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Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS .

BY BRO . JACOB NORTON " . No one feels more grateful to Brethren whoclisinterestedlylabourfor our Instruction than Ave do . We therefore felt

exceedingly pleased to learn that Bro . Hughan ' s untiring efforts in that direction Avere in a measure reAvarcled by the distinction conferred upon him by the M . W . G-. M . of England . But while we

sincerely congratulate Bro . Hughan , and were , and are ever ready to acknowledge his services , and those of his co-labourer the Rev . Bro . Woodford , yet Ave must not alloAv even the feelings of gratitude

to overcome the feeling of duty . We also claim the pursuit of truth for truth ' s sake , and therefore deem it our duty to question and criticise the writ , ings of Brethren , regardless of their

rank , learning , or even the important services they may have rendered . With these preliminary remarks , which Ave are sure will not offend our friends , Ave shall proceed to question the dates affixed to our old undated MSS .

In the preface to Bro . Hughan ' s Old Charges , Bro . Woodford dates the Dowland MS ., as A . D . 1500 , and the Landsdown , as of 1560 , etc . NoAA , Ave would like to kiiOAv the reasons of our esteemed Brother for giving just those

dates' ? True , our Brother added the word " circa" or uncertain to those dates . But why may not those MSS . have been Avritteu in the year 1600 ? Be it further remembered , that Bro . Woodford never saw the DoAvlandMS

., a "d Mr . DoAvland who OAvned it , assures ;« that it was written , not in 1500 , but in the 17 th century . The opinion of « h ' . Dowland certainly deserves more

weight than the opinion of those who never saAV it . Besides which , the MSS . is totally minus of all allusion to the Virgin and other Roman Catholic dogmas ; it could therefore not have been written either in 1500 , or during

the reign of Philip and Mary . The Sloane MS . 3329 , " edited by Brother Woodford , if its date could he fixed with certainty , would indeed settle the question that our system of degrees is older than 1717 . Bro .

Woodford says : " I have no doubt whatever that my learned and lamented friend Mr . Wallbran was quite right Avhen he fixed the date of the MS . from

the internal evidence at not later than 1640 . " Our Brother also says , "the archaisms and peculiarities of spelling , date really and truly , from any part of the 17 th century , hut rather earlier than later . " But vet Bro . Woodford admits

that the handwriting of the said MS . is probably not earlier than 1710 ; consequently , it may have been -written in 1730 . Our Brother also admits that the writer of the MS . was an uneducated man . Further on , our Brother says :

" The narrative is not an original draft , but an evident copy , asAvitness the Avoids printed in italics , Avhich are interlined in the original , arising from a mistake of the copyist in omitting to notice the words'in form of a square' occur

, twice . " These then are all the internal evidence our Brother adduces that the MS . is a copy of a still older MS ., not later than 1640 .

NOAV , it seems to us , that the bad spelling and interlined words , may be better attributed , first to the fact admitted by Bro . Woodford , that the writer Avas an uneducated man , and secondly , the writer of that MS . may

have been duped by a sharper , AVIIO imposed all that trash upon him as Masonic secrets , and finding that he could not Avith those secrets obtain admission into a Lodge , he Avrote the instruction he received in his OAVH Avay

, but here and there he discovered mistakes , so he corrected them b y interlining the omitted . voids . i'

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Monthly Masonic Summary. Article 1
ANCIENT MASONIC LODGES, NO. IV. Article 2
THE OLD MASONIC POEM. Article 5
THE NEW MORALITY. Article 6
UNDER A MASK. Article 7
THE SEASON. Article 11
MASONIC ARCHAEOLOGY. Article 12
THE SPRIG OF ACACIA. Article 14
UNVEILED. Article 15
DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS. Article 17
JAM SATIS EST! Article 22
LET THERE BE LIGHT. Article 22
Untitled Article 23
Our Archaeological Corner. Article 24
THE SURVEY OF PALESTINE. Article 24
HOW HE LOST HER. Article 26
OLD AND NEW LODGES. Article 28
BENEFITS OF ADVERTISING. Article 29
ANCIENT CRAFT MASONRY. Article 29
THE GOOD FELLOW. Article 31
TIRED. Article 32
DISTINCTIONS OF LANGUAGE. Article 32
"BROTHERLY LOVE" WEIGHT, AND HIS TRIAL. Article 33
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Difficulty Of Ascertaining The Age Of Undated Old Masonic Mss.

DIFFICULTY OF ASCERTAINING THE AGE OF UNDATED OLD MASONIC MSS .

BY BRO . JACOB NORTON " . No one feels more grateful to Brethren whoclisinterestedlylabourfor our Instruction than Ave do . We therefore felt

exceedingly pleased to learn that Bro . Hughan ' s untiring efforts in that direction Avere in a measure reAvarcled by the distinction conferred upon him by the M . W . G-. M . of England . But while we

sincerely congratulate Bro . Hughan , and were , and are ever ready to acknowledge his services , and those of his co-labourer the Rev . Bro . Woodford , yet Ave must not alloAv even the feelings of gratitude

to overcome the feeling of duty . We also claim the pursuit of truth for truth ' s sake , and therefore deem it our duty to question and criticise the writ , ings of Brethren , regardless of their

rank , learning , or even the important services they may have rendered . With these preliminary remarks , which Ave are sure will not offend our friends , Ave shall proceed to question the dates affixed to our old undated MSS .

In the preface to Bro . Hughan ' s Old Charges , Bro . Woodford dates the Dowland MS ., as A . D . 1500 , and the Landsdown , as of 1560 , etc . NoAA , Ave would like to kiiOAv the reasons of our esteemed Brother for giving just those

dates' ? True , our Brother added the word " circa" or uncertain to those dates . But why may not those MSS . have been Avritteu in the year 1600 ? Be it further remembered , that Bro . Woodford never saw the DoAvlandMS

., a "d Mr . DoAvland who OAvned it , assures ;« that it was written , not in 1500 , but in the 17 th century . The opinion of « h ' . Dowland certainly deserves more

weight than the opinion of those who never saAV it . Besides which , the MSS . is totally minus of all allusion to the Virgin and other Roman Catholic dogmas ; it could therefore not have been written either in 1500 , or during

the reign of Philip and Mary . The Sloane MS . 3329 , " edited by Brother Woodford , if its date could he fixed with certainty , would indeed settle the question that our system of degrees is older than 1717 . Bro .

Woodford says : " I have no doubt whatever that my learned and lamented friend Mr . Wallbran was quite right Avhen he fixed the date of the MS . from

the internal evidence at not later than 1640 . " Our Brother also says , "the archaisms and peculiarities of spelling , date really and truly , from any part of the 17 th century , hut rather earlier than later . " But vet Bro . Woodford admits

that the handwriting of the said MS . is probably not earlier than 1710 ; consequently , it may have been -written in 1730 . Our Brother also admits that the writer of the MS . was an uneducated man . Further on , our Brother says :

" The narrative is not an original draft , but an evident copy , asAvitness the Avoids printed in italics , Avhich are interlined in the original , arising from a mistake of the copyist in omitting to notice the words'in form of a square' occur

, twice . " These then are all the internal evidence our Brother adduces that the MS . is a copy of a still older MS ., not later than 1640 .

NOAV , it seems to us , that the bad spelling and interlined words , may be better attributed , first to the fact admitted by Bro . Woodford , that the writer Avas an uneducated man , and secondly , the writer of that MS . may

have been duped by a sharper , AVIIO imposed all that trash upon him as Masonic secrets , and finding that he could not Avith those secrets obtain admission into a Lodge , he Avrote the instruction he received in his OAVH Avay

, but here and there he discovered mistakes , so he corrected them b y interlining the omitted . voids . i'

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