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bv virtue of which the third secretaryship had been abolished in 1783 . He gave the history of its revival in 1795 , and contended that it was nothing more than an arrangement between the ins and the oms . The Home and the WaiDepartment were divided , the noble Duke now at the head ofthe former being supposed incapable to manage the war , though aided by a Commander in Chief , who , he must say , albeit unaccustomed to compliment Princes , was equally able and industrious . At the head of ; he Ordnance was Marquis Cormvallis , who was equal to any charge ; and near the Right Hon . Gentleman was the warrior , Mr .
Windham , who was himself a host . At the same time that the war department was thrown overboard to lighten the home department , there had been added to the the hitler a precis-writer—a Law-clerk—a Librarian—and a superintendant of felonies . The last was Mr . Baldwin , a Member of Parliament , who , though he had quitted the law , had still no objection to handle a paper or a fee . Thus nothing was left for the noble Duke but to sign official papers . He then proceeded to the law ofthe case . Mr . Burke ' s Bill enacted ' That the office of a third Secretary of State should be abolished , for the purpose of preventing any further augmentation ofthe Civil List ; and that if any thing should be revived of the same
name , nature , or description , it should be deemed a new office , and that the holder should be incapacitated to sit in the House of Commons . ' This plainly took in the Secretaryship of State held byMr . Dundas , the Committee of Finance having expressly stated that Lord Grenville held ihe Foreign—the Duke of Portland the Home— " and Mr . Dundas the War department . Even admitting that this division of places was necessary , still he had proved , to the House that the Hon . Gentleman sat in it in contradiction to a law , which it was their duty to obey , or rather to make Mr . Dundas obey . He concluded by moving , ' That the office of Secretary
for the War department had been added to those ofthe Home and Foreign departments on the 10 th of July , 1794 . ' Mr . Dundas said he would no : argue the propriety of abolishing the place ofthe third Secretary , or whether it were properly restored ; but he would assert that since the war the Flome Department was too much for any individual . The only question was , whether he was third Secretary , in 1791 , he received the seals of the Home Department , and the custodium of those that had belonged to Lord George Germaine . These latter . were in 1794 delivered to the Duke of Portland . The House would then consider whether the Duke , who had been called in , was the third Secretary or himself , whose office and emoluments remained the same . He had sitten before in the House as Secretary ; nor did he think his rights taken
away . Mr . Pitt said that the Secretaries of State might transact each other ' s business indiscriminately , and that the third Secretaryship , which was incompatible with a seat in the Commons , was held by a Peer . Sir W . Geary and Mr . Martin also supported the motion . Lord Hawkesbury , Sir W . Young and Messrs . Addington , and Burdon opposed it . On a division , 139 were against it , and eight only for it . NEGOCIATION .
Friday , 10 . The order of the day , for the House to take into consideration his Majesty ' s Declaration , the other Papers relative to the late Negociation at Lisle , and the Address to his Majesty which had been voted by the Lords , and proposed by them , at a conference , for the approbation of the House having been twice read , Sir John Sinclair , thinking many phrases of the Address highly objectionable , rose to move an amendment . Pie blamed the invectives contained in it ; and remarked , that when the French demanded whether Lord Malmesbury had power to
surrender ail our conquests , they expressly said , that the avowal would not imply the necessity of such surrender—He concluded by moving to leave out the whole words of the Address after the word' assembled , ' and instead insert 'We beg leave to return your Majesty our most humble and hear ' . y thanks for your gracious communication of the Papers respecting the late Negociation entered into with the Government of France . Whan we considerlhe various calamities to which nations in a state of hostility are necessarily exposed , we cannot but deplore the continuance of a war , which has already occasioned such an expence of treasure and
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House Of Commons.
bv virtue of which the third secretaryship had been abolished in 1783 . He gave the history of its revival in 1795 , and contended that it was nothing more than an arrangement between the ins and the oms . The Home and the WaiDepartment were divided , the noble Duke now at the head ofthe former being supposed incapable to manage the war , though aided by a Commander in Chief , who , he must say , albeit unaccustomed to compliment Princes , was equally able and industrious . At the head of ; he Ordnance was Marquis Cormvallis , who was equal to any charge ; and near the Right Hon . Gentleman was the warrior , Mr .
Windham , who was himself a host . At the same time that the war department was thrown overboard to lighten the home department , there had been added to the the hitler a precis-writer—a Law-clerk—a Librarian—and a superintendant of felonies . The last was Mr . Baldwin , a Member of Parliament , who , though he had quitted the law , had still no objection to handle a paper or a fee . Thus nothing was left for the noble Duke but to sign official papers . He then proceeded to the law ofthe case . Mr . Burke ' s Bill enacted ' That the office of a third Secretary of State should be abolished , for the purpose of preventing any further augmentation ofthe Civil List ; and that if any thing should be revived of the same
name , nature , or description , it should be deemed a new office , and that the holder should be incapacitated to sit in the House of Commons . ' This plainly took in the Secretaryship of State held byMr . Dundas , the Committee of Finance having expressly stated that Lord Grenville held ihe Foreign—the Duke of Portland the Home— " and Mr . Dundas the War department . Even admitting that this division of places was necessary , still he had proved , to the House that the Hon . Gentleman sat in it in contradiction to a law , which it was their duty to obey , or rather to make Mr . Dundas obey . He concluded by moving , ' That the office of Secretary
for the War department had been added to those ofthe Home and Foreign departments on the 10 th of July , 1794 . ' Mr . Dundas said he would no : argue the propriety of abolishing the place ofthe third Secretary , or whether it were properly restored ; but he would assert that since the war the Flome Department was too much for any individual . The only question was , whether he was third Secretary , in 1791 , he received the seals of the Home Department , and the custodium of those that had belonged to Lord George Germaine . These latter . were in 1794 delivered to the Duke of Portland . The House would then consider whether the Duke , who had been called in , was the third Secretary or himself , whose office and emoluments remained the same . He had sitten before in the House as Secretary ; nor did he think his rights taken
away . Mr . Pitt said that the Secretaries of State might transact each other ' s business indiscriminately , and that the third Secretaryship , which was incompatible with a seat in the Commons , was held by a Peer . Sir W . Geary and Mr . Martin also supported the motion . Lord Hawkesbury , Sir W . Young and Messrs . Addington , and Burdon opposed it . On a division , 139 were against it , and eight only for it . NEGOCIATION .
Friday , 10 . The order of the day , for the House to take into consideration his Majesty ' s Declaration , the other Papers relative to the late Negociation at Lisle , and the Address to his Majesty which had been voted by the Lords , and proposed by them , at a conference , for the approbation of the House having been twice read , Sir John Sinclair , thinking many phrases of the Address highly objectionable , rose to move an amendment . Pie blamed the invectives contained in it ; and remarked , that when the French demanded whether Lord Malmesbury had power to
surrender ail our conquests , they expressly said , that the avowal would not imply the necessity of such surrender—He concluded by moving to leave out the whole words of the Address after the word' assembled , ' and instead insert 'We beg leave to return your Majesty our most humble and hear ' . y thanks for your gracious communication of the Papers respecting the late Negociation entered into with the Government of France . Whan we considerlhe various calamities to which nations in a state of hostility are necessarily exposed , we cannot but deplore the continuance of a war , which has already occasioned such an expence of treasure and