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Table Of Contents.

TABLE OF CONTENTS .

PAGB : M ASONIC HISTORIANS , NO . 2 . — Bros . John Sheville ancl James L . Gould 523 & 524 REVIEWSThe Imperial Constantinian Order of St .

George ... ... ... ... ... ... 5 4 L ODGE OF BENEVOLENCE 524 GRAND LODGE OF SCOTLAND 525 & 526 THE CRAFTMetropolitan 526 & 527

Middlesex 52 ? Provincial 5 7 BIRTHS , "MARRIAGES , AND DEATHS 52 S ANSWERS TO CORRESPONDENTS 528 TRUTH 528 His IMPERIAL HIGHNESS THE PRINCE R

IIODOCA . N ' AKIS ... 529 ROSICRL ' CIAN . SOCIETY OF ENGLAND 529 ROVAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION ... 529 ROYAL M ASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS ... 529 MULTUM IN PARVO 529

ORIGINAL C ORRESPONDENCEThe Purple 53 ° A Cry of Distress 53 ° "From Refreshment tn Labour" 530 The Elias Dc Derlinm Lodge , No . 586 ... 530 Bro . Norton ' s Rcnlv to Bro . William

Carpenter 530 & 531 An Urgent Appeal 531 Questionable Doings ... 531 CHANNEL ISLANDS 532 INSTRUCTION * 532 MARK

MASONRYInstallation of Earl Percy 532 ORDERS OF CHIVALRYKnights Templar ... ... ... ... 532 CORRESPONDENCE RELATING TO THE AI . UANY LODGE , No . 3 S 9 532 & 533

DISTRICT GRAND LODGE OF TURKEY 533 POETRYThe Lord's Prayer of thc Freemason ... ... 533 MASONIC MEETING . * '" HI : NEXT WEEK ... 533 & 534 ADVERTISEMENTS 521 , 522 , 534 , 535 , & 536

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

BROTHERS JOHN SHEVILLE AND JAMES L . GOULD .

MASONIC HISTORIANS . —No . 2 .

Bv BRO . WILLIAM J AMES HUGHAN ** . ( Continued from page $ oy . ) Bro . Gould having glanced at tlie revival of Freemasonry ( not origin ) in 1717 , proceeds to state that about 1725 " many

other new regulations were proposed and adopted , which had , and still have , great influence on the Order . First in importance among these was the one allowing the admission of members without regard

to occupation or pursuit . Previous to this era the Society was composed mostly of Operative Masons , with an occasional exception in favour of men distinguished for rank , scientific attainments , or position in civil life , or those who had rendered some

eminent service to the Craft . In order to increase its membership ancl extend the influence of the Order , the proposition was agreed to , that the privileges of Masonry should no longer be restricted to Operative

Masons , but men of all trades and professions should bc admitted to the rights and benefits of the Institutionon being regularly approved . From this point tlie Fraternity rapidly acquired popularity and influence .

Men of rank and position sought affiliation , with the Order , and there came knocking at its doors men of talent and learning . These men applied themselves to the study of its symbols and allegories , and by their labours

the dust and rubbish of centuries were Removed from the foundation of the old Temple of Operative Masonry , and the new Temple of Speculative Masonry was reared in all its beauty and grandeur to bless the world in which it was created . "

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

We think our readers will be pleased to peruse so eloquent an account of early Freemasonry ; but whilst indicating the excellence of the language and description of the character of the Craft about

A . D . 1725 , let us not forget to scrutinize the circumstances narrated . ( a ) Gentlemen were admitted as Masons long before A . D . 1717 , and even were elected to office as early as the seventeenth century , so that

it is absurd to talk about the law generally restricting the reception of members to operatives down to A . D . 1725 , when we have so many records dating long before the third decade of the eighteenth century ,

which abundantly confirms the fact that operatives «<* *

" Masonic Annual , " to be published shortly ) than by mentioning that the records of the extinct " old lodge at York city " prove that generally gentlemen were initiated therein before 1717 , and that as an operative institution it had loner ceased to exist at that

period . It worked before and after the first Grand Lodge was established in London ( 1717 ) , and quite independent of it for some years , although subsequently the two bodies exchanged correspondence , & c . The

old lodge at Haughfoot , Scotland , also illustrates the fact of Operative Masons not being always the chief strength in a lodge anterior to 1725 , or even 1717 , and so also do the records of other lodges . The

majority of the " Revivalists " do not appear to have been operatives either . Whilst fully admitting the operative origin of our ancient Order , we think its exclusively operative connections ceased

sometime before the era of A . D . 1725 , and that therefore the law declared to have been carried at that period , to enable gentlemen to join without the usual restrictive " operative clause , was purely pro forma , if it was

passed at all . No doubt we are indebted to the non-operatives for the more specula tive character of Freemasonry after the seventeenth century . Indeed , without such aid , our Society would , in all probability ,

have been extinct long before now . As it is , it will flourish so long as faith , hope , and charity exist among mankind . Bro . Gould is particularly careful to clear up the mystery connected with the schism , and is in

part successful . \ V « cannot , however , agree with him , that it originated " with some unruly spirits , who , being exceedingly anxious to obtain the Master ' s Degree , prevailed on some inconsiderate Master

Masons to open an illegal lodge , and to raise them to that sublime degree . " About A . D . 173 S it was comparatively easy to attain the third degree , and therefore to obtain such a distinction could not have

been the possession which a few " unruly spirits " sought , and out of which sprung the notable secession of seventy odd years . The question as to the origin of thc " Ancients" has of late been considerably

cleared of its obscurity by a series of articles in THE FREEMASON , by an accomplished Mason , styled " Thc Son of Salathiel ; " and to it we would respectfully point ourfriends

who wish for light on the subject . When read side by side with Dr . Oliver ' s work on the " Origin of the Royal Arch "—which , though essentially different , is , after all , the fullest treatise on the " Ancients" we

know of—Masonic students will find that the account by " The Son of Salathiel " is of much value , because the history of the "Seceders" is mainly considered at a time when Dr . Oliver does not appear to have been aware of their existence , probably

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

from the circumstance that open opposition to the Grand Lodge was not then attempted . Even so early as A . D . 1730 it is evident that clandestine lodges were held , and the moving spirits in the subsequent secession

were the active agents then . We are inclined to believe , with " The Son of Salathiel , " " That the opposition party was mainly composed of Operative Masons , who regarded with distrust and uneasiness the transformation of the ancient

handicraft society into an association for the cultivation of speculative science . Ex-: amples of this distrust had been shown previously , when the members of the old lodge of St . Paul ' s burnt their manuscripts ,

constitutions , and charges , to prevent them being published by Grand Master Payne . The "domatie" or working Masons resolved , therefore , to make a stand against Desaguliers , whose influence was rapidly

becoming supreme by the influx into the Order of men of birth and education , who shared his expansive ideas of establishing an universal Brotherhood upon the basis of Operative Masonry . " These views are

confirmed by the opposition to Dr . Desaguliers , the learned Frenchman , in 1723 , when his appointment as Deputy Grand Master being put to the vote only forty-three members supported the election , and forty-two

voted agamst it ! Bro . Anthony Sayer , the first Grand Master , joined the dissentients , and he had a narrow escape of being expelled from the Order in consequence . Bro . Gould takes considerable pains to decide

according to theevidence accumulated when the Grand Lodge of the " Ancients " was instituted , and considers that the deposition made by the esteemed Grand Secretary , Bro . White , ought to settle the question .

It is as follows : " In certain testimony taken by commission in England , for use in the New York difficulty some years since , Bro . White , at that time the venerable Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of

England , says under oath , in answer to a question , that the Athol or Ancient Grand Lodge was formed in 1752 . " The "Son of Salathiel " in THE FREEMASON ( Oct 15 th 1870 , ) considers that the Grand Lod g <

of England ( Ancients ) was not formed unti : 5 th December , 1753 , when Bro . Robert Turner was elected the "first Grand Master , " and quotes from the records of that extinct Grand Lodge in corroboration

thereof . We quite agree with Bro . Gould that Bros . Sandy , Preston , Mackay and others , were misinformed on this subject when stating it occurred either in 17 $ ) , 1757 , or 1772 .

In THE FREEMASON for September 17 th , 1 S 70 , wc read from the pen of the " Son of Salathiel , " that "From 1739 to 1752 the History of the ' Ancients ' is veiled in obscurity , for the very sufficient reason that

no record of their proceedings was kept until the last-mentioned year . .... It is but right to state that there was no 'Grand Lodge' according to the 'Old Institutions' all this while , the ruling powers being

the Masters of thc several lodges held in London . " The first minutes of the Seceders are dated the 5 th February , 1752 , when Bro . Laurence Dermott was appointed Grand Secretary , and in the next record , viz ., 4 th

March , A . D . 1752 , the Royal Arch degree is mentioned . The " Son of Salathiel " notices Desagulier ' s work of 1744 , which alludes to the Royal Arch . It is in our possession , and has been examined by this

excellent Mason with much satisfaction , as theexistence of Royal Arch Masonry in the third decade ofthe 18 th century is thereby almost rendered certain . As soon * as our engagements permit , we shall have a few

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LODGE OF BENEVOLENCE. Article 2
GRAND LODGE OF SCOTLAND. Article 3
THE CRAFT. Article 4
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Births, Marriages, and Deaths. Article 6
Answers to Correspondents. Article 6
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TRUTH. Article 6
HIS IMPERIAL HIGHNESS THE PRINCE RHODOCANAKIS, 33 ° . Article 7
ROSICRUCIAN SOCIETY OF ENGLAND. Article 7
ROYAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION. Article 7
ROYAL MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 7
Multum in Parbo, or Masonic Notes and Queries. Article 7
Original Correspondence. Article 8
AN URGENT APPEAL. Article 9
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 10
INSTRUCTION. Article 10
ORDERS OF CHIVALRY. Article 10
CORRESFONDENCERELATING to the ALBANY LODGE, No. 389. Article 10
DISTRICT G. LODGE OF TURKEY. Article 11
FREEBORN OR FREE. Article 11
THE LORD'S PRAYER OF THE FREEMASON. Article 11
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Table Of Contents.

TABLE OF CONTENTS .

PAGB : M ASONIC HISTORIANS , NO . 2 . — Bros . John Sheville ancl James L . Gould 523 & 524 REVIEWSThe Imperial Constantinian Order of St .

George ... ... ... ... ... ... 5 4 L ODGE OF BENEVOLENCE 524 GRAND LODGE OF SCOTLAND 525 & 526 THE CRAFTMetropolitan 526 & 527

Middlesex 52 ? Provincial 5 7 BIRTHS , "MARRIAGES , AND DEATHS 52 S ANSWERS TO CORRESPONDENTS 528 TRUTH 528 His IMPERIAL HIGHNESS THE PRINCE R

IIODOCA . N ' AKIS ... 529 ROSICRL ' CIAN . SOCIETY OF ENGLAND 529 ROVAL MASONIC BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION ... 529 ROYAL M ASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS ... 529 MULTUM IN PARVO 529

ORIGINAL C ORRESPONDENCEThe Purple 53 ° A Cry of Distress 53 ° "From Refreshment tn Labour" 530 The Elias Dc Derlinm Lodge , No . 586 ... 530 Bro . Norton ' s Rcnlv to Bro . William

Carpenter 530 & 531 An Urgent Appeal 531 Questionable Doings ... 531 CHANNEL ISLANDS 532 INSTRUCTION * 532 MARK

MASONRYInstallation of Earl Percy 532 ORDERS OF CHIVALRYKnights Templar ... ... ... ... 532 CORRESPONDENCE RELATING TO THE AI . UANY LODGE , No . 3 S 9 532 & 533

DISTRICT GRAND LODGE OF TURKEY 533 POETRYThe Lord's Prayer of thc Freemason ... ... 533 MASONIC MEETING . * '" HI : NEXT WEEK ... 533 & 534 ADVERTISEMENTS 521 , 522 , 534 , 535 , & 536

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

BROTHERS JOHN SHEVILLE AND JAMES L . GOULD .

MASONIC HISTORIANS . —No . 2 .

Bv BRO . WILLIAM J AMES HUGHAN ** . ( Continued from page $ oy . ) Bro . Gould having glanced at tlie revival of Freemasonry ( not origin ) in 1717 , proceeds to state that about 1725 " many

other new regulations were proposed and adopted , which had , and still have , great influence on the Order . First in importance among these was the one allowing the admission of members without regard

to occupation or pursuit . Previous to this era the Society was composed mostly of Operative Masons , with an occasional exception in favour of men distinguished for rank , scientific attainments , or position in civil life , or those who had rendered some

eminent service to the Craft . In order to increase its membership ancl extend the influence of the Order , the proposition was agreed to , that the privileges of Masonry should no longer be restricted to Operative

Masons , but men of all trades and professions should bc admitted to the rights and benefits of the Institutionon being regularly approved . From this point tlie Fraternity rapidly acquired popularity and influence .

Men of rank and position sought affiliation , with the Order , and there came knocking at its doors men of talent and learning . These men applied themselves to the study of its symbols and allegories , and by their labours

the dust and rubbish of centuries were Removed from the foundation of the old Temple of Operative Masonry , and the new Temple of Speculative Masonry was reared in all its beauty and grandeur to bless the world in which it was created . "

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

We think our readers will be pleased to peruse so eloquent an account of early Freemasonry ; but whilst indicating the excellence of the language and description of the character of the Craft about

A . D . 1725 , let us not forget to scrutinize the circumstances narrated . ( a ) Gentlemen were admitted as Masons long before A . D . 1717 , and even were elected to office as early as the seventeenth century , so that

it is absurd to talk about the law generally restricting the reception of members to operatives down to A . D . 1725 , when we have so many records dating long before the third decade of the eighteenth century ,

which abundantly confirms the fact that operatives «<* *

" Masonic Annual , " to be published shortly ) than by mentioning that the records of the extinct " old lodge at York city " prove that generally gentlemen were initiated therein before 1717 , and that as an operative institution it had loner ceased to exist at that

period . It worked before and after the first Grand Lodge was established in London ( 1717 ) , and quite independent of it for some years , although subsequently the two bodies exchanged correspondence , & c . The

old lodge at Haughfoot , Scotland , also illustrates the fact of Operative Masons not being always the chief strength in a lodge anterior to 1725 , or even 1717 , and so also do the records of other lodges . The

majority of the " Revivalists " do not appear to have been operatives either . Whilst fully admitting the operative origin of our ancient Order , we think its exclusively operative connections ceased

sometime before the era of A . D . 1725 , and that therefore the law declared to have been carried at that period , to enable gentlemen to join without the usual restrictive " operative clause , was purely pro forma , if it was

passed at all . No doubt we are indebted to the non-operatives for the more specula tive character of Freemasonry after the seventeenth century . Indeed , without such aid , our Society would , in all probability ,

have been extinct long before now . As it is , it will flourish so long as faith , hope , and charity exist among mankind . Bro . Gould is particularly careful to clear up the mystery connected with the schism , and is in

part successful . \ V « cannot , however , agree with him , that it originated " with some unruly spirits , who , being exceedingly anxious to obtain the Master ' s Degree , prevailed on some inconsiderate Master

Masons to open an illegal lodge , and to raise them to that sublime degree . " About A . D . 173 S it was comparatively easy to attain the third degree , and therefore to obtain such a distinction could not have

been the possession which a few " unruly spirits " sought , and out of which sprung the notable secession of seventy odd years . The question as to the origin of thc " Ancients" has of late been considerably

cleared of its obscurity by a series of articles in THE FREEMASON , by an accomplished Mason , styled " Thc Son of Salathiel ; " and to it we would respectfully point ourfriends

who wish for light on the subject . When read side by side with Dr . Oliver ' s work on the " Origin of the Royal Arch "—which , though essentially different , is , after all , the fullest treatise on the " Ancients" we

know of—Masonic students will find that the account by " The Son of Salathiel " is of much value , because the history of the "Seceders" is mainly considered at a time when Dr . Oliver does not appear to have been aware of their existence , probably

Brothers John Sheville And James L. Gould.

from the circumstance that open opposition to the Grand Lodge was not then attempted . Even so early as A . D . 1730 it is evident that clandestine lodges were held , and the moving spirits in the subsequent secession

were the active agents then . We are inclined to believe , with " The Son of Salathiel , " " That the opposition party was mainly composed of Operative Masons , who regarded with distrust and uneasiness the transformation of the ancient

handicraft society into an association for the cultivation of speculative science . Ex-: amples of this distrust had been shown previously , when the members of the old lodge of St . Paul ' s burnt their manuscripts ,

constitutions , and charges , to prevent them being published by Grand Master Payne . The "domatie" or working Masons resolved , therefore , to make a stand against Desaguliers , whose influence was rapidly

becoming supreme by the influx into the Order of men of birth and education , who shared his expansive ideas of establishing an universal Brotherhood upon the basis of Operative Masonry . " These views are

confirmed by the opposition to Dr . Desaguliers , the learned Frenchman , in 1723 , when his appointment as Deputy Grand Master being put to the vote only forty-three members supported the election , and forty-two

voted agamst it ! Bro . Anthony Sayer , the first Grand Master , joined the dissentients , and he had a narrow escape of being expelled from the Order in consequence . Bro . Gould takes considerable pains to decide

according to theevidence accumulated when the Grand Lodge of the " Ancients " was instituted , and considers that the deposition made by the esteemed Grand Secretary , Bro . White , ought to settle the question .

It is as follows : " In certain testimony taken by commission in England , for use in the New York difficulty some years since , Bro . White , at that time the venerable Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of

England , says under oath , in answer to a question , that the Athol or Ancient Grand Lodge was formed in 1752 . " The "Son of Salathiel " in THE FREEMASON ( Oct 15 th 1870 , ) considers that the Grand Lod g <

of England ( Ancients ) was not formed unti : 5 th December , 1753 , when Bro . Robert Turner was elected the "first Grand Master , " and quotes from the records of that extinct Grand Lodge in corroboration

thereof . We quite agree with Bro . Gould that Bros . Sandy , Preston , Mackay and others , were misinformed on this subject when stating it occurred either in 17 $ ) , 1757 , or 1772 .

In THE FREEMASON for September 17 th , 1 S 70 , wc read from the pen of the " Son of Salathiel , " that "From 1739 to 1752 the History of the ' Ancients ' is veiled in obscurity , for the very sufficient reason that

no record of their proceedings was kept until the last-mentioned year . .... It is but right to state that there was no 'Grand Lodge' according to the 'Old Institutions' all this while , the ruling powers being

the Masters of thc several lodges held in London . " The first minutes of the Seceders are dated the 5 th February , 1752 , when Bro . Laurence Dermott was appointed Grand Secretary , and in the next record , viz ., 4 th

March , A . D . 1752 , the Royal Arch degree is mentioned . The " Son of Salathiel " notices Desagulier ' s work of 1744 , which alludes to the Royal Arch . It is in our possession , and has been examined by this

excellent Mason with much satisfaction , as theexistence of Royal Arch Masonry in the third decade ofthe 18 th century is thereby almost rendered certain . As soon * as our engagements permit , we shall have a few

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