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—the end of it—was submitted , but that the first portion was not submitted . It mattered little to him ; the point was all the same ; and it did not matter to Grand Lodge whether it was ruled out by the President or by the Committee , so far as his principle was concerned ; but the principle was , whether it was by the President or by the Committee , they had no right whatever to reject that notice and refuse to place it on the agenda of Grand Lodge ,
because he read the Book of Constitutions , the rules were well laid down and ought to be well understood , and for his part he cjuld not understand that it wns possible to put a question of this kind more fully , more clearly than ithad been put in the rule of Grand Lodge . Rule 53 said : "The General Committeeshall direct : that any notice of motion which , in its judgment , is scandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of the Grand Lodge , shall beomitted
from the list of business to be brought before the Grand Lodge , and in such case the Chairman is specially to report the same , with a copy of the notice , to the Grand Master ; the member who gave notice of the motion shall also be informed thereof before the meeting of the Grand Lodge . " Well , now , the brethren had heard the notice he had read , and he would ask tliem categorically whether there was in the first instance anything scandalous on the
face of the notice ; he asked , again , whether there was anything irregular on the face of the notice ; he would ask them again whether that notice was not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ? He could not understand anvone saying that there was anything scandalous , irregular , or that could not be brought before Grand Lodge in it . If not , what were they going to bring before Grand Lodge ? What power had they to refuse , if it was not
scandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ? He did not know how it was that Grand Registrar came , as he ( Bro . Eve ) concluded , irregularly and improperly to advice the President to strike out the first and second parts of the resolution . The President of the General Committee , a brother highly esteemed , of course acted according to the legal view of it . This was a matter which referred to a matter of very great importance of
itself . He ( Bro . Eve ) cared nothing about this notice as it stood , because so far as he was informed they had nothing to gain by it except this that it became a matter of great importance to the Grand Lodge and the brethren that they should have all fair opportunities of bringing all matters before Grand Lodge which Grand Lodge had the power to decide . This was not the first time he had sent in a notice of motion on an important matter and it had been thrown aside by the same brother who decided that
this was scandalous , irregular , and not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ; that brother set aside a notice which went to the root of the privileges of the lodges of New South Wales ; he ( Bro . Eve ) referred to a notice he gave in the early part of the year 1 S 93 . That notice was one which was competent and ought to be brought forward before Grand Lodge , but it was struck out because it was said it infringed upon the prerogative
of the M . W . Grand Master . He was not going into that further than to say the present was not the first time a fair and reasonable mailer had been thrown out . It was , therefore , because it was an important principle that he was then bringing that comparatively small matter before the brethren in order that the principle should be thoroughly enunciated , and that the brethren should not be ruled by anv particular brother who hid any particular
feeling in the matter in hand . These decisions should be given 0 : 1 broad principles—so broad that they should rather have the matter brought before Grand Lodge and let them decide . Rather should lhey err on the side of latitude than on the side of repression , and allow matters to be brought before Grand Lodge . That was the principle he proceeded upon . He did not want to come into conflict with the Grand Officers of the Colonial
Board , but he wanted to have the matter threshed out . Grand Lod ge , in 1893 , enunciated in the clearest possible way the words which he would take the opportunity of reading to the brethren—the principles were so thoroughly and clearly laid down on that occasion . It was with reference to this very rule of Grand Lodge he gave notice , and the brethren would see the importance of the notice with regard to the brethren . It was in June ,
1893 , resolved upon a motion proposed by himself , " That this Grand Lodge declares that the conclusion of the Colonial Board , viz ., that Article 219 did not apply to the case of the Cambrian Lodge , No . 656 of Australia , is totally opposed to the uniform practice of Grand Lodge since 1779 , and that the correct construction of the law is that laid down by the V . W . Grand Registrar , Bro . Philbrick , and the V . W . the President of the Board of
General Purposes , Bro . Fenn , on the 3 rd June , 1885 , by the late M . W . Pro Grand Master , Lord Carnarvon , on the 5 th December , 188 S , and by the R . W . Bro . W . W . B . Beach , and by the V . W . Grand Registrar , and the V . W . President of the Board of General Purposes on the 2 nd December , i 89 i , _ and adopted by Grand Lodge on those dates . And that the alleged cancellation of thewarrantwas indirect contravention of the termson which Grand
Lodge granted recognition to the United Grand Lodge of New South Wales . And that these brethren who adhere to their allegiance to this Grand Lodge are therefore entitled to recognition as the lodge . " Now , he called the brethren ' s attention again to the notice he gave . His notice was not given until the month of May , 1894 . He had received information from the brethren of New South Wales that no step had been taken for the purpose
of recognition—not for some time afterwards that they had this rule passed by Grand Lodge ; no step was taken by tha Colonial Board to remedy this wrong which the Colonial Board said they had suffered from ; that the Grand Secretary for the time being ( I am not referring to the present Grand Secretary ) also had the case before him ; and that nothing had been done after the passing of that resolution in June , 1893—nothing was done to further
the rights and privileges of the brethren of the Cambrian Lod ge of Australia , No . 656 . That was after the rule had been laid down _ . Now , the brethren would see the importance of this to them . Nothing had been done . They simply had no right—he put it as a general principle—no one in an assembly had a right to get up and ask a question about things tint had taken place before , without notice previously
given . That was his object in giving this notice of asking the question what steps had been taken by the Grand Secretary or the Colonial Board to give effect to the resolutions of Grand Lodge on the 7 th June , 1 S 93 , in respect of the Cambrian Lodge of Australia , No . 656 ? Was there anyihing scandalous in that ; was there anything irregular in that ; was there anything in that that Grand Lodgj should n it t . ike cognisance of—to see whetner anything had been done to remedy the evil under which the brethren of the
Cambrian Lodge had been suffering ? So much for that . Then , he said , in his notice— " And if fuund necessary , to move— ' That the Ceilonial Board and the Grand Secretary be appointed to take prompt action to assist the loyal brethren of the Cambrian Lodge of \ u > tralia , No . 656 in upholding their rights . ' " On the last occasion of Grand Lodge the brethren would remember that he said that the latter part of the resolution asking thc Most Worshipful Grand Master " to use his gracious inlluence in inducing thc United Grand Lodge of New South Wales to give the Cambrian Lodge , No .
United Grand Lodge Of England.
656 , friendly and fraternal recognition "being allowed to remain he withdrewhis motion . He had his reasons for withdrawing it . He knew there was a difficulty in interfering by one body with another on a question of jurisdiction , and he should be very sorry indeed if he should ask the Most Worshipful Grand Master—he felt it on the previous occasion—to interfere ; but he
felt this that a difficulty of such a nature as to ask the Most Worshipful Grand Master to use his influence and-then if he did the brethren of New South Wales did not act upon it the Most Worshipful Grand Master would be put in a difficulty . That was the reason he withdrew the resolution on the last occasion . But with reference to the Colonial Board and the Grand
Secretary they were officers of Grand Lodge . The Grand Secretary , though appointed by the Grand Master , was an officer of Grand Lodge , and the brethren had an undoubted right—he maintained they had a right—to call upon him if they wanted an answer to certain matters ancl they ought to have it ; they ought to be able to get the best information they could procure when a wrong had been done . He knew a wrong had been done—he did not say
by whom ; but when he was met by an officer who is supported by another officer who said his notice was out of order it certainly made him a little indignant . He contended that it was a wrong decision ; he did not want to take up too much of the brethren ' s time ; he could go into the whole question , but he knew that this rule was one that had been well and strongly enunciated , and so well and strongly enunciated that it commended
itself to the intelligence of Grand Lodge . He knew Grand Lodge was jealous of the powers it possessed and of placing them in other hands , and that no obstruction should be placed in the way by officers when they were quite within their rights . He now asked Grand Lodge to decide , first , that the President of the Board of General Purposes , acting as Chairman of the General Committee , had no power to rule any motion or any part of a motion
out of order without submitting it to the vote of the General Committee ; that as a matter of fact , the matter was dealt with entirely by the Chairman ' s ruling , and nothing was left to the General Committee to consider or decide ; and that the action of the respondent , Worshipful Bro . James Brett , was therefore totally illegal , and opposed to the Book of Constitutions . Second , that even if the President had the power
so to rule , neither he nor the General Committee were justified in retusing to allow any motion to be placed on the paper , unless on the ground that it was eitherscandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge , neither of which , according to the letterof the V . W . the Grand Secretary hereinbefore set forth , is alleged as the ground of rejection . Third , the appellant submits that the words struck out were neither scandalous , nor irregular , but that the matter was properly within the cognisance of the Grand Lodge .
The appellant , therefore , prays Grand Lodge to decide that the said action of the Acting President of the General Committee was illegal and unconstitutional , and that the motion , as submitted to the General Committee maybe placed upon the agenda paper of the next or other Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge . The ACTING GRAND MASTER asked Bro . Eve for a copy of his notice of motion .
Bro . EVE said it was fully set forth in the copy of his notice of appeal ; it was cut down on the agenda paper ; it was treated with the greatest amount of cold water altogether ; it might have been placed in full upon the agenda . Bro . R . LOVELAND LOVELAND , President Board of General Purposes , said , in the absence of the Grand Registrar , Bro . Philbrick ; the Deputy Grand Registrar , Bro . T . Lean Wilkinson ; and also the Chairman of this
Committee ( Cries of " No —Bro . James Brett being present ) , he asked , through the Acting Grand Master , Bro . Eve , who was a good Englishman , and a man he had had the pleasure of knowing for many years , not to put the resolution now , and condemn the brethren unheard ; let them have a chance of showing cause against the appeal of Bro . Eve . He was sure he knew Bro . Eve sufficiently well to say that he would not snap a verdict against a brother without hearing him , but that he would consent to this appeal being heard at the next Grand Lodge . ( Cries of " No , no . " )
Bro . RICHARD EVE , P . G . Treas ., said he should be delighted to fall in with the view of the Very Worshipful the President of the Baard of General Purposes ; but no one could say he was trying to snap a judgment . ( Hear , hear . ) What was the rule under which he had appealed ? He had been sent back month after month . He conformed to the rules of Grand Lodge . He was required to give notice of an appeal 21 days before he came there .
He sent a copy of a notice ( he did not read it all to Grand Lodge , it was a very long notice ) , but according to the Book of Constitutions any appeal against a decision must be made to the next practicable meeting of thc Grand I . odge . The appeal must be made in writing , specifying the particular grievance complained of , and be transmitted , together with all documentary evidence , to the Grand Secretary 21 days at least before the
next practicable meeting of the Grand Lodge . He had complied with that , and he sent a copy of it to the President of the General Committee the day before he sent it to the Grand Secretary ; therefore he had given 22 days ' notice . There could consequently be no ground for adjournment , though he should have been happy to meet the particular view of ihe President of the Board of General Purposes .
Bro . J \ MES BRETT , Senior Vice-President of the Board of Benevolence , who was Chairman of the Board of Masters when Bro . Eve ' s notice was ruled out of order , saitl that as the Acting Chairman on the day in question he rose to make his statement . Bro . J . S . CI'MHERLAND rose to a point of order . The motion of Bro . Rich .-ird Eve had not been seconded .
Bro . J . EMII . IIS LI : FKIJVRI :, P . G . I ) ., rose and said he would relieve Granel Lodgeof that difficulty . Bro . J AMES BRETT thereupon said this notice of motion of Bro . Eve ' s was presented by Bro . Baskett to the General Committee . It was , he assured the brethren , on that occasion fairly , impartially , and carefully considered by the Grand Registrar , the Deputy Grand Registrar , Bro .
Baskelt , himself ( Bro . James Brett ) , and other brethren . It was seen at once that it was not a queslion in the first place necessary to pu on the agenda paper , and in the second place it was considered irregular and out of order . That was the ruling and Ihe belie ' of the Grand Registrar , and of course the Grand Registrar was their legal adviser , and tie ( Bro . James Brett ) , to a certain extent was led by hi" 1 .
But hc confessed to Grand Lodge that he agreed with the Grand Registrar in the opinion he gave and in the ruling he gave . He should say here there was no tormal show of hands taken by the chair , because everybody in th e Committee agreed at once . ( Bro . T . W . Whitmarsh and olher brethren , " No , no , " followed by opposing cries of " Yes , yes " ) . The brethren of l"e Committee said , " It is not a notice of motion that should go on the agend ; paper . " All those who had anything to say about it saiel that ; and when il
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United Grand Lodge Of England.
—the end of it—was submitted , but that the first portion was not submitted . It mattered little to him ; the point was all the same ; and it did not matter to Grand Lodge whether it was ruled out by the President or by the Committee , so far as his principle was concerned ; but the principle was , whether it was by the President or by the Committee , they had no right whatever to reject that notice and refuse to place it on the agenda of Grand Lodge ,
because he read the Book of Constitutions , the rules were well laid down and ought to be well understood , and for his part he cjuld not understand that it wns possible to put a question of this kind more fully , more clearly than ithad been put in the rule of Grand Lodge . Rule 53 said : "The General Committeeshall direct : that any notice of motion which , in its judgment , is scandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of the Grand Lodge , shall beomitted
from the list of business to be brought before the Grand Lodge , and in such case the Chairman is specially to report the same , with a copy of the notice , to the Grand Master ; the member who gave notice of the motion shall also be informed thereof before the meeting of the Grand Lodge . " Well , now , the brethren had heard the notice he had read , and he would ask tliem categorically whether there was in the first instance anything scandalous on the
face of the notice ; he asked , again , whether there was anything irregular on the face of the notice ; he would ask them again whether that notice was not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ? He could not understand anvone saying that there was anything scandalous , irregular , or that could not be brought before Grand Lodge in it . If not , what were they going to bring before Grand Lodge ? What power had they to refuse , if it was not
scandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ? He did not know how it was that Grand Registrar came , as he ( Bro . Eve ) concluded , irregularly and improperly to advice the President to strike out the first and second parts of the resolution . The President of the General Committee , a brother highly esteemed , of course acted according to the legal view of it . This was a matter which referred to a matter of very great importance of
itself . He ( Bro . Eve ) cared nothing about this notice as it stood , because so far as he was informed they had nothing to gain by it except this that it became a matter of great importance to the Grand Lodge and the brethren that they should have all fair opportunities of bringing all matters before Grand Lodge which Grand Lodge had the power to decide . This was not the first time he had sent in a notice of motion on an important matter and it had been thrown aside by the same brother who decided that
this was scandalous , irregular , and not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge ; that brother set aside a notice which went to the root of the privileges of the lodges of New South Wales ; he ( Bro . Eve ) referred to a notice he gave in the early part of the year 1 S 93 . That notice was one which was competent and ought to be brought forward before Grand Lodge , but it was struck out because it was said it infringed upon the prerogative
of the M . W . Grand Master . He was not going into that further than to say the present was not the first time a fair and reasonable mailer had been thrown out . It was , therefore , because it was an important principle that he was then bringing that comparatively small matter before the brethren in order that the principle should be thoroughly enunciated , and that the brethren should not be ruled by anv particular brother who hid any particular
feeling in the matter in hand . These decisions should be given 0 : 1 broad principles—so broad that they should rather have the matter brought before Grand Lodge and let them decide . Rather should lhey err on the side of latitude than on the side of repression , and allow matters to be brought before Grand Lodge . That was the principle he proceeded upon . He did not want to come into conflict with the Grand Officers of the Colonial
Board , but he wanted to have the matter threshed out . Grand Lod ge , in 1893 , enunciated in the clearest possible way the words which he would take the opportunity of reading to the brethren—the principles were so thoroughly and clearly laid down on that occasion . It was with reference to this very rule of Grand Lodge he gave notice , and the brethren would see the importance of the notice with regard to the brethren . It was in June ,
1893 , resolved upon a motion proposed by himself , " That this Grand Lodge declares that the conclusion of the Colonial Board , viz ., that Article 219 did not apply to the case of the Cambrian Lodge , No . 656 of Australia , is totally opposed to the uniform practice of Grand Lodge since 1779 , and that the correct construction of the law is that laid down by the V . W . Grand Registrar , Bro . Philbrick , and the V . W . the President of the Board of
General Purposes , Bro . Fenn , on the 3 rd June , 1885 , by the late M . W . Pro Grand Master , Lord Carnarvon , on the 5 th December , 188 S , and by the R . W . Bro . W . W . B . Beach , and by the V . W . Grand Registrar , and the V . W . President of the Board of General Purposes on the 2 nd December , i 89 i , _ and adopted by Grand Lodge on those dates . And that the alleged cancellation of thewarrantwas indirect contravention of the termson which Grand
Lodge granted recognition to the United Grand Lodge of New South Wales . And that these brethren who adhere to their allegiance to this Grand Lodge are therefore entitled to recognition as the lodge . " Now , he called the brethren ' s attention again to the notice he gave . His notice was not given until the month of May , 1894 . He had received information from the brethren of New South Wales that no step had been taken for the purpose
of recognition—not for some time afterwards that they had this rule passed by Grand Lodge ; no step was taken by tha Colonial Board to remedy this wrong which the Colonial Board said they had suffered from ; that the Grand Secretary for the time being ( I am not referring to the present Grand Secretary ) also had the case before him ; and that nothing had been done after the passing of that resolution in June , 1893—nothing was done to further
the rights and privileges of the brethren of the Cambrian Lod ge of Australia , No . 656 . That was after the rule had been laid down _ . Now , the brethren would see the importance of this to them . Nothing had been done . They simply had no right—he put it as a general principle—no one in an assembly had a right to get up and ask a question about things tint had taken place before , without notice previously
given . That was his object in giving this notice of asking the question what steps had been taken by the Grand Secretary or the Colonial Board to give effect to the resolutions of Grand Lodge on the 7 th June , 1 S 93 , in respect of the Cambrian Lodge of Australia , No . 656 ? Was there anyihing scandalous in that ; was there anything irregular in that ; was there anything in that that Grand Lodgj should n it t . ike cognisance of—to see whetner anything had been done to remedy the evil under which the brethren of the
Cambrian Lodge had been suffering ? So much for that . Then , he said , in his notice— " And if fuund necessary , to move— ' That the Ceilonial Board and the Grand Secretary be appointed to take prompt action to assist the loyal brethren of the Cambrian Lodge of \ u > tralia , No . 656 in upholding their rights . ' " On the last occasion of Grand Lodge the brethren would remember that he said that the latter part of the resolution asking thc Most Worshipful Grand Master " to use his gracious inlluence in inducing thc United Grand Lodge of New South Wales to give the Cambrian Lodge , No .
United Grand Lodge Of England.
656 , friendly and fraternal recognition "being allowed to remain he withdrewhis motion . He had his reasons for withdrawing it . He knew there was a difficulty in interfering by one body with another on a question of jurisdiction , and he should be very sorry indeed if he should ask the Most Worshipful Grand Master—he felt it on the previous occasion—to interfere ; but he
felt this that a difficulty of such a nature as to ask the Most Worshipful Grand Master to use his influence and-then if he did the brethren of New South Wales did not act upon it the Most Worshipful Grand Master would be put in a difficulty . That was the reason he withdrew the resolution on the last occasion . But with reference to the Colonial Board and the Grand
Secretary they were officers of Grand Lodge . The Grand Secretary , though appointed by the Grand Master , was an officer of Grand Lodge , and the brethren had an undoubted right—he maintained they had a right—to call upon him if they wanted an answer to certain matters ancl they ought to have it ; they ought to be able to get the best information they could procure when a wrong had been done . He knew a wrong had been done—he did not say
by whom ; but when he was met by an officer who is supported by another officer who said his notice was out of order it certainly made him a little indignant . He contended that it was a wrong decision ; he did not want to take up too much of the brethren ' s time ; he could go into the whole question , but he knew that this rule was one that had been well and strongly enunciated , and so well and strongly enunciated that it commended
itself to the intelligence of Grand Lodge . He knew Grand Lodge was jealous of the powers it possessed and of placing them in other hands , and that no obstruction should be placed in the way by officers when they were quite within their rights . He now asked Grand Lodge to decide , first , that the President of the Board of General Purposes , acting as Chairman of the General Committee , had no power to rule any motion or any part of a motion
out of order without submitting it to the vote of the General Committee ; that as a matter of fact , the matter was dealt with entirely by the Chairman ' s ruling , and nothing was left to the General Committee to consider or decide ; and that the action of the respondent , Worshipful Bro . James Brett , was therefore totally illegal , and opposed to the Book of Constitutions . Second , that even if the President had the power
so to rule , neither he nor the General Committee were justified in retusing to allow any motion to be placed on the paper , unless on the ground that it was eitherscandalous , irregular , or not within the cognisance of Grand Lodge , neither of which , according to the letterof the V . W . the Grand Secretary hereinbefore set forth , is alleged as the ground of rejection . Third , the appellant submits that the words struck out were neither scandalous , nor irregular , but that the matter was properly within the cognisance of the Grand Lodge .
The appellant , therefore , prays Grand Lodge to decide that the said action of the Acting President of the General Committee was illegal and unconstitutional , and that the motion , as submitted to the General Committee maybe placed upon the agenda paper of the next or other Quarterly Communication of Grand Lodge . The ACTING GRAND MASTER asked Bro . Eve for a copy of his notice of motion .
Bro . EVE said it was fully set forth in the copy of his notice of appeal ; it was cut down on the agenda paper ; it was treated with the greatest amount of cold water altogether ; it might have been placed in full upon the agenda . Bro . R . LOVELAND LOVELAND , President Board of General Purposes , said , in the absence of the Grand Registrar , Bro . Philbrick ; the Deputy Grand Registrar , Bro . T . Lean Wilkinson ; and also the Chairman of this
Committee ( Cries of " No —Bro . James Brett being present ) , he asked , through the Acting Grand Master , Bro . Eve , who was a good Englishman , and a man he had had the pleasure of knowing for many years , not to put the resolution now , and condemn the brethren unheard ; let them have a chance of showing cause against the appeal of Bro . Eve . He was sure he knew Bro . Eve sufficiently well to say that he would not snap a verdict against a brother without hearing him , but that he would consent to this appeal being heard at the next Grand Lodge . ( Cries of " No , no . " )
Bro . RICHARD EVE , P . G . Treas ., said he should be delighted to fall in with the view of the Very Worshipful the President of the Baard of General Purposes ; but no one could say he was trying to snap a judgment . ( Hear , hear . ) What was the rule under which he had appealed ? He had been sent back month after month . He conformed to the rules of Grand Lodge . He was required to give notice of an appeal 21 days before he came there .
He sent a copy of a notice ( he did not read it all to Grand Lodge , it was a very long notice ) , but according to the Book of Constitutions any appeal against a decision must be made to the next practicable meeting of thc Grand I . odge . The appeal must be made in writing , specifying the particular grievance complained of , and be transmitted , together with all documentary evidence , to the Grand Secretary 21 days at least before the
next practicable meeting of the Grand Lodge . He had complied with that , and he sent a copy of it to the President of the General Committee the day before he sent it to the Grand Secretary ; therefore he had given 22 days ' notice . There could consequently be no ground for adjournment , though he should have been happy to meet the particular view of ihe President of the Board of General Purposes .
Bro . J \ MES BRETT , Senior Vice-President of the Board of Benevolence , who was Chairman of the Board of Masters when Bro . Eve ' s notice was ruled out of order , saitl that as the Acting Chairman on the day in question he rose to make his statement . Bro . J . S . CI'MHERLAND rose to a point of order . The motion of Bro . Rich .-ird Eve had not been seconded .
Bro . J . EMII . IIS LI : FKIJVRI :, P . G . I ) ., rose and said he would relieve Granel Lodgeof that difficulty . Bro . J AMES BRETT thereupon said this notice of motion of Bro . Eve ' s was presented by Bro . Baskett to the General Committee . It was , he assured the brethren , on that occasion fairly , impartially , and carefully considered by the Grand Registrar , the Deputy Grand Registrar , Bro .
Baskelt , himself ( Bro . James Brett ) , and other brethren . It was seen at once that it was not a queslion in the first place necessary to pu on the agenda paper , and in the second place it was considered irregular and out of order . That was the ruling and Ihe belie ' of the Grand Registrar , and of course the Grand Registrar was their legal adviser , and tie ( Bro . James Brett ) , to a certain extent was led by hi" 1 .
But hc confessed to Grand Lodge that he agreed with the Grand Registrar in the opinion he gave and in the ruling he gave . He should say here there was no tormal show of hands taken by the chair , because everybody in th e Committee agreed at once . ( Bro . T . W . Whitmarsh and olher brethren , " No , no , " followed by opposing cries of " Yes , yes " ) . The brethren of l"e Committee said , " It is not a notice of motion that should go on the agend ; paper . " All those who had anything to say about it saiel that ; and when il