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it in one article , was more likely to attain this desirable object . The French Minister again repeated , that their first wish was , that the Treaty we were now making should be clear , distinct , solid , and lasting , and such a one 3 s could not , at any future period , be broken through without a manifest violation of good . faith . And I again repeated , that nothing could be so consonant to my orders , or the intentions of my Royal Master . ' One ofthe French Plenipotentiaries was disposed to dwell on his objections , which were , that these Treaties were signed when France was a Monarchy , and

that any retrospect to those times implied a sort of censure on their present form of Government ; but this was arguing on such a weak ground , and so incapable of being seriously maintained , that I , to avoid superfluous contradiction , was very willing to let it pass unnoticed . After a good deal of very conciliatory , and even amicable discussion , in which , however , neither party gave much way to the other , it was proposed by them that we should return home , to meet again as soon as convenient after an attentive and deliberate perusal of the Treaties , in order to state respectively our ideas on this subject . 1 observed , that although 1 was perfectly

prepared to do it at the moment , and felt almost bold enough to affirm , that no ' measure could be devised ivhich would so completely meet our intentions as an unreserved renewal of the Treaties they hesitated about , yet I was very willing to acquiesce in their proposal , with this simple observation , that if any delay arose from it , such delay was imputable to them and not to me . My words were , " Je lie me rends pas responsable des'longuers dans lesqu'elles cette discussion pourrait nous entrainer . " The French Minister ' s answer was , " Si des longuers servent a determiner des objets qui pourraient donner lieu a dez querreiles a I ' avenir , ce sera du terns bien employe . " It was not my wish to contest this assertion , and out conference ended with it . '

No . 19 . Contains also extracts of a dispatch from Lord Malmesbury to Lord Grenville , d ^ tedLisle , July 17 , 1797 , to the following effect : ' Yesterday at the moment I was preparing to attend the conference , in which we were to enter into fuller discussions on the litigated subject of the renewal of ' the treaties mentioned in the second article of the Projet , I received from the French Legation the enclosed paper ( A ) : in about an hour 1 returned the enclosed answer ( B ) , to which I received the enclosed reply ( C ) ; and lam this moment come from the conference which has taken place in consequence of it .

' I began by saying , that I had solicited this interview from the same motive which would actuate every part of my conduct ; that I wished to make my reports not only correct but conciliatory , as far as depended on me , and I now was come in order , if possible , to obtain from them such comments and explanations on ihe note they sent to me yesterday , as would enable me , when I transmitted to my Court , to secure the Negociation from being interrupted , perhaps abruptly terminated , by the perusal of it . If I understood it right , it meant that ihe Directory requires as a sine qua non preliminary , that every thing the King has conquered from all and each of his enemies should be restored , and that till this restoration

was consented to , the Negociation was not even to begin . I said , if I was correct in this statement , and the plain sense of the declaration would bear no other interpretation , I must add , that it would not only most certainly prevent the Treaty from beginning , but it would leave no room for treating at all , since it deprived his Majesty of every means of negociation ; for I could not suppose that it was in their thoughts to intimate that the principle ofthe Treaty , as far as it related to his Majesty , was to be one of all cession and no compensation , and yet that was precisely the position in which his Majesty was placed by their note .

'One ofthe French Plenipotentiaries , who had let me proceed rather reluctantly , here stopt me , and said , that he and his colleagues were exceedingly happy that I had expressed a wish to see them before ! dispatched my Messenger ; that they wished to assure me that they had thought it dealing fairly and honourablv , to state what they had received from the Diretcory in the very words in which it came to them : that they should be sorry if the declaration they had been directed to make me should be of a nature to interrupt , much less to break off , the Negociation : that it was the sincere wish of the Directory that the Negocia-

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Untitled Article 2
LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE REV. WILLIAM ROMAINE, A. M. Article 4
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 7
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 10
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 13
THE COLLECTOR. Article 15
COMPARISON BETWEEN THE ANTIENTS AND MODERNS IN SCIENCE AND LITERATURE. Article 18
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 20
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING Article 25
ON FAMILY GOVERNMENT. Article 26
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 27
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 30
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 34
POETRY. Article 40
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 44
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 48
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 49
SECOND SESSION OF THE EIGHTEENTH PARLIAMENT. Article 54
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 70
OBITUARY. Article 79
LIST OF BANKRUPTS. Article 81
INDEX TO THE NINTH VOLUME. Article 83
Untitled Article 86
LONDON: Article 86
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 87
ACCOUNT OF THE BIRTH-PLACE AND MONUMENT OF BUCHANAN. Article 90
VOLTAIRE. Article 92
SINGULAR WILL. Article 92
ON THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE DUTCH REPUBLIC. Article 94
THE LIFE AND ADVENTURES OF PETER PORCUPINE; Article 101
THE SAD EFFECTS OF A FAUX PAS. Article 108
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA. Article 110
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 114
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 116
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 117
CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF THE MOST REMARKABLE OCCURRENCES IN THE YEAR 1797. Article 137
Untitled Article 157
LIST OF BANKRUPTS . Article 159
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Monthly Chronicle.

it in one article , was more likely to attain this desirable object . The French Minister again repeated , that their first wish was , that the Treaty we were now making should be clear , distinct , solid , and lasting , and such a one 3 s could not , at any future period , be broken through without a manifest violation of good . faith . And I again repeated , that nothing could be so consonant to my orders , or the intentions of my Royal Master . ' One ofthe French Plenipotentiaries was disposed to dwell on his objections , which were , that these Treaties were signed when France was a Monarchy , and

that any retrospect to those times implied a sort of censure on their present form of Government ; but this was arguing on such a weak ground , and so incapable of being seriously maintained , that I , to avoid superfluous contradiction , was very willing to let it pass unnoticed . After a good deal of very conciliatory , and even amicable discussion , in which , however , neither party gave much way to the other , it was proposed by them that we should return home , to meet again as soon as convenient after an attentive and deliberate perusal of the Treaties , in order to state respectively our ideas on this subject . 1 observed , that although 1 was perfectly

prepared to do it at the moment , and felt almost bold enough to affirm , that no ' measure could be devised ivhich would so completely meet our intentions as an unreserved renewal of the Treaties they hesitated about , yet I was very willing to acquiesce in their proposal , with this simple observation , that if any delay arose from it , such delay was imputable to them and not to me . My words were , " Je lie me rends pas responsable des'longuers dans lesqu'elles cette discussion pourrait nous entrainer . " The French Minister ' s answer was , " Si des longuers servent a determiner des objets qui pourraient donner lieu a dez querreiles a I ' avenir , ce sera du terns bien employe . " It was not my wish to contest this assertion , and out conference ended with it . '

No . 19 . Contains also extracts of a dispatch from Lord Malmesbury to Lord Grenville , d ^ tedLisle , July 17 , 1797 , to the following effect : ' Yesterday at the moment I was preparing to attend the conference , in which we were to enter into fuller discussions on the litigated subject of the renewal of ' the treaties mentioned in the second article of the Projet , I received from the French Legation the enclosed paper ( A ) : in about an hour 1 returned the enclosed answer ( B ) , to which I received the enclosed reply ( C ) ; and lam this moment come from the conference which has taken place in consequence of it .

' I began by saying , that I had solicited this interview from the same motive which would actuate every part of my conduct ; that I wished to make my reports not only correct but conciliatory , as far as depended on me , and I now was come in order , if possible , to obtain from them such comments and explanations on ihe note they sent to me yesterday , as would enable me , when I transmitted to my Court , to secure the Negociation from being interrupted , perhaps abruptly terminated , by the perusal of it . If I understood it right , it meant that ihe Directory requires as a sine qua non preliminary , that every thing the King has conquered from all and each of his enemies should be restored , and that till this restoration

was consented to , the Negociation was not even to begin . I said , if I was correct in this statement , and the plain sense of the declaration would bear no other interpretation , I must add , that it would not only most certainly prevent the Treaty from beginning , but it would leave no room for treating at all , since it deprived his Majesty of every means of negociation ; for I could not suppose that it was in their thoughts to intimate that the principle ofthe Treaty , as far as it related to his Majesty , was to be one of all cession and no compensation , and yet that was precisely the position in which his Majesty was placed by their note .

'One ofthe French Plenipotentiaries , who had let me proceed rather reluctantly , here stopt me , and said , that he and his colleagues were exceedingly happy that I had expressed a wish to see them before ! dispatched my Messenger ; that they wished to assure me that they had thought it dealing fairly and honourablv , to state what they had received from the Diretcory in the very words in which it came to them : that they should be sorry if the declaration they had been directed to make me should be of a nature to interrupt , much less to break off , the Negociation : that it was the sincere wish of the Directory that the Negocia-

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