTE OF THE LATE SIR RICHARD ARKWRIGHT. Article 19
ANTICIPATION. Article 20
EXTRACT FROM THE WILL OF THE LATE MR. BOWYER, PRINTER, OF LONDON. Article 22
CURIOUS PARTICULARS RESPECTING THE LAST KING OF CORSICA. Article 23
SPECIMEN OF AN. INTENDED HISTORY OF ENGLAND. Article 26
THE FREEMASON. Article 30
STORY OF URBAIN GRANDIER. Article 33
BASEM; OR, THE BLACKSMITH. AN ORIENTAL APOLOGUE. Article 39
ACCOUNT AND DESCRIPTION OF THE CHAPEL OF ROSLIN, &c. Article 46
PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS. Article 50
POETRY. Article 59
PRESENTED TO A YOUNG LADY, Article 61
EPITAPH. Article 61
Untitled Article 62
AN ELEGY, Article 62
MUTUAL OBLIGATION. Article 63
TO THE STORKS AT AMSTERDAM. Article 63
STRICTURES ON PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 64
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 68
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 69
BANKRUPTS. Article 73
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Parliamentary Proceedings.

Respecting the motion expected to have been brought on this day on the subject of Lord Fitzwiiliani's recal from Ireland , a conversation ensued between the Duke of Norfolk , Earls of Moira and Guildford , and Lord Grenville ; the result of which was , that the former Peer deemed the presence of a noble Duke at the head of the Home Department ( Portland ) , with whose office the transaction in question was intimately connected , in some degree necessary , and as lie understood the noble Duke was detained by indisposition from his attendance in that House , he would therefore wish to postpone the discussion of the

subject to a future period . Wednesday next was the time first mentioned , but it was ultimately fixed for Friday next . A few words ensued between the Duke of Grafton and Lord Grenville , respecting the discussion of the King's Message relative to the Establishment of the Prince of Wales . The noble Duke thought the discussion would move properly come on in ' that House after it had been agitated in the House of Commons . Lord Grenville observedthat what he had to propose on the subject would be

, of such a genera ! tendency , as that , by their Lordships agreeing to it , no embarrassment or inconsistency in their proceedings could properly arise . May i . The Order of the Day being read for taking his Majesty ' s Message into consideration , Lord Grenville moved , that the Message be- read . This being , done by the Clerk at the table , his Lordship said , he rose for the purpose of submitting to the Housean humble Address in answer to his Majesty ' s most gracious

com-, munication . After the explanation of yesterday , it would be superfluous in hini to enter into any detail on this subject . The House was aware ofthe purport of his motion ; and as it ought to be considered merely as a . preliminary to a general discussion , when the specific mode of carrying the object of the Message into effect should . come under their Lordships consideration , his intention was now only to move , that an humble Address be presented to his Majesty , expressing

the thanks of this House for his gracious communication , assuring his Majesty of their readiness to concur in measures for making such provision for the Prince of Wales as shall be deemed suitable to his rank and dignity . The Earl of Guildford said , he did not rise to oppose the Address . It had been worded with so much caution and propriety by the noble Secretary of State , that the House was not pledged to any specific measure . In relieving his Royal Highness from his embarrassments , if-behoved his Majesty ' s Ministers to render the means as palatable to the people as possible . Their burthens , it ought

to be recollected , were already numerous and grievous . In this early stage of the business , he felt it his duty to advert to a report , which , in his opinion , was not calculated to ensure popularity to the measure . Ministers , it was said , had an idea of throwing the whole upon the public , without making the Civil List chargeable with any part of the burthen ! The Message , on the other hand , stated , that his Majesty intended to propose the payment of the Prince ' s debts , by appropriating for that purpose a part of . his territorial revenues . The extreme delicacy of this subject required the utmost caution and circumspection on

the part of Administration in the mode of carrying the Message into effect . Unless his Royal Highness was totally relieved from his embarrassments , the interference of Parliament would be nugatory and inadequate to the purpose . That-the Heir Apparent ought to be freed from all incumbrances , was , he believed , the unanimous opinion of the House ; any regulation short of this would he defective in the most essential article , and the Prince could not be said to possess either comfort , dignity , or splendor , if he were suffered to remain encumbered and embarrassedThe last part of the Messagewhich intimated the

. , adoption of some plan for ' guarding against the possibility of the Prince being involved in any future embarrassment , Would , he hoped , be properly attended . to by Ministers . Too much caution and circumspection could not be exercised , in preventing the establishment of a precedent which might subject'the nation to the liquidation of debts to an unlimited extent . -..-

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