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The Masonic Miiror,

I have no indention to cast a slur on any Prov . G . M . whose . Prov . Grand Lodge is presided over by deputy , because then no injury is done to the Craft . The motion was then put and agreed to .

PROV . GKANB LODGES IN ENGLAND . Bro . Portal then moved " That the Board of General Purposes be requested to procure a return of the number of Prov . Grand Lodges held in each province during the last ten years , specifying those at which the Prov . Grand Master has presided in person , and to report the same to Grand Lodge . " Bro . Beadon doubted whether the Book of Constitutions gave them power to do anything of this kind . The return could not pass through the Board of General Purposes . He wished it to be understood that he was not ^ opposirig the return . The

Book of Constitutions gave no power to Grand Lodg-e to order this return , but the Grand Master might order copies of the minutes of the Prov . Grand Lodges so far as they showed how often those Prov . Grand Lodges had been held , and how often theProv . Gr . M . or the D . Prov . G . M . had presided . But it could not be made to the Board of General Purposes ; and yet to put the thing in that order in which it ought really to be , according to the proposal of Bro . Portal , it ought to be made to them . I have not the slightest objection to the return in any way ^ so long as it k made in the proper form , viz . at the request of the M . W . the G . M ., or of the G-rand Lodge , instead of the Board of General Purposes .

Bro . Portal : The whole point between myself arid the Brother who has just addressed you is , whether the Board of General Purposes or the Grand Lodge should get this return . I have said , in order to be more courteous , be requested , " which simply means desired to procure a return , & c , according to the Book of Constitutions , which states that the Board of General Purposes shall conduct all correspondence between Grand Lodge and the subordinate Lodges . ' « tf

Bro . Beadon : That is ^ correspondence , " this is a return , " which is quite a different thing . I shall be happy to move an amendment— " That the Grand Sec . be directed to obtain from the Prov . Grand Lodges a return of the number of Prov . Grand Lodges which have been held during the last ten years , and the names of the presiding officers . " You will find that that will be the best way . Bro . Portal was understood to agree to this , and the motion was passed unanimously . ANTAGONISM OF ROMAN" CATHOLICISM TO FREEMASONEY .

Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon , S . W . No . 10 , moved : "That Grand Lodge , having seen with regret the antagonistic position assumed by the Roman Catholic Church towards Masonry , desires the Board of General Purposes to draw up a statement of the principles of the Order , that the same be sent to the Masters of all Lodges under the Grand Lodge of England in Eonian Catholic countries , to be read by them as they shall think fit . " He said : Most Worshipful Sir and Brethren , I regret that this motion has not fallen into abler hands than mine . As the subject is so

important to the interests of Masonry , not merely in this country , but throughout the world , I regret that such a motion as this should not have been brought forward by . some Worshipful Brother upon the dais . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) His words would have fallen with far greater weight than mine can have ; but , in the absence of any one of them , I have very cheerfully undertaken the task myself . ( Hear . ) It is painful , M . W . Sir , for mo to dwell on the subject of this motionupon the persecutions which so many of our Brethren abroad have suffered . It is still more painful to me to * think that there exists at tins day a Church which

can believe that her faith is upheld , and that the cause of religion is advanced , by placing under the ban of excommunication , and by subjecting to oppressions so undeserved , those members of her communion who differ from her on no article of her faith , refuse assent to no one single dogma , but only claim the right of membership in our ancient , noble , and honourable Order . ( Loud applause . ) . But unhappily such is the case . _ The Roman Catliolic Church now , as in former times , does not hesitate to avow ita intolerance of every study and pursuit which she cannot control ; and , unfortunately , untaught by ' tradition and by the experience of

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MASONIC QUESTIONS. Article 1
THE VISIBLE SYMBOLISM OF FREEMASONRY. Article 4
HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE Article 7
MASONIC SONG. Article 10
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 11
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 12
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
WEST LANCASHIRE MASONIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. Article 17
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 18
METROPOLITAN. Article 30
PROVINCIAL. Article 43
ROYAL ARCH. Article 54
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 58
MARK MASONRY Article 59
SCOTLAND. Article 61
IRELAND Article 64
COLONIAL Article 65
AMERICA, Article 68
MASONIC FESTIVITIES Article 69
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR FEBRUARY. Article 73
Obituary. Article 79
notice. Article 79
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The Masonic Miiror,

I have no indention to cast a slur on any Prov . G . M . whose . Prov . Grand Lodge is presided over by deputy , because then no injury is done to the Craft . The motion was then put and agreed to .

PROV . GKANB LODGES IN ENGLAND . Bro . Portal then moved " That the Board of General Purposes be requested to procure a return of the number of Prov . Grand Lodges held in each province during the last ten years , specifying those at which the Prov . Grand Master has presided in person , and to report the same to Grand Lodge . " Bro . Beadon doubted whether the Book of Constitutions gave them power to do anything of this kind . The return could not pass through the Board of General Purposes . He wished it to be understood that he was not ^ opposirig the return . The

Book of Constitutions gave no power to Grand Lodg-e to order this return , but the Grand Master might order copies of the minutes of the Prov . Grand Lodges so far as they showed how often those Prov . Grand Lodges had been held , and how often theProv . Gr . M . or the D . Prov . G . M . had presided . But it could not be made to the Board of General Purposes ; and yet to put the thing in that order in which it ought really to be , according to the proposal of Bro . Portal , it ought to be made to them . I have not the slightest objection to the return in any way ^ so long as it k made in the proper form , viz . at the request of the M . W . the G . M ., or of the G-rand Lodge , instead of the Board of General Purposes .

Bro . Portal : The whole point between myself arid the Brother who has just addressed you is , whether the Board of General Purposes or the Grand Lodge should get this return . I have said , in order to be more courteous , be requested , " which simply means desired to procure a return , & c , according to the Book of Constitutions , which states that the Board of General Purposes shall conduct all correspondence between Grand Lodge and the subordinate Lodges . ' « tf

Bro . Beadon : That is ^ correspondence , " this is a return , " which is quite a different thing . I shall be happy to move an amendment— " That the Grand Sec . be directed to obtain from the Prov . Grand Lodges a return of the number of Prov . Grand Lodges which have been held during the last ten years , and the names of the presiding officers . " You will find that that will be the best way . Bro . Portal was understood to agree to this , and the motion was passed unanimously . ANTAGONISM OF ROMAN" CATHOLICISM TO FREEMASONEY .

Bro . the Earl of Carnarvon , S . W . No . 10 , moved : "That Grand Lodge , having seen with regret the antagonistic position assumed by the Roman Catholic Church towards Masonry , desires the Board of General Purposes to draw up a statement of the principles of the Order , that the same be sent to the Masters of all Lodges under the Grand Lodge of England in Eonian Catholic countries , to be read by them as they shall think fit . " He said : Most Worshipful Sir and Brethren , I regret that this motion has not fallen into abler hands than mine . As the subject is so

important to the interests of Masonry , not merely in this country , but throughout the world , I regret that such a motion as this should not have been brought forward by . some Worshipful Brother upon the dais . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) His words would have fallen with far greater weight than mine can have ; but , in the absence of any one of them , I have very cheerfully undertaken the task myself . ( Hear . ) It is painful , M . W . Sir , for mo to dwell on the subject of this motionupon the persecutions which so many of our Brethren abroad have suffered . It is still more painful to me to * think that there exists at tins day a Church which

can believe that her faith is upheld , and that the cause of religion is advanced , by placing under the ban of excommunication , and by subjecting to oppressions so undeserved , those members of her communion who differ from her on no article of her faith , refuse assent to no one single dogma , but only claim the right of membership in our ancient , noble , and honourable Order . ( Loud applause . ) . But unhappily such is the case . _ The Roman Catliolic Church now , as in former times , does not hesitate to avow ita intolerance of every study and pursuit which she cannot control ; and , unfortunately , untaught by ' tradition and by the experience of

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