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House Of Commons.

Mr . Bastard spoke at some length against the clause , and reprobated the idea of the Merchants of London applying to Ministers for the purpose of obtaining discount from the Bank . ' O ye mighty , ' said the Hon . Gentleman , ' how are ye fallen 1 ' He advised the merchants , as well as the Bank , to look to their own concerns themselves , and not depend upon the assistance of any government to bolster them up . Their application , if they wanted any assistance , ought to have been made to that House ; he knew of no other legal authority to apply to , nor would he ever consent that the authority of the House should be superseded by

the Ministers of Government . Mr . Dundas contended for the propriety of indemnifying the Bank , from the period when the Order of Council first issued , and not from the time of passing the Act . The Committee having reported upon the necessity of confirming the Order of Council , if the House did not indemnify them back to the time when the Order of Council issued , it would be departing from the spirit of the report . Mr . Whitbrea-d considered that the main question , with regard to indemnifying the Bank in obeying the Order of Council was , whether their conduct was right or wrong in so doing ? Till he had an opportunity of forming a judgment on the propriety of the Bank , he should not vote for indetnnifvin ? them .

Mr . Sheridan thought there was the same propriety in indemnifying the members of the Council as the Bank , and that the latter had no more right than the former to indemnification . He did not see why bankers were not equally entitled to an indemnity against persons abroad insisting on having money . Were merchants and bankers to be left in a situation of either committing an Act of Insolvency , or ' of procuring specie at all risques , in order to answer the demands of their creditors ? With regard to the discount of the Bank , he thought it should be liberal , and he wished they were repaid the debt due from the Public , in order to enable

them to be more so . The Attorney General declared , that of all the measures he had ever been concerned in , he was free to confess the present was the most momentous , and he hoped both sides of the House would determine to treat it with all that temper , coolness , and candour , which its importance deserved . He begged seriously to recommend the House to lay aside all party motives and political differences , or the consequences might be fatal to the interest of the country at large . Mr . W . SmithMr . Pollenand Lord George Cavendish opposed the

Indem-, , nity Clause ; Lord Hawkesbury and the Solicitor-General defended it . The question , on the first clause , was then put , and the same was carried without a division . On the clause , for the Repeal of the Bill during the present Session , beingread from the Chair ,

Sir W . Pulteuey thought the precise time for the repeal of the Bill ought to he fixed . He had no idea of the continuance of the Bill for any length of time . He by no means despaired of the resources of the country ; he knew they were actually great ; and thought that energy alone was wanting to draw them forth with effect . He had no doubt but something effectual might be done in a month , to remove us from our present alarming situation . Mr . Pitt said , that as several Gentlemen had expressed a desire of bringing forward clausesand as they could not conveniently be discussed at that late hourhe

, , thought the most agreeable course of proceeding would be for the Committee toreport progress , and ask leave to s ' t again on Friday ; which was accordingly done . Thursday , 23 . Colonel Stanley moved for leave to bring in a Bill to increase the allowance of debtors in confinement from . id . to 6 d . a day , which was granted . Mr . Fox made his promised motion respecting the state of Ireland . The speech with which he prefaced his motion , was to the following effect : ' The businessSirwhich I am about to bring before the House is onenot only of

, , . , great importance in its nature , but of great urgency in point of time . Sir , in the year 17 S 2 , very great discontents existed in Ireland , and it appeared to me to be indispensably necessary to recognize the complete independence of Ireland . It is not now of importance to consider whether that recognition was a boon or a right . It is not necessary for me to discuss whether it was a right demanded by justice , er a boon required by policy . [ TO BE COSTISUliD nEGL'LARLY . J

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LONDON: Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF MR. HULL. Article 4
AN APOLOGY FOR THE CHARACTER AND CONDUCT OF SHYLOCK. Article 5
OBSERVATIONS ON THE DESTRUCTION OF SENNACHERIB'S ARMY. Article 9
HISTORY OF THE THE ARTS AND SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 12
THE LIFE AND ADVENTURES or PETER PORCUPINE; Article 14
MEMOIRS OF CHARLES MACKLIN, Article 18
A BRIEF SYSTEM OF CONCHOLOGY. Article 26
THE COLLECTOR. Article 30
HUMOROUS ACCOUNT OF VENICE. Article 33
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 34
WHAT IS THE ORDER OF FREEMASONRY? Article 38
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 42
POETRY. Article 50
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 54
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLLAMENT. Article 56
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 59
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 62
INTELLIGENCE FRONT THE LONDON GAZETTES . Article 67
OBIUARY. Article 70
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House Of Commons.

Mr . Bastard spoke at some length against the clause , and reprobated the idea of the Merchants of London applying to Ministers for the purpose of obtaining discount from the Bank . ' O ye mighty , ' said the Hon . Gentleman , ' how are ye fallen 1 ' He advised the merchants , as well as the Bank , to look to their own concerns themselves , and not depend upon the assistance of any government to bolster them up . Their application , if they wanted any assistance , ought to have been made to that House ; he knew of no other legal authority to apply to , nor would he ever consent that the authority of the House should be superseded by

the Ministers of Government . Mr . Dundas contended for the propriety of indemnifying the Bank , from the period when the Order of Council first issued , and not from the time of passing the Act . The Committee having reported upon the necessity of confirming the Order of Council , if the House did not indemnify them back to the time when the Order of Council issued , it would be departing from the spirit of the report . Mr . Whitbrea-d considered that the main question , with regard to indemnifying the Bank in obeying the Order of Council was , whether their conduct was right or wrong in so doing ? Till he had an opportunity of forming a judgment on the propriety of the Bank , he should not vote for indetnnifvin ? them .

Mr . Sheridan thought there was the same propriety in indemnifying the members of the Council as the Bank , and that the latter had no more right than the former to indemnification . He did not see why bankers were not equally entitled to an indemnity against persons abroad insisting on having money . Were merchants and bankers to be left in a situation of either committing an Act of Insolvency , or ' of procuring specie at all risques , in order to answer the demands of their creditors ? With regard to the discount of the Bank , he thought it should be liberal , and he wished they were repaid the debt due from the Public , in order to enable

them to be more so . The Attorney General declared , that of all the measures he had ever been concerned in , he was free to confess the present was the most momentous , and he hoped both sides of the House would determine to treat it with all that temper , coolness , and candour , which its importance deserved . He begged seriously to recommend the House to lay aside all party motives and political differences , or the consequences might be fatal to the interest of the country at large . Mr . W . SmithMr . Pollenand Lord George Cavendish opposed the

Indem-, , nity Clause ; Lord Hawkesbury and the Solicitor-General defended it . The question , on the first clause , was then put , and the same was carried without a division . On the clause , for the Repeal of the Bill during the present Session , beingread from the Chair ,

Sir W . Pulteuey thought the precise time for the repeal of the Bill ought to he fixed . He had no idea of the continuance of the Bill for any length of time . He by no means despaired of the resources of the country ; he knew they were actually great ; and thought that energy alone was wanting to draw them forth with effect . He had no doubt but something effectual might be done in a month , to remove us from our present alarming situation . Mr . Pitt said , that as several Gentlemen had expressed a desire of bringing forward clausesand as they could not conveniently be discussed at that late hourhe

, , thought the most agreeable course of proceeding would be for the Committee toreport progress , and ask leave to s ' t again on Friday ; which was accordingly done . Thursday , 23 . Colonel Stanley moved for leave to bring in a Bill to increase the allowance of debtors in confinement from . id . to 6 d . a day , which was granted . Mr . Fox made his promised motion respecting the state of Ireland . The speech with which he prefaced his motion , was to the following effect : ' The businessSirwhich I am about to bring before the House is onenot only of

, , . , great importance in its nature , but of great urgency in point of time . Sir , in the year 17 S 2 , very great discontents existed in Ireland , and it appeared to me to be indispensably necessary to recognize the complete independence of Ireland . It is not now of importance to consider whether that recognition was a boon or a right . It is not necessary for me to discuss whether it was a right demanded by justice , er a boon required by policy . [ TO BE COSTISUliD nEGL'LARLY . J

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