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The Masonic Mieior.

Bro . H . G . Warren : " My question is merely whether , if I or any other Brother want a copy of any particular document , we can go and get it ; or whether some other Brother can , and we can not ? I wish to know , therefore , whether , if I want a document , I have the power of going and asking for it ? " \ The B . W . D ; G . M ., Lord Panmure : "I have no hesitation in answering that question . The Brother has , undoubtedly , the power of asking for any document he

pleases . ( Cheers . ) It may be given or refused . ( Laughter . ) And if it should be refused to him and granted to another , he would have just grounds for complaint . ( Laughter , and cries of " Hear , hear " . ) Before the question is put , I may say that I certainly am of opinion that the paragraphs which are moved not to be adopted and recorded on our minutes , are paragraphs which do not at all affect the subjects upon which the Colonial Board is called upon to report ; but I am distinctly of opinion that they tend to revive old sores , by re verting to matters which , as far

as I can understand the proceedings of Grand Lodge in March last , were agreed to be forgotten , ( Hear , hear . ) The Cr . M , having admitted that he was riot entirely free from blame for the past , and having presented to Grand Lodge an ultimatum , which was sent to the Brethren in Canada , and which Grand Lodge pronounced to be a sufficient purgation for anything which jnight have passed ,- —Brethren , the G . M . having done this , not in a corner , not in His closet upstairs , but openly in the face of Grand Lodge , and in the face of the Craft , I say , distinctly , that

paragraph No . 3 of the Report is merely a repetition of the charges made and met in March last—met in a manner which Grand Lodge then pronounced to be satisfactory ; and I cannot conceive any conduct more ungenerous on the part of any public body , and more especially on the part of a ' Masonic ' body , than , in the absence of the G . M ., to adopt such a report as this , containing as . it does a clause which undoubtedly goes back to former times , and condemns former conduct . The whole of these paragraphs are the expression

of the opinion to us of a body whose opinion we didn't ask . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Portal has said that this report was to have been entered on the minutes , and not adopted . But the formal motion is , that the report be adopted and entered on the minutes , and I imagine that it is but a puerile difference to draw whether you adoj > t this report or let it stand upon the minutes , with grave charges against the G . M . and certain other Officers not named . ( Hear , hear . ) Whilst it contains those charges , it matters nothing whether it is formally

adopted or merely entered on the minutes . It states certain acts which Grand Lodge passed over months ago , considering the amende made by the G . M . satisfactory . These acts ought not to be raked up and again condemned now , when we know that it is impossible to stay the hand of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Canada West in the act which it is about to do . I am not so sure , Brethren , that the course which the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West is about to take is entirely owing to the neglect of the Grand Lodge of England . ( Hear ., hear ) . It

is admitted in this very document that there are other and internal causes , including the great and rapidly increasing power and influence of the irregular Grand Lodge ; and there are still other internal causes to account for the present position of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West . ( Hear , hear . ) Some of its members desire to have an independent G rand Lodge for Canada . The independent Grand Lodge has actually been recognized by the Grand Lodge of Ireland , and has become the rallying point of all those who sought to be independent of

the Grand luodge of England . My conviction is , that , when the truth comes to be known , we shall find ( though I don't excuse it , mark you ) that the neglect of Grand Lodge in years past has been made somewhat of a stalking-horse by those who wished to throw off their allegiance to the Grand Lodge of England , and adopt a new allegiance to an independent Grand Lodge . . This paper goes further in this paragraph , and invites us to do what ? Why it invites us , by all the means

in our power , to allay distrust and prevent separation , by adopting such means as the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West may suggest . It is admitted that these proposals , which the G . M . has sent out , would , three years ago , have been sufficient , and would have left no excuse to those who wished to separate from us . If so , why were they not sufficient in May last ? The independent Grand Lodge in Canada appears to have been determined on ; and , in my opinion , no terms or

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GRAND LODGE AND THE CANADAS. Article 1
CHIVALRY. Article 4
THE STRANGER, THE FATHERLESS, AND THE WIDOW. Article 12
MASONIC EXCURSION TO BOSLIN CASTLE. Article 13
CORRESPONDENCE Article 27
THE SPIRIT OF MASONRY. Article 31
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 32
METROPOLITAN. Article 45
PROVINCIAL. Article 47
ROYAL ARCH. Article 61
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR Article 62
MARK MASONRY Article 62
SCOTLAND Article 66
COLONIAL. Article 68
AMERICA Article 73
INDIA. Article 74
The choice of Smyrna as a site for a British hospital during the late war has been, under Providence* the means of planting Masonry in a truly rich soil. Amongst the civil and military staff attached to the important station were a few most zealous Brethren, who, under great difficulties, managed to muster enough to work: as a Lodge of Instruction, as often a quiet evening could be taken from the urgent duties of the hospital. One by one Brethren were discovered, of various languages and nationalities; but so powerful had been the social persecution—to TURKEY. Article 76
SUMMARY OF NEWS FOR SEPTEMBER Article 76
Obituary. Article 80
NOTICE. Article 83
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The Masonic Mieior.

Bro . H . G . Warren : " My question is merely whether , if I or any other Brother want a copy of any particular document , we can go and get it ; or whether some other Brother can , and we can not ? I wish to know , therefore , whether , if I want a document , I have the power of going and asking for it ? " \ The B . W . D ; G . M ., Lord Panmure : "I have no hesitation in answering that question . The Brother has , undoubtedly , the power of asking for any document he

pleases . ( Cheers . ) It may be given or refused . ( Laughter . ) And if it should be refused to him and granted to another , he would have just grounds for complaint . ( Laughter , and cries of " Hear , hear " . ) Before the question is put , I may say that I certainly am of opinion that the paragraphs which are moved not to be adopted and recorded on our minutes , are paragraphs which do not at all affect the subjects upon which the Colonial Board is called upon to report ; but I am distinctly of opinion that they tend to revive old sores , by re verting to matters which , as far

as I can understand the proceedings of Grand Lodge in March last , were agreed to be forgotten , ( Hear , hear . ) The Cr . M , having admitted that he was riot entirely free from blame for the past , and having presented to Grand Lodge an ultimatum , which was sent to the Brethren in Canada , and which Grand Lodge pronounced to be a sufficient purgation for anything which jnight have passed ,- —Brethren , the G . M . having done this , not in a corner , not in His closet upstairs , but openly in the face of Grand Lodge , and in the face of the Craft , I say , distinctly , that

paragraph No . 3 of the Report is merely a repetition of the charges made and met in March last—met in a manner which Grand Lodge then pronounced to be satisfactory ; and I cannot conceive any conduct more ungenerous on the part of any public body , and more especially on the part of a ' Masonic ' body , than , in the absence of the G . M ., to adopt such a report as this , containing as . it does a clause which undoubtedly goes back to former times , and condemns former conduct . The whole of these paragraphs are the expression

of the opinion to us of a body whose opinion we didn't ask . ( Hear , hear . ) Bro . Portal has said that this report was to have been entered on the minutes , and not adopted . But the formal motion is , that the report be adopted and entered on the minutes , and I imagine that it is but a puerile difference to draw whether you adoj > t this report or let it stand upon the minutes , with grave charges against the G . M . and certain other Officers not named . ( Hear , hear . ) Whilst it contains those charges , it matters nothing whether it is formally

adopted or merely entered on the minutes . It states certain acts which Grand Lodge passed over months ago , considering the amende made by the G . M . satisfactory . These acts ought not to be raked up and again condemned now , when we know that it is impossible to stay the hand of the Provincial Grand Lodge of Canada West in the act which it is about to do . I am not so sure , Brethren , that the course which the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West is about to take is entirely owing to the neglect of the Grand Lodge of England . ( Hear ., hear ) . It

is admitted in this very document that there are other and internal causes , including the great and rapidly increasing power and influence of the irregular Grand Lodge ; and there are still other internal causes to account for the present position of the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West . ( Hear , hear . ) Some of its members desire to have an independent G rand Lodge for Canada . The independent Grand Lodge has actually been recognized by the Grand Lodge of Ireland , and has become the rallying point of all those who sought to be independent of

the Grand luodge of England . My conviction is , that , when the truth comes to be known , we shall find ( though I don't excuse it , mark you ) that the neglect of Grand Lodge in years past has been made somewhat of a stalking-horse by those who wished to throw off their allegiance to the Grand Lodge of England , and adopt a new allegiance to an independent Grand Lodge . . This paper goes further in this paragraph , and invites us to do what ? Why it invites us , by all the means

in our power , to allay distrust and prevent separation , by adopting such means as the Prov . Grand Lodge of Canada West may suggest . It is admitted that these proposals , which the G . M . has sent out , would , three years ago , have been sufficient , and would have left no excuse to those who wished to separate from us . If so , why were they not sufficient in May last ? The independent Grand Lodge in Canada appears to have been determined on ; and , in my opinion , no terms or

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