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House Of Commons.

Parliament : yet that Honourable Gentleman had now brought the country into a far more calamitous situation than we were in the American war ; and though disaster and disgrace had attended him , still was the House of Commons more confiding than before . The most decided majorities had sanctioned all his measures , aud those of his colleagues , and over-ruled every motion for enquiry . He expressed his opinion , that if the proposition he made on the same subject five years ago had been adopted , all our present calamities , the war , the stoppage of the Bank , and the lamentable state of the sister kingdom , would have been

prevented . Then , declaring that it was his object to effect a full , fair , and free representation of the people , at the same time that he reverenced the Constitution of King , Lords , and Commons , he proceeded to state the outline of his plan . In the county representation , he only proposed to increase the number of Members from ninety-two to a hundred aud thirteen , and to make some alteration in the mode of returning county Members . For that purpose , said Mr . Grey , I would have each county or riding divided into so many districts ; in each of which a poll should be taken on the same day and hour , by a proper officer appointed by the

Sheriff , and as soon as the same was ended , that the proceedings at each poll should be immediately transmitted under seal to the sheriff , " from which state of the several polls he should make his return . I would further propose , Sir , that to the freeholders already entitled to a vote at county elections all the copyholders should be added ; and if it should be agreeable to the House , I would further recommend that lease-holders above a certain rent , anti holdingfora longer time than a specified term of years , should also be entitled to vote . The rfext alterationSirwhich I shall take the liberty to proposeis with regard to the

re-, , , maining four hundred , and those I would wish and recommend should be elected by a certain description of persons only , resident householders paying taxes . Iii order , still further , to promote and forward the object intended by this plan o ' f reform in Parliament , 1 would propose , with a view to saving expences at elections , that the poll shovild be taken in the several parishes of the town or city for which the . election is to be held at the same hour , ou the same day . These

points agreed to , he should then propose to make Parliaments triennial . Mr . Grey concluded by declaring , that on every occasion he thought important , he should continue to give his-vote ; but that finding his efforts unavailing , and that they were only returned by a degree of insult and obloquy to which he could not submit , he informed the House , that after that ni ght he should trouble them no more ¦ with bis attendance or observations . He then moved , ' TJiat leave be given to bring ill a Bill to improve and amend the Representation ofthe People in the House of Commons . '

Mr . Erskine seconded the motion . He considered what his Honourable Friend had proposed as ofthe highest consequence to the welfare and happiness of the people , and commended him for putting out of the question all abstract theories of natural right , and resting the merit of his proposition upon the good it was calculated to . produce . He regretted that at the Revolution enough had not been done to secure a pure representation ofthe people . At that period the duration of Parliaments was first lengthened , and from that time the representation had been growing worse . This position Mr . Erskine strengthened badducing the

y opinions of SirW . Blackstone , Lord Camden , Sir George Saville , and the Earl of Chatham : nay , even Mr . Pitt himself was once of the same opinion . He owned that the present did not appear like an ordinary period . One day was not like another day . Protentous events followed each other so fast , that our not having more than a day to live undera regular government was lo be dreaded . ( A cry of hear ! order ! order !) He contended that to avoid riots and disorders at elections , they should be parochial ; remarked , that the enemies of reform would never want a reason to prove all times unseasonable ; attributed the astonishing successes of

the French to the feebleness of the governments they had contended with ; asserted , that the adoption of the present measure would make men love the constitution ; and concluded by saying , that the proposition he had the honour to second would erect such a stancfard as had never been raised in that House ; a standard , round which all honest men would rally ; and which would protect the rights and happiness of the . people . E £ ItECIttAIttr C 0 NTIXt ,-5 , D . J

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LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE RICHARD HELY HUTCHINSON, Article 4
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 6
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 8
OBSERVATIONS ON THE YELLOW FEVER. Article 11
TRAITS OF THE SCOTCH CHARACTER. Article 12
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING. Article 14
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA, Article 16
HISTORY OF THE SCIENCES FOR 1797. Article 18
ON THE PRESENT STATE OF THE ROYAL SOCIETY. Article 20
THE COLLECTOR. Article 22
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 27
AUTHENTIC PARTICULARS OF THE EVER MEMORABLE DEFEAT OF THE DUTCH FLEET, UNDER THE COMMAND OF ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 30
PLAN OF THE ACTION BETWEEN THE ENGLISH AND DUTCH FLEETS, Article 33
BIOGRAPHICAL SKETCH OF ADMIRAL LORD DUNCAN. Article 36
ADMIRAL DE WINTER, Article 37
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 38
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 41
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 43
POETRY. Article 51
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 55
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 57
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 63
OBITUARY. Article 70
LIST OF BANKRUPTS Article 74
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House Of Commons.

Parliament : yet that Honourable Gentleman had now brought the country into a far more calamitous situation than we were in the American war ; and though disaster and disgrace had attended him , still was the House of Commons more confiding than before . The most decided majorities had sanctioned all his measures , aud those of his colleagues , and over-ruled every motion for enquiry . He expressed his opinion , that if the proposition he made on the same subject five years ago had been adopted , all our present calamities , the war , the stoppage of the Bank , and the lamentable state of the sister kingdom , would have been

prevented . Then , declaring that it was his object to effect a full , fair , and free representation of the people , at the same time that he reverenced the Constitution of King , Lords , and Commons , he proceeded to state the outline of his plan . In the county representation , he only proposed to increase the number of Members from ninety-two to a hundred aud thirteen , and to make some alteration in the mode of returning county Members . For that purpose , said Mr . Grey , I would have each county or riding divided into so many districts ; in each of which a poll should be taken on the same day and hour , by a proper officer appointed by the

Sheriff , and as soon as the same was ended , that the proceedings at each poll should be immediately transmitted under seal to the sheriff , " from which state of the several polls he should make his return . I would further propose , Sir , that to the freeholders already entitled to a vote at county elections all the copyholders should be added ; and if it should be agreeable to the House , I would further recommend that lease-holders above a certain rent , anti holdingfora longer time than a specified term of years , should also be entitled to vote . The rfext alterationSirwhich I shall take the liberty to proposeis with regard to the

re-, , , maining four hundred , and those I would wish and recommend should be elected by a certain description of persons only , resident householders paying taxes . Iii order , still further , to promote and forward the object intended by this plan o ' f reform in Parliament , 1 would propose , with a view to saving expences at elections , that the poll shovild be taken in the several parishes of the town or city for which the . election is to be held at the same hour , ou the same day . These

points agreed to , he should then propose to make Parliaments triennial . Mr . Grey concluded by declaring , that on every occasion he thought important , he should continue to give his-vote ; but that finding his efforts unavailing , and that they were only returned by a degree of insult and obloquy to which he could not submit , he informed the House , that after that ni ght he should trouble them no more ¦ with bis attendance or observations . He then moved , ' TJiat leave be given to bring ill a Bill to improve and amend the Representation ofthe People in the House of Commons . '

Mr . Erskine seconded the motion . He considered what his Honourable Friend had proposed as ofthe highest consequence to the welfare and happiness of the people , and commended him for putting out of the question all abstract theories of natural right , and resting the merit of his proposition upon the good it was calculated to . produce . He regretted that at the Revolution enough had not been done to secure a pure representation ofthe people . At that period the duration of Parliaments was first lengthened , and from that time the representation had been growing worse . This position Mr . Erskine strengthened badducing the

y opinions of SirW . Blackstone , Lord Camden , Sir George Saville , and the Earl of Chatham : nay , even Mr . Pitt himself was once of the same opinion . He owned that the present did not appear like an ordinary period . One day was not like another day . Protentous events followed each other so fast , that our not having more than a day to live undera regular government was lo be dreaded . ( A cry of hear ! order ! order !) He contended that to avoid riots and disorders at elections , they should be parochial ; remarked , that the enemies of reform would never want a reason to prove all times unseasonable ; attributed the astonishing successes of

the French to the feebleness of the governments they had contended with ; asserted , that the adoption of the present measure would make men love the constitution ; and concluded by saying , that the proposition he had the honour to second would erect such a stancfard as had never been raised in that House ; a standard , round which all honest men would rally ; and which would protect the rights and happiness of the . people . E £ ItECIttAIttr C 0 NTIXt ,-5 , D . J

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