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House Of Commons.

conveyed a direct censure upon the Chancellor of tlie Exchequer . The division upon this question was—Ayes , 60—Noes , 206—Majority in favour of the Minister , 146 . ' ' ' — Thursday 18 . Mr . St . John rose to make his promised motion . It was a subject of the highest importance , he said , to rescue from the grave the remains of our gallan * army in the pestilential island of St . Domingo ; and the concentration of our army at home was also indispensably necessary , since the Emperor had made

3 peace . It had , indeed , been a folly to attempt the conquest of an Island where they had to oppose 60 , 000 French national guards , 9000 men of colour in arms , and 10 , 000 disciplined negroes . The consequence was such as might have been expected . At the end of 1796 we found ourselves deprived of all the strong holds our troops had taken possession of within ten days from their first arrival . This negative success had been achieved at the expeuce of 5 , 479 , 000 k and up to the 30 th of November last , 7 , 500 men had lost their lives , of whom only 500 had perished by the sword . Two hundred and forty officers had died in the short period of two months . From all these circumstances , he contended , that the House ought to interfere , and desire Ministers to recall the troops . He therefore moved an Address to his Majesty , •praying him to withdraw his troops from St . Domingo . '

Mr . Dundas justified Ministers upon the general ground of its having alwaysbeen the policy of this Country , in time of war , to attend to its Colonial possessions . In the war which ended 1-6 3 , though a system of conquest had been unremittingly pursued , less advantages had been obtained than in the present . Of all the produce of that country , St . Domingo furnished a third , which , at the present rate of West Indian produce , amounted to seven millions annually ; and that produce it was , that was the foundation of the French commerce and marine . The possession of St . Domingo was also an object of importance in another point

of view ; for , if it had remained in the hands of the insurgents , Jamaica would not have been worth one year ' s purchase . Nobody could have foreseen that it would have proved so unhealthy a grave ; and , after all , a much greater mortality had prevailed at the Havannah in the last war . The situation we held was also an object of negociation . Pie should therefore oppose the motion . The House divided on the question . —Against the motion , 116 . —For it , 31 . Friday 19 . The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved' That humble Ad

, an - dress be presented to his Majesty , to . congratulate his Majesty on the happy Nuptial of the Princess Hoyal will ) his Serene Highness the Hereditary Prince of Wirtemberg . '—Carried nem . con . He moved another to the Queen ' ; , and also , ' That a congratulatory Message be sent to the Princess Royal and his Serene ' Highness the Hereditary Prince of 'Wirtemberg . ' —Carried nem , con .

DISMISSAL OV MINISTERS . Mr . Combe wished so momentous a business had fallen into abler hands ; but whatever fate awaited it , he must perform his duty to his Constituents , by whom he was directed to bring it forward . He then passed in review the whole conduct of Ministers since secret influence introduced them into office in 1784 . Their armaments against Spain and Russia , contrary to the cry of the nation ; their war With France ; the various reasons they had successively given for its continuance ; and their weak and equivocal attempt to treat for —from all this

peace he inferred , that their insincerity was evident ; and he contended that their abusive and irritating language against the French , and their frequent declarations that the war was against French principles , made it manifest that they could never conclude an honourable or advantageous peace wiih France . He therefore concluded , bv moving , ' That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty , praying that he will be pleased to dismiss from his Councils his present Ministers , as the . best means of obtaining a speedy and honourable peace . ' This motion was seconded by Sir Milner

W . . Mr . Alderman Curtis was against the motion ,, . and said , his colleague had not quite followed the instructions of his constituents , who directed him to call Ministers weak and wicked . Mr . Alderman Anderson did not think his Majesty's Ministers weak and wicls-?«; but he thought many of their opponents , out " of the House , were wicked indeed ! Mr . Hobhouse endeavoured to shew that the war had originated with this country , and not with France ; . and that the prohibition of the exportation of 'VOL . is ,. XX .

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LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD HELY HUTCHINSON, Article 4
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 6
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 8
OBSERVATIONS ON THE YELLOW FEVER. Article 11
TRAITS OF THE SCOTCH CHARACTER. Article 12
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING. Article 14
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA, Article 16
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 18
ON THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 27
AUTHENTIC PARTICULARS OF THE EVER MEMORABLE DEFEAT OF THE DUTCH FLEET, UNDER THE COMMAND OF ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 30
PLAN OF THE ACTION BETWEEN THE ENGLISH AND DUTCH FLEETS, Article 33
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF ADMIRAL LORD DUNCAN. Article 36
ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 37
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 38
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 41
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 43
POETRY. Article 51
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 55
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 57
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 63
OBITUARY. Article 70
LIST OF BANKRUPTS Article 74
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House Of Commons.

conveyed a direct censure upon the Chancellor of tlie Exchequer . The division upon this question was—Ayes , 60—Noes , 206—Majority in favour of the Minister , 146 . ' ' ' — Thursday 18 . Mr . St . John rose to make his promised motion . It was a subject of the highest importance , he said , to rescue from the grave the remains of our gallan * army in the pestilential island of St . Domingo ; and the concentration of our army at home was also indispensably necessary , since the Emperor had made

3 peace . It had , indeed , been a folly to attempt the conquest of an Island where they had to oppose 60 , 000 French national guards , 9000 men of colour in arms , and 10 , 000 disciplined negroes . The consequence was such as might have been expected . At the end of 1796 we found ourselves deprived of all the strong holds our troops had taken possession of within ten days from their first arrival . This negative success had been achieved at the expeuce of 5 , 479 , 000 k and up to the 30 th of November last , 7 , 500 men had lost their lives , of whom only 500 had perished by the sword . Two hundred and forty officers had died in the short period of two months . From all these circumstances , he contended , that the House ought to interfere , and desire Ministers to recall the troops . He therefore moved an Address to his Majesty , •praying him to withdraw his troops from St . Domingo . '

Mr . Dundas justified Ministers upon the general ground of its having alwaysbeen the policy of this Country , in time of war , to attend to its Colonial possessions . In the war which ended 1-6 3 , though a system of conquest had been unremittingly pursued , less advantages had been obtained than in the present . Of all the produce of that country , St . Domingo furnished a third , which , at the present rate of West Indian produce , amounted to seven millions annually ; and that produce it was , that was the foundation of the French commerce and marine . The possession of St . Domingo was also an object of importance in another point

of view ; for , if it had remained in the hands of the insurgents , Jamaica would not have been worth one year ' s purchase . Nobody could have foreseen that it would have proved so unhealthy a grave ; and , after all , a much greater mortality had prevailed at the Havannah in the last war . The situation we held was also an object of negociation . Pie should therefore oppose the motion . The House divided on the question . —Against the motion , 116 . —For it , 31 . Friday 19 . The Chancellor of the Exchequer moved' That humble Ad

, an - dress be presented to his Majesty , to . congratulate his Majesty on the happy Nuptial of the Princess Hoyal will ) his Serene Highness the Hereditary Prince of Wirtemberg . '—Carried nem . con . He moved another to the Queen ' ; , and also , ' That a congratulatory Message be sent to the Princess Royal and his Serene ' Highness the Hereditary Prince of 'Wirtemberg . ' —Carried nem , con .

DISMISSAL OV MINISTERS . Mr . Combe wished so momentous a business had fallen into abler hands ; but whatever fate awaited it , he must perform his duty to his Constituents , by whom he was directed to bring it forward . He then passed in review the whole conduct of Ministers since secret influence introduced them into office in 1784 . Their armaments against Spain and Russia , contrary to the cry of the nation ; their war With France ; the various reasons they had successively given for its continuance ; and their weak and equivocal attempt to treat for —from all this

peace he inferred , that their insincerity was evident ; and he contended that their abusive and irritating language against the French , and their frequent declarations that the war was against French principles , made it manifest that they could never conclude an honourable or advantageous peace wiih France . He therefore concluded , bv moving , ' That an humble Address be presented to his Majesty , praying that he will be pleased to dismiss from his Councils his present Ministers , as the . best means of obtaining a speedy and honourable peace . ' This motion was seconded by Sir Milner

W . . Mr . Alderman Curtis was against the motion ,, . and said , his colleague had not quite followed the instructions of his constituents , who directed him to call Ministers weak and wicked . Mr . Alderman Anderson did not think his Majesty's Ministers weak and wicls-?«; but he thought many of their opponents , out " of the House , were wicked indeed ! Mr . Hobhouse endeavoured to shew that the war had originated with this country , and not with France ; . and that the prohibition of the exportation of 'VOL . is ,. XX .

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