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The Masonic Miiror,

posed by the noble Brother might possibly not accomplish any great amount of good , but it could not be productive of harm amongst the popular world who were not Masons , that such a statement should be . officially and authoritatively issued as an exposition of our principles . There was a vast amount of ignorance as to what Preemasonry really was . He agreed with Bro . Savers that it would not be right to interfere in purely Roman Catholic countries , and in the case of

Lodges not holding under our constitution . ' ' But the Island of Trinidad wasneither in South America nor in Spain . It was a British possession , and we had a specific coihplamt from a Lodge in it holding under the Grrand Lodge of England . ( Hear , hear . ) A proposal like this aimed no insult at any specific religion , and he would not have supported it if it did . On these grounds he appealed to them not to be led away by the eloquence of Bro . Havers . ( Laughter and . . applause . )/' .: . -w :: ;¦ .

Bro . James Mason Said , that although as Masons they could not discuss religious dogmas , yet-they were not forbidden to sympathize with Brethren in affliction , or to express that sympathy when occasion offered . If the Church of England were to attempt any such interference in this country , he hoped that there was no doubt but that every Brother would give vent to the principles of Ereemasonry , and exercise Hs powers to the utmost to prevent any interposition on the part of

any Church , between the privileges of Ereemasonry and the privileges of religion . Although they could not discuss the forms of any Church , yet when that Church placed itself in direct antagonism to Freemasonry , they had a most undoubted right to let that Church know , and let the whole world know ., what the grand principles of Ereemasonry were ; and he could not conceive any evil whatever which could arise from the adoption of such a course . ( Hear , hear . )

The Bev . Bro . J . E . Cox : The Church of Borne declares itself infallible , and must therefore continue to oppose Cur Order , as it has done . ( Hear . ) The Brother * who has said that our principles are not known to the Roman Church , is wrong . The Romish priests understand what are the principles of Freemasonry as well as any Brother in this room ; and it is rather because of , than for want of , that information , that they act towards us as they do . As surely as any resolution of this kind should be carried out and sent to Roman Catholic countries , so

surely will it become the cause of an aggravation of that persecution which is now complained of . ' ( Hear , hear , and cheering . ) I am satisfied of this , that the only course we can pursue in this case , is to do as we did in the case of the Mauritius Brethren—to pass a resolution expressive of our heartfelt sympathy with them . { Applause . ) The Romish priesthood have a certain course to take , and they will take it , and no statement read to them will make them alter their

system . ( Hear , hear . ) I earnestly therefore , entreat Grand Lodge not to adopt the proposition before it , as it would only tend to increase the existing persecution of the Brethren , and to aggravate the annoyances to which they are at present subjected . IsTo one felt more for their Roman Catholic Brethren than he did ; . but he knew that this motion , if carried out , would only injure those whom it was intended to benefit . ( Applause . ) The Rev . Bro . Portal , who was assailed with boisterous calls for a division on every hand , said he had mixed with Roman Catholics to some extent , both in this country and on the Continent , and he could assure the Brethren that much

misapprehension prevailed amongst them as to what Freemasonry was . He had found Roman Catholics shrink from him when they found he was a Freemason . They said , " You are a Mason ? You Masons stir up sedition wherever you go I " ( Loud laughter and applause . ) He said , "We don't do anything of the sort . " ( Hear , hear . ) There was a great difference between the de facto excommunication under which all Roman Catholic Masons are supposed to lie , and excommunication in the ordinary acceptation of the term . He had met with a Roman Catholic Brother once at a place on the Continent , and asked him how he managed in this

respect . His reply was , " Oh ! my priest is a good fellow . " ( Applause and laughter , ) He maintained , therefore , that such a brief statement as that which had been referred to would do good . Bro . Lord Pamnure , who was received with loud applause , said : I think Grand Lodge would fall into a great error if they passed this ' motion . ( Hear ,

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MASONIC QUESTIONS. Article 1
THE VISIBLE SYMBOLISM OF FREEMASONRY. Article 4
HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE Article 7
MASONIC SONG. Article 10
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 11
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 12
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
WEST LANCASHIRE MASONIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. Article 17
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 18
METROPOLITAN. Article 30
PROVINCIAL. Article 43
ROYAL ARCH. Article 54
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 58
MARK MASONRY Article 59
SCOTLAND. Article 61
IRELAND Article 64
COLONIAL Article 65
AMERICA, Article 68
MASONIC FESTIVITIES Article 69
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR FEBRUARY. Article 73
Obituary. Article 79
notice. Article 79
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The Masonic Miiror,

posed by the noble Brother might possibly not accomplish any great amount of good , but it could not be productive of harm amongst the popular world who were not Masons , that such a statement should be . officially and authoritatively issued as an exposition of our principles . There was a vast amount of ignorance as to what Preemasonry really was . He agreed with Bro . Savers that it would not be right to interfere in purely Roman Catholic countries , and in the case of

Lodges not holding under our constitution . ' ' But the Island of Trinidad wasneither in South America nor in Spain . It was a British possession , and we had a specific coihplamt from a Lodge in it holding under the Grrand Lodge of England . ( Hear , hear . ) A proposal like this aimed no insult at any specific religion , and he would not have supported it if it did . On these grounds he appealed to them not to be led away by the eloquence of Bro . Havers . ( Laughter and . . applause . )/' .: . -w :: ;¦ .

Bro . James Mason Said , that although as Masons they could not discuss religious dogmas , yet-they were not forbidden to sympathize with Brethren in affliction , or to express that sympathy when occasion offered . If the Church of England were to attempt any such interference in this country , he hoped that there was no doubt but that every Brother would give vent to the principles of Ereemasonry , and exercise Hs powers to the utmost to prevent any interposition on the part of

any Church , between the privileges of Ereemasonry and the privileges of religion . Although they could not discuss the forms of any Church , yet when that Church placed itself in direct antagonism to Freemasonry , they had a most undoubted right to let that Church know , and let the whole world know ., what the grand principles of Ereemasonry were ; and he could not conceive any evil whatever which could arise from the adoption of such a course . ( Hear , hear . )

The Bev . Bro . J . E . Cox : The Church of Borne declares itself infallible , and must therefore continue to oppose Cur Order , as it has done . ( Hear . ) The Brother * who has said that our principles are not known to the Roman Church , is wrong . The Romish priests understand what are the principles of Freemasonry as well as any Brother in this room ; and it is rather because of , than for want of , that information , that they act towards us as they do . As surely as any resolution of this kind should be carried out and sent to Roman Catholic countries , so

surely will it become the cause of an aggravation of that persecution which is now complained of . ' ( Hear , hear , and cheering . ) I am satisfied of this , that the only course we can pursue in this case , is to do as we did in the case of the Mauritius Brethren—to pass a resolution expressive of our heartfelt sympathy with them . { Applause . ) The Romish priesthood have a certain course to take , and they will take it , and no statement read to them will make them alter their

system . ( Hear , hear . ) I earnestly therefore , entreat Grand Lodge not to adopt the proposition before it , as it would only tend to increase the existing persecution of the Brethren , and to aggravate the annoyances to which they are at present subjected . IsTo one felt more for their Roman Catholic Brethren than he did ; . but he knew that this motion , if carried out , would only injure those whom it was intended to benefit . ( Applause . ) The Rev . Bro . Portal , who was assailed with boisterous calls for a division on every hand , said he had mixed with Roman Catholics to some extent , both in this country and on the Continent , and he could assure the Brethren that much

misapprehension prevailed amongst them as to what Freemasonry was . He had found Roman Catholics shrink from him when they found he was a Freemason . They said , " You are a Mason ? You Masons stir up sedition wherever you go I " ( Loud laughter and applause . ) He said , "We don't do anything of the sort . " ( Hear , hear . ) There was a great difference between the de facto excommunication under which all Roman Catholic Masons are supposed to lie , and excommunication in the ordinary acceptation of the term . He had met with a Roman Catholic Brother once at a place on the Continent , and asked him how he managed in this

respect . His reply was , " Oh ! my priest is a good fellow . " ( Applause and laughter , ) He maintained , therefore , that such a brief statement as that which had been referred to would do good . Bro . Lord Pamnure , who was received with loud applause , said : I think Grand Lodge would fall into a great error if they passed this ' motion . ( Hear ,

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