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The Masonic Miiror,

• but he thought *! t better that the important question to which the worthy Brethren had referred should become the subject of a separate motion . Bro . Aria then seconded the motion as it originally stood . Bro . Havers : M . W . Sir , — During the whole of my experience , I never addressed Grand Lodge with deeper emotions than at present , for I never listened to such observations in Grand Lodge with respect to any existing religious system . It is a new thing ; in my experience to hear reproaches uttered in Grand Lodge

against any system of religion . ( Hear , hear , and cheers . ) We are taught to view the errors of mankind with compassion , and to strive , by the purity of our own conductj to demonstrate our superior- excellences . ( Applause . ) No matter what his object , if any Brother is permitted in such terms to rate the professors of another religion—that which is applicable to one is applicable to all ^ -if you rate Romanism , why not Judaism , Methodism ) and the Scotch Kirk ? ( Loud cheers and laughter . ) It is contrary to our laws , both in letter and in spirit , and opposed to the traditions of our Order . ( Applause . ) I do hope , therefore , that such

expressions will be confined within the walls of Grand Lodge ( hear , hear ); for I am perfectly convinced that they were uttered without thought and without consideration . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) Should they be taken as breathing the spirit of our Order , we shall have cut away one of our foundations ; and I am sure that I shal 1 carry with me the hearts and feelings of all when I say that , as Masons , we must not , on any account , vilify the religion of any one of our Brethren . ( Lond and protracted applause . ) I entirely agree , however , with the noble Brother who has moved this resolution , in deploring the intolerance of any

religion which can refuse its consolations to members of our Society . ( Hear , hear . ) We know , and we are proud to acknowledge , that we interfere with no man ' s religion or politics . ( Loud cheers . ) I am treading now on delicate and dangerous ground ( hear ) , but if you will give me your indulgence I shall be able to show you not only that this motion cannot be carried out , but that the plan proposed is utterly inadequate to accomplish the objects desired , viz . the condemnation and diminution of persecution . ( Hear . ) The means by which this object is proposed

to be accomplished are , that the Board of General Purposes should draw up a statement of the principles of Freemasonry . What power has the Board of General Purposes to draw up such a statement , and what statement can they draw up superior to " the Charge " which already exists ? ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) Is there anything which the Board of General Purposes knows which every Freemason does not know ? ( Applause . ) Then , what do you propose to do with this statement ? Certain Brethren complain that they are persecuted for being

Freemasons . What do you propose to do with this statement ? Are you going to send it to the persecutors ? No ! You are going to send it to the victims of the persecution . ( Hear , hear . ) You are going to send it to the Masters of those foreign Lodges , that they may read it when and where they think fit . Do you suppose that they want to be instructed in the fundamental principles of our Order ? The priests are the persecutors , and they are only carrying out their orders . I have taken some pains to inquire into this subject , and the result has been that I

have found , from persons of the Roman Catholic persuasion in this country , that there are many Komish priests who approve of our principles , but they have no discretionary power to offer the rites of their church to those who are Freemasons , because every man who is a Mason , is de f acto excommunicated . [ Lord Carnarvon was here understood to intimate that he was aware of that fact . ] The noble Lord says he is aware of that fact ; and , being aware of it , I can only express my surprise that he should have made such a motion as that which has now been

placed upon our books . We should not remonstrate with individual priests , but with the Pope himself . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) We ought to get some Brother to represent the matter who has some interest with him . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) The remarks of the Brother , who seconded the resolution , have great force , and should he bring forward his resolution , I shall be happy to support it ; but there we take a totally opposite line : we are remonstrating with members of our own Order for violating one of the fundamental principles of our Order , and yielding to religious prejudices . The same thing is complained of by our Jewish Brethren as by our Boman Catholic Brethren . Eeference is made in

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MASONIC QUESTIONS. Article 1
THE VISIBLE SYMBOLISM OF FREEMASONRY. Article 4
HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE Article 7
MASONIC SONG. Article 10
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 11
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 12
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
WEST LANCASHIRE MASONIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. Article 17
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 18
METROPOLITAN. Article 30
PROVINCIAL. Article 43
ROYAL ARCH. Article 54
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 58
MARK MASONRY Article 59
SCOTLAND. Article 61
IRELAND Article 64
COLONIAL Article 65
AMERICA, Article 68
MASONIC FESTIVITIES Article 69
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR FEBRUARY. Article 73
Obituary. Article 79
notice. Article 79
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The Masonic Miiror,

• but he thought *! t better that the important question to which the worthy Brethren had referred should become the subject of a separate motion . Bro . Aria then seconded the motion as it originally stood . Bro . Havers : M . W . Sir , — During the whole of my experience , I never addressed Grand Lodge with deeper emotions than at present , for I never listened to such observations in Grand Lodge with respect to any existing religious system . It is a new thing ; in my experience to hear reproaches uttered in Grand Lodge

against any system of religion . ( Hear , hear , and cheers . ) We are taught to view the errors of mankind with compassion , and to strive , by the purity of our own conductj to demonstrate our superior- excellences . ( Applause . ) No matter what his object , if any Brother is permitted in such terms to rate the professors of another religion—that which is applicable to one is applicable to all ^ -if you rate Romanism , why not Judaism , Methodism ) and the Scotch Kirk ? ( Loud cheers and laughter . ) It is contrary to our laws , both in letter and in spirit , and opposed to the traditions of our Order . ( Applause . ) I do hope , therefore , that such

expressions will be confined within the walls of Grand Lodge ( hear , hear ); for I am perfectly convinced that they were uttered without thought and without consideration . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) Should they be taken as breathing the spirit of our Order , we shall have cut away one of our foundations ; and I am sure that I shal 1 carry with me the hearts and feelings of all when I say that , as Masons , we must not , on any account , vilify the religion of any one of our Brethren . ( Lond and protracted applause . ) I entirely agree , however , with the noble Brother who has moved this resolution , in deploring the intolerance of any

religion which can refuse its consolations to members of our Society . ( Hear , hear . ) We know , and we are proud to acknowledge , that we interfere with no man ' s religion or politics . ( Loud cheers . ) I am treading now on delicate and dangerous ground ( hear ) , but if you will give me your indulgence I shall be able to show you not only that this motion cannot be carried out , but that the plan proposed is utterly inadequate to accomplish the objects desired , viz . the condemnation and diminution of persecution . ( Hear . ) The means by which this object is proposed

to be accomplished are , that the Board of General Purposes should draw up a statement of the principles of Freemasonry . What power has the Board of General Purposes to draw up such a statement , and what statement can they draw up superior to " the Charge " which already exists ? ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) Is there anything which the Board of General Purposes knows which every Freemason does not know ? ( Applause . ) Then , what do you propose to do with this statement ? Certain Brethren complain that they are persecuted for being

Freemasons . What do you propose to do with this statement ? Are you going to send it to the persecutors ? No ! You are going to send it to the victims of the persecution . ( Hear , hear . ) You are going to send it to the Masters of those foreign Lodges , that they may read it when and where they think fit . Do you suppose that they want to be instructed in the fundamental principles of our Order ? The priests are the persecutors , and they are only carrying out their orders . I have taken some pains to inquire into this subject , and the result has been that I

have found , from persons of the Roman Catholic persuasion in this country , that there are many Komish priests who approve of our principles , but they have no discretionary power to offer the rites of their church to those who are Freemasons , because every man who is a Mason , is de f acto excommunicated . [ Lord Carnarvon was here understood to intimate that he was aware of that fact . ] The noble Lord says he is aware of that fact ; and , being aware of it , I can only express my surprise that he should have made such a motion as that which has now been

placed upon our books . We should not remonstrate with individual priests , but with the Pope himself . ( Hear , hear , and laughter . ) We ought to get some Brother to represent the matter who has some interest with him . ( Hear , hear , and applause . ) The remarks of the Brother , who seconded the resolution , have great force , and should he bring forward his resolution , I shall be happy to support it ; but there we take a totally opposite line : we are remonstrating with members of our own Order for violating one of the fundamental principles of our Order , and yielding to religious prejudices . The same thing is complained of by our Jewish Brethren as by our Boman Catholic Brethren . Eeference is made in

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