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House Of Commons.

corn to France , the Alien Bill , and the correspondence of Lord Grenville and M . Chauvelin were tantamount to a declaration of war , and that Ministers had since lost every favourable opportunity of making peace . As a t--st ot that capacity , he said , that they had gone to war to save Holland , and Holland was lost . They had made war for the restoration of Monaichv , and had been compelled to treat ivjih . the very authors of the death of the King . Thev had threatened to march to Paris ; and now were afraid of the safety of this kingdom . Th-.-y had announced the ruin of the French financesand had completed the ruin of our

, own . They had ex ( ended the excise laws ; abridged the ubery of the press ; tongue-tied the people ; and disorganized the navy . Messrs . Curw-. n , . leff .-rvs , Stmt , and M . A . Taylor , supported the motion . Messrs . Bootle , Brandling , . 1 . H . Brown , Pierrepoint , Burden , Dent , Ellis'on , Sir Gilbert Heathcote , Aldeiman Lushingtou , and Mr . Atnvati , opposed it . Ihe House divided on the question . On a division the numbers were---Ayes , 59 ™ Noes , 142 .

REPEAL OF THE TIIEASOK AN'D SEDITION BILLS . Tuesday 23 . Mr . Fox rose to make his promised motion on the Treason and Sedition ' Bills . Of the Treason Bill , called Lord Greiiville ' s , he should only notice two leading features . First , its extending the treason 1- ws , which our wise ancestors were anxious to circumscribe : and , secondly , Ihe extraordinary power it gave to Judges in case of a second convicti n for a libel . If st'ch a law had existed -a century ago , the great Locke 1 . lig ht have been sent to Bouny Hay ; and , if it had been enae ' edat the beguiling ofthe present reign , Mr .

Wilkes , an ornament of the literary world , and active magistrate , and now a stanch supporler of prerogative , would have been transported upon his second conviction . It was said that a law equally barbarous existed 111 Scotland ; but after a full consideration of the subjict ,. he was convinced that this was not the law of Scotland , and he trusted that those who had , without due sanction of the laws , inflicted punishments equivalent to death for the general crime of sedition , would one day meet with a just retr bution . After lamenting the fate of Joseph Geraldwhose had made him fall victim to sentence of this sort

, sensibility a a , Mr . Fox adverted to the ' sfcond bill introduced by Mr . Pitt . This Bill , he asserted , had thrown impediments in the way of petitioning , and had increased the ¦ power of Magistrates , who neter before had been so-ready to refuse to convoke public meetings . One slier . if had refused to call a meeting ' became be -ivas going to town ;'—and another , ' because he -.-.-as afraid of disturbing the peace cf We country ! ' - After pointing out tlie mischiefs that app . arcd fo have resulted from the Convention Bill in Ireland , he observed , that there were times when it was necessary to

enlarge , and not to abridge , the liberties of the people . These times required an unusual union of minds , and the utmost efforts of our strength . Liberty , said he , is order—Liberty is strength . He concluded by moving for leave to bringlin a J 3 ill for the immediate ivp .-al of the acts in question . Serjeant Adair defended the Bills ; ancl said that the state of the country was even more alarming than when they were passed : and Major Eli ' ord said , that but for such measures the country might have been one scene of murder and devastation . Sir R . C . Glynn was of the same opinion , and so were Mr . Pierrepoint , Lord Morpeth , Mr . Elliston , and Mr . Cliolmotideley . After which the House divided —For it , 52—against it , 260—Majority , 20 S .

PAY OI' THE ARMY . Wednesday 24 . The House having formed itself into a Committee of Supply , The Secretary at War , after a preamble of some length , said , that at present he should only trouble the Committee with the pay and allowance of the privates and non-commissioned officers , although estimates had been prepared relative to an increase of pay to subaltern officers . Tlie foot soldier , at present , received in pay and allowances eleven-pence three-farthing -, a day ; viz . six-pence per day subsistence two-pence-fart ' iing for What was called the consolidated

almoney ; lowance ; two allowances for bread and meat , computed at one-penny per day each , and one-peiiiiy-lialfpenny per day beer money . His present propositn . 11 was to give ihe solilier , instead o ! all this , except the last allowance , one shilling per day ; so that , with the beer money , he would receive in all a daily pay of thirteeii-pence- halfpenny . It was also intended 10 add two-pence-halfpenny per

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LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD HELY HUTCHINSON, Article 4
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 6
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 8
OBSERVATIONS ON THE YELLOW FEVER. Article 11
TRAITS OF THE SCOTCH CHARACTER. Article 12
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING. Article 14
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA, Article 16
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 18
ON THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 27
AUTHENTIC PARTICULARS OF THE EVER MEMORABLE DEFEAT OF THE DUTCH FLEET, UNDER THE COMMAND OF ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 30
PLAN OF THE ACTION BETWEEN THE ENGLISH AND DUTCH FLEETS, Article 33
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF ADMIRAL LORD DUNCAN. Article 36
ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 37
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 38
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 41
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 43
POETRY. Article 51
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 55
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 57
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 63
OBITUARY. Article 70
LIST OF BANKRUPTS Article 74
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House Of Commons.

corn to France , the Alien Bill , and the correspondence of Lord Grenville and M . Chauvelin were tantamount to a declaration of war , and that Ministers had since lost every favourable opportunity of making peace . As a t--st ot that capacity , he said , that they had gone to war to save Holland , and Holland was lost . They had made war for the restoration of Monaichv , and had been compelled to treat ivjih . the very authors of the death of the King . Thev had threatened to march to Paris ; and now were afraid of the safety of this kingdom . Th-.-y had announced the ruin of the French financesand had completed the ruin of our

, own . They had ex ( ended the excise laws ; abridged the ubery of the press ; tongue-tied the people ; and disorganized the navy . Messrs . Curw-. n , . leff .-rvs , Stmt , and M . A . Taylor , supported the motion . Messrs . Bootle , Brandling , . 1 . H . Brown , Pierrepoint , Burden , Dent , Ellis'on , Sir Gilbert Heathcote , Aldeiman Lushingtou , and Mr . Atnvati , opposed it . Ihe House divided on the question . On a division the numbers were---Ayes , 59 ™ Noes , 142 .

REPEAL OF THE TIIEASOK AN'D SEDITION BILLS . Tuesday 23 . Mr . Fox rose to make his promised motion on the Treason and Sedition ' Bills . Of the Treason Bill , called Lord Greiiville ' s , he should only notice two leading features . First , its extending the treason 1- ws , which our wise ancestors were anxious to circumscribe : and , secondly , Ihe extraordinary power it gave to Judges in case of a second convicti n for a libel . If st'ch a law had existed -a century ago , the great Locke 1 . lig ht have been sent to Bouny Hay ; and , if it had been enae ' edat the beguiling ofthe present reign , Mr .

Wilkes , an ornament of the literary world , and active magistrate , and now a stanch supporler of prerogative , would have been transported upon his second conviction . It was said that a law equally barbarous existed 111 Scotland ; but after a full consideration of the subjict ,. he was convinced that this was not the law of Scotland , and he trusted that those who had , without due sanction of the laws , inflicted punishments equivalent to death for the general crime of sedition , would one day meet with a just retr bution . After lamenting the fate of Joseph Geraldwhose had made him fall victim to sentence of this sort

, sensibility a a , Mr . Fox adverted to the ' sfcond bill introduced by Mr . Pitt . This Bill , he asserted , had thrown impediments in the way of petitioning , and had increased the ¦ power of Magistrates , who neter before had been so-ready to refuse to convoke public meetings . One slier . if had refused to call a meeting ' became be -ivas going to town ;'—and another , ' because he -.-.-as afraid of disturbing the peace cf We country ! ' - After pointing out tlie mischiefs that app . arcd fo have resulted from the Convention Bill in Ireland , he observed , that there were times when it was necessary to

enlarge , and not to abridge , the liberties of the people . These times required an unusual union of minds , and the utmost efforts of our strength . Liberty , said he , is order—Liberty is strength . He concluded by moving for leave to bringlin a J 3 ill for the immediate ivp .-al of the acts in question . Serjeant Adair defended the Bills ; ancl said that the state of the country was even more alarming than when they were passed : and Major Eli ' ord said , that but for such measures the country might have been one scene of murder and devastation . Sir R . C . Glynn was of the same opinion , and so were Mr . Pierrepoint , Lord Morpeth , Mr . Elliston , and Mr . Cliolmotideley . After which the House divided —For it , 52—against it , 260—Majority , 20 S .

PAY OI' THE ARMY . Wednesday 24 . The House having formed itself into a Committee of Supply , The Secretary at War , after a preamble of some length , said , that at present he should only trouble the Committee with the pay and allowance of the privates and non-commissioned officers , although estimates had been prepared relative to an increase of pay to subaltern officers . Tlie foot soldier , at present , received in pay and allowances eleven-pence three-farthing -, a day ; viz . six-pence per day subsistence two-pence-fart ' iing for What was called the consolidated

almoney ; lowance ; two allowances for bread and meat , computed at one-penny per day each , and one-peiiiiy-lialfpenny per day beer money . His present propositn . 11 was to give ihe solilier , instead o ! all this , except the last allowance , one shilling per day ; so that , with the beer money , he would receive in all a daily pay of thirteeii-pence- halfpenny . It was also intended 10 add two-pence-halfpenny per

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