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Monthly Chronicle.

took up my arguments on the precise groundsset forth inyour Lordship ' s No . 19 , I neither omitted any thing , nor inserted any thing of my own , which , could at ali alter its spirit ; and I only varied from the letter inasmuch as was necessary to make it applicable to a conference . ' My first object was to state , in as forcible a way as possible , the utter inadmissibility ofthe pretension set forth in the note , the frivolous and illusory reasons alledged for bringing if forward ; and I observed that , if it was persevered in , it must lead to this necessary conclusion , that there did exist when it was framed oft

an intention on the partof the Directory to break * the Negociation in the outset . My second object in point of reasoning , though a very primary one in point of importance , was either to prevent the Negociation breaking off at all , or if this was not to be prevented , to endeavour to be so clear and explicit in my language , and to draw the line so distinctly between such sacrifices as his Majesty might be inclined to make in order to restore so great a blessing as peace , and those to which the digaity of his Crown and interest of his Subjects would never allow him to attendas to make it impossible that by future cavil or subterfuge the

in-, any terruption ofthe Treaty , if unfortunately it should be interrupted , could be imputed to any other cause than the exorbitant demands of the French Government ; and the better to insure this purpose , 1 explained to them that his Majesty having already in a detailed Projet stated freely and fully his conditions , and these conditions having been at once rejected by a sweeping claim on the part of the French Government , it was not fitting or reasonable , neither could il be

expected , that any new proposals should originate with his Majesty : and that on every ground the King had a right to expect a Conlre-Projet from them , stating at once , plainly and svithout reserve , the whole of what they had to ask , instead of bringing forward separate points , one after another , directly contrary to the principle on which we had agreed to begin the Negociation , and ' which , from their being insolated , could only tend to protract and impede its . progress . On the first point , on the inadmissibility of the preliminary conditions as proposed by the French Government , one ofthe French Plenipotentiaries said , it was

impossible for them to do more than to take it for reference , that the instructions they had received when the Directory sent them Ihe note , were precise and positive , and that they had received none since . He had , therefore , on that point simply to request of me , that I would state in writing the several grounds on which his Majesty rejected this proposition , in order that the report transmitted by them to the Directory might be correct ; and he assured me , that ii I did not think it proper to put in writing all the arguments I had used to them in the conference , they would have no scruple of employing those 1 omitted in such way as was the best calculated to give them weight , and to use the French Minister's own expression , to place the Negociation once more on its legs . ' In regard to the second point , he had no hesitation in agreeing with me , that the best method , and indeed the only one , which could accelerate the whole of

the business , was for them to give in a Contre-Projet ; neither did he attempt to disprove our perfect right to expect one from them before we made any new proposals . But he said , that it was not necessarv for him to observe , that as long as they were bound by their instructions not to give way on the propositions ! had now so decidedly rejected , that it was impossible for them to move a s'ep without new orders from the Directory ; that they would ask for these orders immediately , and lose no time in acquainting me when they were received . ' I observed , that in our last conference he had h . timaled ' 0 me they were emto lo lanation with

powered come some exp me upon the subject of Compensation to be made to his Majesty for the great cessions he was dispo . ed to make ; that at the time . I conceived these explanations were of a nature 10 qualify ihe wide claim stated in the note ; and that if / had abstained from pressing him further at the moment , it was from perceiving a reluctance on their pa . t to bring them for-, ward : —That , however , if they really had such proposals to make me , and if they were of a nature to meet in substance and effect ihe basis laid down in the Projet I had given , I should be well disposed to listen to them ., * One ofthe French Ministers , after some hesitati n and a sort of silent reference to one of his colleagues , said , he thought , as matters now stood , it would be much

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Untitled Article 1
Untitled Article 2
LONDON. Article 2
TO CORRESPONDENTS, &c. Article 3
MEMOIR OF THE REV. WILLIAM ROMAINE, A. M. Article 4
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 7
LIFE OF MR. GARRICK. Article 10
ON THE INFELICITIES OF THE LEARNED. Article 13
THE COLLECTOR. Article 15
COMPARISON BETWEEN THE ANTIENTS AND MODERNS IN SCIENCE AND LITERATURE. Article 18
ON THE INFLUENCE OF GOVERNMENT ON THE MENTAL FACULTIES. Article 20
OBSERVATIONS ON THE ENGLISH STYLE OF WRITING Article 25
ON FAMILY GOVERNMENT. Article 26
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 27
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 30
REVIEW OF NEW PUBLICATIONS. Article 34
POETRY. Article 40
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 44
REPORT OF THE PROCEEDINGS OF THE BRITISH PARLIAMENT. Article 48
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 49
SECOND SESSION OF THE EIGHTEENTH PARLIAMENT. Article 54
HOUSE OF COMMONS. Article 58
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 70
OBITUARY. Article 79
LIST OF BANKRUPTS. Article 81
INDEX TO THE NINTH VOLUME. Article 83
Untitled Article 86
LONDON: Article 86
A REVIEW OF THE LIFE AND WRITINGS OF THE RIGHT HONOURABLE EDMUND BURKE. Article 87
ACCOUNT OF THE BIRTH-PLACE AND MONUMENT OF BUCHANAN. Article 90
VOLTAIRE. Article 92
SINGULAR WILL. Article 92
ON THE DECLINE AND FALL OF THE DUTCH REPUBLIC. Article 94
THE LIFE AND ADVENTURES OF PETER PORCUPINE; Article 101
THE SAD EFFECTS OF A FAUX PAS. Article 108
THE CHANGE OF CLIMATE IN THE MIDDLE COLONIES OF NORTH-AMERICA. Article 110
THE FREEMASONS' REPOSITORY. Article 114
MASONIC INTELLIGENCE. Article 116
MONTHLY CHRONICLE. Article 117
CHRONOLOGICAL LIST OF THE MOST REMARKABLE OCCURRENCES IN THE YEAR 1797. Article 137
Untitled Article 157
LIST OF BANKRUPTS . Article 159
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Monthly Chronicle.

took up my arguments on the precise groundsset forth inyour Lordship ' s No . 19 , I neither omitted any thing , nor inserted any thing of my own , which , could at ali alter its spirit ; and I only varied from the letter inasmuch as was necessary to make it applicable to a conference . ' My first object was to state , in as forcible a way as possible , the utter inadmissibility ofthe pretension set forth in the note , the frivolous and illusory reasons alledged for bringing if forward ; and I observed that , if it was persevered in , it must lead to this necessary conclusion , that there did exist when it was framed oft

an intention on the partof the Directory to break * the Negociation in the outset . My second object in point of reasoning , though a very primary one in point of importance , was either to prevent the Negociation breaking off at all , or if this was not to be prevented , to endeavour to be so clear and explicit in my language , and to draw the line so distinctly between such sacrifices as his Majesty might be inclined to make in order to restore so great a blessing as peace , and those to which the digaity of his Crown and interest of his Subjects would never allow him to attendas to make it impossible that by future cavil or subterfuge the

in-, any terruption ofthe Treaty , if unfortunately it should be interrupted , could be imputed to any other cause than the exorbitant demands of the French Government ; and the better to insure this purpose , 1 explained to them that his Majesty having already in a detailed Projet stated freely and fully his conditions , and these conditions having been at once rejected by a sweeping claim on the part of the French Government , it was not fitting or reasonable , neither could il be

expected , that any new proposals should originate with his Majesty : and that on every ground the King had a right to expect a Conlre-Projet from them , stating at once , plainly and svithout reserve , the whole of what they had to ask , instead of bringing forward separate points , one after another , directly contrary to the principle on which we had agreed to begin the Negociation , and ' which , from their being insolated , could only tend to protract and impede its . progress . On the first point , on the inadmissibility of the preliminary conditions as proposed by the French Government , one ofthe French Plenipotentiaries said , it was

impossible for them to do more than to take it for reference , that the instructions they had received when the Directory sent them Ihe note , were precise and positive , and that they had received none since . He had , therefore , on that point simply to request of me , that I would state in writing the several grounds on which his Majesty rejected this proposition , in order that the report transmitted by them to the Directory might be correct ; and he assured me , that ii I did not think it proper to put in writing all the arguments I had used to them in the conference , they would have no scruple of employing those 1 omitted in such way as was the best calculated to give them weight , and to use the French Minister's own expression , to place the Negociation once more on its legs . ' In regard to the second point , he had no hesitation in agreeing with me , that the best method , and indeed the only one , which could accelerate the whole of

the business , was for them to give in a Contre-Projet ; neither did he attempt to disprove our perfect right to expect one from them before we made any new proposals . But he said , that it was not necessarv for him to observe , that as long as they were bound by their instructions not to give way on the propositions ! had now so decidedly rejected , that it was impossible for them to move a s'ep without new orders from the Directory ; that they would ask for these orders immediately , and lose no time in acquainting me when they were received . ' I observed , that in our last conference he had h . timaled ' 0 me they were emto lo lanation with

powered come some exp me upon the subject of Compensation to be made to his Majesty for the great cessions he was dispo . ed to make ; that at the time . I conceived these explanations were of a nature 10 qualify ihe wide claim stated in the note ; and that if / had abstained from pressing him further at the moment , it was from perceiving a reluctance on their pa . t to bring them for-, ward : —That , however , if they really had such proposals to make me , and if they were of a nature to meet in substance and effect ihe basis laid down in the Projet I had given , I should be well disposed to listen to them ., * One ofthe French Ministers , after some hesitati n and a sort of silent reference to one of his colleagues , said , he thought , as matters now stood , it would be much

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