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in the wording ; of his motion , and had not moved the rejection of anything , but had moved that certain paragraphs be accepted . What he objected to in the paragraphs which he did not move should- 'be accepted , was , that they suggested a plan of procedure to Grand Lodge , while they were not prepared to recommend any method of carrying it out . This , he thought , it was not competent for a body , which , like the Colonial Board * was subordinate to Grand Lodge * to do .

Bro . Binckes was very strong on a point of order , ' . but he would remind him that he could not move the non-confirmation of that which required no confirmation , which was not a suggestion to be acted upon , but the record of that which was done , past , and settled . The report gives a recital of acts done and past , and they received -it and entered it on their minutes . In making his motion , he ( Bro . Havers ) had no intention of being guilty of the slightest disrespect either to the President or to any of the members of the Colonial Board .

Bro . Binckes still contended , that Bro . Havers was wrong , both in point of order and in point of principle , and he left his motion—the non-confirmation of the minutes— -in the hands of his lordship . The G . M ., in reply to Bro . Benson , said , the first question on a report of a committee to the House of Commons was , " that it be brought up , " equal to its

being " received" in Grand Lodge . The . House might refuse to have it brought up , and when it was brought up , it was discussed paragraph hy paragraph , and perhaps part of it would be adopted and part rejected . In cases of interest , it was read paragraph by paragraph ; those which were not agreed to being ofj § course struck out .

Bro . Binckes's motion for the non-confirmation of the minutes was lost , and the original motion for their confirmation carried amidst much applause .

BOARD OF GENERAL PURPOSES . On the motion of Bro . H . G . Warren , the report , which appeared in our last , was taken as read ; and , on the motion of Bro . Roxburgh , all its suggestions , having been put into the shape of formal resolutions , were adopted .

EXPERIMENTS IN LICHTINa AND VENTILATING THE HALL . Bro . Roxburgh called attention to the experiments made in the ventilation and lighting of the Hall . Standards were erected round the walls , and the edge of the cornice was lighted with a row of small gas-jets . The lights appeared generally to be consi * dered a great improvement , but everybody , the G . M . included , complained of the ventilation , which was worse than ever . The chandeliers were not lighted at all .

Bro . Roxburgh said , Bro . Havers was Chairman of the Committee , and the experiments were being carried on under the direction of the Grand Superintendent of Works . The' G . M . said he never saw the Hall so well lighted , hut he was not satisfied with the ventilation ( hear ) , for the Hall was as hot as ever he had known it . ( Hear , hear . ) He said he had paid a good deal of attention to the subject of ventilation , and recommended the committtee to r : all in the aid of Mr . "Watson , of Wakefield , whose plans he had tried in several cases and had always found

them to answer most admirably . ( Hear , hear . ) His lordship said he had tried Mr . Watson ' s plan in his house in Yorkshire and also in his -stables , where ventilation was now perfect . ( Hear , hear . ) In a room at Newmarket quite as large as that Hall , sometimes crowded to suffocation , he knew Mr . Watson ' s plan had been tried , and the variation of temperature was never more than 2 ° or 3 ° . ( Hear , hear . ) It would be well worth while lor the committee to consult Mr . Watson . Bro . Havers said the suggestion of the G . M . should be attended to . The subject then dropped .

THE CONSECRATION VESSELS . The G . M . announced his perfect willingness to consent to the recommendation of . the report that those vessels be lent for the purpose of consecrating private

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in the wording ; of his motion , and had not moved the rejection of anything , but had moved that certain paragraphs be accepted . What he objected to in the paragraphs which he did not move should- 'be accepted , was , that they suggested a plan of procedure to Grand Lodge , while they were not prepared to recommend any method of carrying it out . This , he thought , it was not competent for a body , which , like the Colonial Board * was subordinate to Grand Lodge * to do .

Bro . Binckes was very strong on a point of order , ' . but he would remind him that he could not move the non-confirmation of that which required no confirmation , which was not a suggestion to be acted upon , but the record of that which was done , past , and settled . The report gives a recital of acts done and past , and they received -it and entered it on their minutes . In making his motion , he ( Bro . Havers ) had no intention of being guilty of the slightest disrespect either to the President or to any of the members of the Colonial Board .

Bro . Binckes still contended , that Bro . Havers was wrong , both in point of order and in point of principle , and he left his motion—the non-confirmation of the minutes— -in the hands of his lordship . The G . M ., in reply to Bro . Benson , said , the first question on a report of a committee to the House of Commons was , " that it be brought up , " equal to its

being " received" in Grand Lodge . The . House might refuse to have it brought up , and when it was brought up , it was discussed paragraph hy paragraph , and perhaps part of it would be adopted and part rejected . In cases of interest , it was read paragraph by paragraph ; those which were not agreed to being ofj § course struck out .

Bro . Binckes's motion for the non-confirmation of the minutes was lost , and the original motion for their confirmation carried amidst much applause .

BOARD OF GENERAL PURPOSES . On the motion of Bro . H . G . Warren , the report , which appeared in our last , was taken as read ; and , on the motion of Bro . Roxburgh , all its suggestions , having been put into the shape of formal resolutions , were adopted .

EXPERIMENTS IN LICHTINa AND VENTILATING THE HALL . Bro . Roxburgh called attention to the experiments made in the ventilation and lighting of the Hall . Standards were erected round the walls , and the edge of the cornice was lighted with a row of small gas-jets . The lights appeared generally to be consi * dered a great improvement , but everybody , the G . M . included , complained of the ventilation , which was worse than ever . The chandeliers were not lighted at all .

Bro . Roxburgh said , Bro . Havers was Chairman of the Committee , and the experiments were being carried on under the direction of the Grand Superintendent of Works . The' G . M . said he never saw the Hall so well lighted , hut he was not satisfied with the ventilation ( hear ) , for the Hall was as hot as ever he had known it . ( Hear , hear . ) He said he had paid a good deal of attention to the subject of ventilation , and recommended the committtee to r : all in the aid of Mr . "Watson , of Wakefield , whose plans he had tried in several cases and had always found

them to answer most admirably . ( Hear , hear . ) His lordship said he had tried Mr . Watson ' s plan in his house in Yorkshire and also in his -stables , where ventilation was now perfect . ( Hear , hear . ) In a room at Newmarket quite as large as that Hall , sometimes crowded to suffocation , he knew Mr . Watson ' s plan had been tried , and the variation of temperature was never more than 2 ° or 3 ° . ( Hear , hear . ) It would be well worth while lor the committee to consult Mr . Watson . Bro . Havers said the suggestion of the G . M . should be attended to . The subject then dropped .

THE CONSECRATION VESSELS . The G . M . announced his perfect willingness to consent to the recommendation of . the report that those vessels be lent for the purpose of consecrating private

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