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The Masonic Miiror,

I own province was almost in a state of rebellion ( hear , and laughter ) , not from any fault of their excellent Prov . G-. M . ( applause ) > than whom no man had done more for the Craft in Hampshire ; but not all his influence , personal and Masonic , could stop rebellion there , unless there was free and full discussion in Grand Lodge , which could only be obtained by having as many meetings as Were necessary for the transaction of the business . No motion ought to be burked by reading such a ridiculous amount of nonsense as so long occupied the attention of the last Grand Lodge . ( Laughter ) .

Bro . Binckes seconded this amendment because it was more respectful to the M . W . the Grand Master .

Bro . Hall said this motion , if carried , must either produce great good or great evih He had his fears about it . They should not lightly make any alteration in their laws . The power of adjournment would imply that the Grand Master had not sufficient powers , or else that he abused them—either that he could not call special Lodges to wipe off arrears of business , or else that he would not do so . But he thought that the Grand Master had sufficient power , and that there was no fear of his abusing it . ( Applause . ) There was no reason to suppose that he would ever neglect or refuse to call a Grand Lodge of Emergency whenever the

necessity of the case required it . ( Loud calls for a division . ) He could only s a ^ that if this motion was carried , he doubted whether his Lordship would continuCr to fill that chair . ( Divide , divide . ) Since 1850 , only six instances had occurred in which Grand Lodge had not concluded in time , and up to March , 185 ^ was not one instance of it . ( Applause . ) On that occasion a special Grand Lodge was called to dispose of the arrears of business . In the cases of the last three Grand Lodges of 1556 , Lodges of Emergency were necessary , and there had been no

hesitation on the part of the Grand Master to call Grand Lodges of Emergency . To have Grand Lodge too frequently would encourage that spirit of discussion , or rather , he might say , disputation ( hear , hear ) , which he grieved to see creeping in . ( Hear . ) He would be sorry to oppose the amendment of any law the working of which was shown to be prejudicial ; but these frequent changes were very injurious . It was not more than three years ago that the Constitutions underwent

a complete revision . ( Hear , hear . ) As to this love of debating , there were plenty of other places where those Brethren who were so gifted with the powers of oratory might exercise them . ( Loud and protracted shouts of disapprobation greeted this remark . ) The worthy Brother tried in vain to continue his observations , but after this Grand Lodge would not listen to him . Bro . Binckes rose to order , and complained of the time being wasted .

Bro . Aria repudiated the idea that the motion had any reference to the present Grand Master . It was not a personal question . Nor was it any infringement on the privileges of the Grand Master . This motion would give general satisfaction . As to altering our laws and constitutions , when it was decided to have four Quarterly Communications in the year , such a pressure of business as they now experienced was never anticipated .

Bro . Taylor , No . 21 , opposed the motion . During the last twenty-one years there had been thirteen Lodges of Emergency ; but only three of them were really required for business , the others were votes of condolence or of congratulation , and in connection with the revision of the constitutions . During the past seven years there had been thirty-five Grand Lodges , of which twenty-eight had been concluded before eleven o ' clock . The necessity for this motion to take the power out of the hands of the Grand Master , and give Grand Lodge the power of

adjournment , had not been shown . Such a change m the fundamental laws of the Order would be very disastrous , as it would virtually exclude the Masters of country Lodges from participating in their discussions . ( Hear , hear , and cries of no , no . ) The motion before ( hand Lodge would enable them to meet week by week , and even day by day . ( No , no , and disapprobation . ) There was no limitation in the terms of the motion . ( Divide , divide . ) It would introduce discord and dissension . ( Cries of no , no , and sit down , sit down . )' Brother the Lord Panmuro said : There are two motions before Grand Lodge , the original motion which is only standing for a division as a matter of form , and the other is the proposition which has been brought before you as an amendment ,

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MASONIC QUESTIONS. Article 1
THE VISIBLE SYMBOLISM OF FREEMASONRY. Article 4
HISTORY OF THE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE Article 7
MASONIC SONG. Article 10
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 11
THE BOYS' SCHOOL. Article 12
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 13
WEST LANCASHIRE MASONIC EDUCATIONAL INSTITUTION. Article 17
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 18
METROPOLITAN. Article 30
PROVINCIAL. Article 43
ROYAL ARCH. Article 54
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 58
MARK MASONRY Article 59
SCOTLAND. Article 61
IRELAND Article 64
COLONIAL Article 65
AMERICA, Article 68
MASONIC FESTIVITIES Article 69
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR FEBRUARY. Article 73
Obituary. Article 79
notice. Article 79
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The Masonic Miiror,

I own province was almost in a state of rebellion ( hear , and laughter ) , not from any fault of their excellent Prov . G-. M . ( applause ) > than whom no man had done more for the Craft in Hampshire ; but not all his influence , personal and Masonic , could stop rebellion there , unless there was free and full discussion in Grand Lodge , which could only be obtained by having as many meetings as Were necessary for the transaction of the business . No motion ought to be burked by reading such a ridiculous amount of nonsense as so long occupied the attention of the last Grand Lodge . ( Laughter ) .

Bro . Binckes seconded this amendment because it was more respectful to the M . W . the Grand Master .

Bro . Hall said this motion , if carried , must either produce great good or great evih He had his fears about it . They should not lightly make any alteration in their laws . The power of adjournment would imply that the Grand Master had not sufficient powers , or else that he abused them—either that he could not call special Lodges to wipe off arrears of business , or else that he would not do so . But he thought that the Grand Master had sufficient power , and that there was no fear of his abusing it . ( Applause . ) There was no reason to suppose that he would ever neglect or refuse to call a Grand Lodge of Emergency whenever the

necessity of the case required it . ( Loud calls for a division . ) He could only s a ^ that if this motion was carried , he doubted whether his Lordship would continuCr to fill that chair . ( Divide , divide . ) Since 1850 , only six instances had occurred in which Grand Lodge had not concluded in time , and up to March , 185 ^ was not one instance of it . ( Applause . ) On that occasion a special Grand Lodge was called to dispose of the arrears of business . In the cases of the last three Grand Lodges of 1556 , Lodges of Emergency were necessary , and there had been no

hesitation on the part of the Grand Master to call Grand Lodges of Emergency . To have Grand Lodge too frequently would encourage that spirit of discussion , or rather , he might say , disputation ( hear , hear ) , which he grieved to see creeping in . ( Hear . ) He would be sorry to oppose the amendment of any law the working of which was shown to be prejudicial ; but these frequent changes were very injurious . It was not more than three years ago that the Constitutions underwent

a complete revision . ( Hear , hear . ) As to this love of debating , there were plenty of other places where those Brethren who were so gifted with the powers of oratory might exercise them . ( Loud and protracted shouts of disapprobation greeted this remark . ) The worthy Brother tried in vain to continue his observations , but after this Grand Lodge would not listen to him . Bro . Binckes rose to order , and complained of the time being wasted .

Bro . Aria repudiated the idea that the motion had any reference to the present Grand Master . It was not a personal question . Nor was it any infringement on the privileges of the Grand Master . This motion would give general satisfaction . As to altering our laws and constitutions , when it was decided to have four Quarterly Communications in the year , such a pressure of business as they now experienced was never anticipated .

Bro . Taylor , No . 21 , opposed the motion . During the last twenty-one years there had been thirteen Lodges of Emergency ; but only three of them were really required for business , the others were votes of condolence or of congratulation , and in connection with the revision of the constitutions . During the past seven years there had been thirty-five Grand Lodges , of which twenty-eight had been concluded before eleven o ' clock . The necessity for this motion to take the power out of the hands of the Grand Master , and give Grand Lodge the power of

adjournment , had not been shown . Such a change m the fundamental laws of the Order would be very disastrous , as it would virtually exclude the Masters of country Lodges from participating in their discussions . ( Hear , hear , and cries of no , no . ) The motion before ( hand Lodge would enable them to meet week by week , and even day by day . ( No , no , and disapprobation . ) There was no limitation in the terms of the motion . ( Divide , divide . ) It would introduce discord and dissension . ( Cries of no , no , and sit down , sit down . )' Brother the Lord Panmuro said : There are two motions before Grand Lodge , the original motion which is only standing for a division as a matter of form , and the other is the proposition which has been brought before you as an amendment ,

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