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House Of Commons.

day to the pav of corporals , and three-pence to that of Serjeants . Mr . Windham concluded by moving , ' That a sum not exceeding 224 , 000 ! . he granted to his Majesty , for the purpose of defraying the expellees to be occasioned by anTnerease in the pav of the non-commissioned officers and privates of the army , for 214 days , commencing the 25 th of May , and concluding the 24 th day of December . ' Mr . W Smith submitted to the consideration ofthe House a direct official communication made to the Guards on Monday se ' ennight in the following words : ' Brigade of Guards , May 14 , 1797 . The non-commissioned officers will explain it is at

to the men , that in consequence oi their uniform good conduct , present under consideration , at the particular recommendation of his Roval Highness the Duke of York , to make their condition more comfortable than it has hitherto been ; aud ihat of the non-commissionerl officers will be diilv attended to at the same time . ' This he thought a measure of the most dangerous tendency , and a question of the highest constiuitional importance . When coupled with the cantoning-of the troops in barracks , nothing could look more like arbitrary power . It seemed to teach the troops to took for every favour 10 Ministers , and to consider

Parliament merely as the instrument . General Tarleion repeated r . fr . Smith's opinion , and observed , that 1 , 300 , 000 ! . had been spent in erecting barracks before any information was given to the House , The resolutions were then put and agreed to .

MANIFESTO OF THE SEAMEN . Friday 26 . Mr . Sheridan declared , that he was satisfied the Manifesto of the Seamen was a gross misrepresentation of their sentiments . 7 here was , indeed , internal evidence that it was not the composition of the honest tar , the whole production savouring much more of the circulating library than of pitch and tar . This libel stated , that notwithstanding his Majesty ' s pardon , it was , the intention of Ministers to punish those who had stood most forward iii the mutiny , and that virtuous individuals were 10 be sacrificed to the ambition of tyrants .

When such language was held , it was incumbent on Ministers to repel the foul insinuation . Though no friend to their general conduct , he was convinced that , on the present occasion , they were unfairly accused . In bringing this matter forward , he was not swayed by personal considerations , being perfectly unmoved b )' the abuse lavished on him in the manifesto . He had always been the friend of the sai : ors , and , till 'hey became the victims of delusion , their conduct richly merited every encouragement . Some of them had even been made to believe they could do without commanders .. As well might they attempt to steer without

a rudder , or to perform a voyage > vith their masts and rigging cut down , and lying on the deck . Being com inced that the Ministers wished , as much as he did , to prove the calumnies contained in the manifesto false , he should decline making any motion , and leave the furtlu-r task to them . Mr . Pitt acknowledged the fairness and candour of Mr . Sheridan ' s proposition ; denied that Ministers had ever entertained an idea of degrading themselves and their countrv , by violating a solemn act of oblivion ; and declared , that . those tvho had availed themselves of ihe amnesty might depend upon good faith ; but as to the refractory , he dreaded to reflect on the consequences of their obstinacy . More than this he would not say .

PAtVLlAMEHTAUY Hl'FOIlM . Mr . Grey rose to make his promised motion for a reform in the- Commons House of Parliament . He appealed 10 the House whether , when discussing the same subject on former occasions , he had ever grounded his arguments on natural and imprescriptable rights , and whether he had ever endeiu oured to invalidate the theoritical advantages ofthe Constitution , further than he was warran ' cd to do , in exposing its practical defects . He declared that he shnuld ever cnntinue averse to universal suffrage , till its advnrates should convince him thai it would

really produc . the adtairages with which they flattered themselves . He asked whether the House of Commons were no' in-ant to be a check t . tpon the Executive Government , to have a true and efficient controu ! over the public purse , and to be the guardians of the rights and privileges cf the people ? K e then proceeded to ask how far it had fulfilled i's duty- —instanced the inicoritronl ' ed profusion and mismanage' .-.: cut o ! the American war , and reminded the House that the present Minister had himself asserted that such evils could not be prevented , & or could any security be obtained for the people , without a radical reform , in

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LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD HELY HUTCHINSON, Article 4
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 6
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 8
OBSERVATIONS ON THE YELLOW FEVER. Article 11
TRAITS OF THE SCOTCH CHARACTER. Article 12
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING. Article 14
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA, Article 16
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 18
ON THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 27
AUTHENTIC PARTICULARS OF THE EVER MEMORABLE DEFEAT OF THE DUTCH FLEET, UNDER THE COMMAND OF ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 30
PLAN OF THE ACTION BETWEEN THE ENGLISH AND DUTCH FLEETS, Article 33
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF ADMIRAL LORD DUNCAN. Article 36
ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 37
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 38
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 41
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 43
POETRY. Article 51
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 55
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 57
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 63
OBITUARY. Article 70
LIST OF BANKRUPTS Article 74
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House Of Commons.

day to the pav of corporals , and three-pence to that of Serjeants . Mr . Windham concluded by moving , ' That a sum not exceeding 224 , 000 ! . he granted to his Majesty , for the purpose of defraying the expellees to be occasioned by anTnerease in the pav of the non-commissioned officers and privates of the army , for 214 days , commencing the 25 th of May , and concluding the 24 th day of December . ' Mr . W Smith submitted to the consideration ofthe House a direct official communication made to the Guards on Monday se ' ennight in the following words : ' Brigade of Guards , May 14 , 1797 . The non-commissioned officers will explain it is at

to the men , that in consequence oi their uniform good conduct , present under consideration , at the particular recommendation of his Roval Highness the Duke of York , to make their condition more comfortable than it has hitherto been ; aud ihat of the non-commissionerl officers will be diilv attended to at the same time . ' This he thought a measure of the most dangerous tendency , and a question of the highest constiuitional importance . When coupled with the cantoning-of the troops in barracks , nothing could look more like arbitrary power . It seemed to teach the troops to took for every favour 10 Ministers , and to consider

Parliament merely as the instrument . General Tarleion repeated r . fr . Smith's opinion , and observed , that 1 , 300 , 000 ! . had been spent in erecting barracks before any information was given to the House , The resolutions were then put and agreed to .

MANIFESTO OF THE SEAMEN . Friday 26 . Mr . Sheridan declared , that he was satisfied the Manifesto of the Seamen was a gross misrepresentation of their sentiments . 7 here was , indeed , internal evidence that it was not the composition of the honest tar , the whole production savouring much more of the circulating library than of pitch and tar . This libel stated , that notwithstanding his Majesty ' s pardon , it was , the intention of Ministers to punish those who had stood most forward iii the mutiny , and that virtuous individuals were 10 be sacrificed to the ambition of tyrants .

When such language was held , it was incumbent on Ministers to repel the foul insinuation . Though no friend to their general conduct , he was convinced that , on the present occasion , they were unfairly accused . In bringing this matter forward , he was not swayed by personal considerations , being perfectly unmoved b )' the abuse lavished on him in the manifesto . He had always been the friend of the sai : ors , and , till 'hey became the victims of delusion , their conduct richly merited every encouragement . Some of them had even been made to believe they could do without commanders .. As well might they attempt to steer without

a rudder , or to perform a voyage > vith their masts and rigging cut down , and lying on the deck . Being com inced that the Ministers wished , as much as he did , to prove the calumnies contained in the manifesto false , he should decline making any motion , and leave the furtlu-r task to them . Mr . Pitt acknowledged the fairness and candour of Mr . Sheridan ' s proposition ; denied that Ministers had ever entertained an idea of degrading themselves and their countrv , by violating a solemn act of oblivion ; and declared , that . those tvho had availed themselves of ihe amnesty might depend upon good faith ; but as to the refractory , he dreaded to reflect on the consequences of their obstinacy . More than this he would not say .

PAtVLlAMEHTAUY Hl'FOIlM . Mr . Grey rose to make his promised motion for a reform in the- Commons House of Parliament . He appealed 10 the House whether , when discussing the same subject on former occasions , he had ever grounded his arguments on natural and imprescriptable rights , and whether he had ever endeiu oured to invalidate the theoritical advantages ofthe Constitution , further than he was warran ' cd to do , in exposing its practical defects . He declared that he shnuld ever cnntinue averse to universal suffrage , till its advnrates should convince him thai it would

really produc . the adtairages with which they flattered themselves . He asked whether the House of Commons were no' in-ant to be a check t . tpon the Executive Government , to have a true and efficient controu ! over the public purse , and to be the guardians of the rights and privileges cf the people ? K e then proceeded to ask how far it had fulfilled i's duty- —instanced the inicoritronl ' ed profusion and mismanage' .-.: cut o ! the American war , and reminded the House that the present Minister had himself asserted that such evils could not be prevented , & or could any security be obtained for the people , without a radical reform , in

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