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The Masonic Mieior.

"It is not so" ) . ; ' but at the same time he denied that the report had been framed with any disregard to the privileges of the M . W . the G . M . Nor had that report been Framed in any dictatorial spirit . ( Hear , hear . ) Nor had they at all desired to interfere with the privileges of Grand Lodge . ( Hear . ) He was quite satisfied that if this opinion had not been expressed , the question might have been delayed for three months , or perhaps for six months , and the only result

would have been the utterance of the same opinion by the Colonial Board in December , after going through the usual routine . The Colonial Board had expressed their opinions , and it was , of course , for Grand Lodge to adopt those opinions or not , as it thought proper . The Board could not object to have its expressed opinion freely discussed . At the Board of General Purposes we cau write into the country and get information in twenty-four hours or so ; there is none of that delay which must necessarily arise in connection with the Colonial

Board . The Colonial Board , in communicating with the parties , would occupy a far longer space , and three , six , or even nine months would perhaps elapse before the subject could again come before Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) He thought , therefore , that it was better that the Colonial Board should have this power of expressing an opinion—a prima facie opinion—to Grand Lodge on the merits of cases which come under their consideration . He concluded by declaring it to be

his firm conviction , that the report of the Colonial Board had been conceived in no dictatorial spirit , but with every respect to Grand Lodge , and with no desire whatever to entrench upon its privileges . He repudiated , on the part of the Board , that spirit of insubordinatiou which had been imputed to it , and declared that it desired to act in harmony with the Grand Lodge , and with due respect and obedience to the M . W . G . M .

Bro . Henderson said , the Brother who just had sat down had given himself the unnecessary trouble of defending the Colonial Board . No one would accuse them of intentional disrespect either to the Grand Master or Grand Lodge . The question was simply and purely a question of discipline ; the Colonial Board was appointed like the ^ Bpard of General Purposes ( for which it was a mere

substitution for cerfcainrpur ^ oses ) , to carry into execution under the direction of Grand Lodge the matters'into to it . The Grand Lodge had reserved to itself alone the power of expressing opinions and arriving at decisions . He protested against any Board of this kind departing from its legitimate executive functions into the expression of mere opinions .

Bro . Mason thought that the Grand Master had good reason to exclaim , " Save me from my friends , " after such a speech as that of Bro . Havers . It was of no use denying that there had been short-comings , and it would be injudicious to conceal the fact in order to screen any Brother , however high his office , however exalted his position , however much they might regard him . He thought also that the Colonial Board had done perfectly right , and required no defence at the hands of anybody . He believed that Board had acted judiciously , and that they woutd be doing very wrong in rejecting any portion of their report . ( Loud cries of

"Divide , divide , divide . ) ' f Bro . H . G } . Warren ] : " Moslb Worshipful Sir , before you divide I wish to ask you a question on a point of order . Is it regular that a copy of a report such as this should be in the hands of any Brother before it is presented to Grand Lodge ?* ( Cries of « Hear , hear . " ) It has never been intended , I think , that any person should have a copy of such reports as these , although they are presented to the Board of Masters , till they are brought under the consideration , of the whole body . One Brother ought not to have greater facilities than another in these matters . "

The R . WJD . G . M ., Lord Panmure , said : "lean hardly see that there is a point of order involved in the question . If the Brother has any accusation or charge to bring againsb any Officer for having given to any particular Brother the copy of any document , out of order , he had better make it . But I don't see how we can deal with the mere abstract question . "

* Bro . Havers had a copy of the report of the Colonial Board in his hand whilst speaking .

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1857-10-01, Page 38” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 21 June 2025, django:8000/periodicals/mmr/issues/frm_01101857/page/38/.
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GRAND LODGE AND THE CANADAS. Article 1
CHIVALRY. Article 4
THE STRANGER, THE FATHERLESS, AND THE WIDOW. Article 12
MASONIC EXCURSION TO BOSLIN CASTLE. Article 13
CORRESPONDENCE Article 27
THE SPIRIT OF MASONRY. Article 31
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 32
METROPOLITAN. Article 45
PROVINCIAL. Article 47
ROYAL ARCH. Article 61
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR Article 62
MARK MASONRY Article 62
SCOTLAND Article 66
COLONIAL. Article 68
AMERICA Article 73
INDIA. Article 74
The choice of Smyrna as a site for a British hospital during the late war has been, under Providence* the means of planting Masonry in a truly rich soil. Amongst the civil and military staff attached to the important station were a few most zealous Brethren, who, under great difficulties, managed to muster enough to work: as a Lodge of Instruction, as often a quiet evening could be taken from the urgent duties of the hospital. One by one Brethren were discovered, of various languages and nationalities; but so powerful had been the social persecution—to TURKEY. Article 76
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR SEPTEMBER Article 76
Obituary. Article 80
NOTICE. Article 83
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The Masonic Mieior.

"It is not so" ) . ; ' but at the same time he denied that the report had been framed with any disregard to the privileges of the M . W . the G . M . Nor had that report been Framed in any dictatorial spirit . ( Hear , hear . ) Nor had they at all desired to interfere with the privileges of Grand Lodge . ( Hear . ) He was quite satisfied that if this opinion had not been expressed , the question might have been delayed for three months , or perhaps for six months , and the only result

would have been the utterance of the same opinion by the Colonial Board in December , after going through the usual routine . The Colonial Board had expressed their opinions , and it was , of course , for Grand Lodge to adopt those opinions or not , as it thought proper . The Board could not object to have its expressed opinion freely discussed . At the Board of General Purposes we cau write into the country and get information in twenty-four hours or so ; there is none of that delay which must necessarily arise in connection with the Colonial

Board . The Colonial Board , in communicating with the parties , would occupy a far longer space , and three , six , or even nine months would perhaps elapse before the subject could again come before Grand Lodge . ( Hear , hear . ) He thought , therefore , that it was better that the Colonial Board should have this power of expressing an opinion—a prima facie opinion—to Grand Lodge on the merits of cases which come under their consideration . He concluded by declaring it to be

his firm conviction , that the report of the Colonial Board had been conceived in no dictatorial spirit , but with every respect to Grand Lodge , and with no desire whatever to entrench upon its privileges . He repudiated , on the part of the Board , that spirit of insubordinatiou which had been imputed to it , and declared that it desired to act in harmony with the Grand Lodge , and with due respect and obedience to the M . W . G . M .

Bro . Henderson said , the Brother who just had sat down had given himself the unnecessary trouble of defending the Colonial Board . No one would accuse them of intentional disrespect either to the Grand Master or Grand Lodge . The question was simply and purely a question of discipline ; the Colonial Board was appointed like the ^ Bpard of General Purposes ( for which it was a mere

substitution for cerfcainrpur ^ oses ) , to carry into execution under the direction of Grand Lodge the matters'into to it . The Grand Lodge had reserved to itself alone the power of expressing opinions and arriving at decisions . He protested against any Board of this kind departing from its legitimate executive functions into the expression of mere opinions .

Bro . Mason thought that the Grand Master had good reason to exclaim , " Save me from my friends , " after such a speech as that of Bro . Havers . It was of no use denying that there had been short-comings , and it would be injudicious to conceal the fact in order to screen any Brother , however high his office , however exalted his position , however much they might regard him . He thought also that the Colonial Board had done perfectly right , and required no defence at the hands of anybody . He believed that Board had acted judiciously , and that they woutd be doing very wrong in rejecting any portion of their report . ( Loud cries of

"Divide , divide , divide . ) ' f Bro . H . G } . Warren ] : " Moslb Worshipful Sir , before you divide I wish to ask you a question on a point of order . Is it regular that a copy of a report such as this should be in the hands of any Brother before it is presented to Grand Lodge ?* ( Cries of « Hear , hear . " ) It has never been intended , I think , that any person should have a copy of such reports as these , although they are presented to the Board of Masters , till they are brought under the consideration , of the whole body . One Brother ought not to have greater facilities than another in these matters . "

The R . WJD . G . M ., Lord Panmure , said : "lean hardly see that there is a point of order involved in the question . If the Brother has any accusation or charge to bring againsb any Officer for having given to any particular Brother the copy of any document , out of order , he had better make it . But I don't see how we can deal with the mere abstract question . "

* Bro . Havers had a copy of the report of the Colonial Board in his hand whilst speaking .

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