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matter of course be done , even if not mentioned on the circular of summons . Perhaps owing to dullness of comprehension , I do not see the impropriety of my remark , which implied that the arrangements adopted in foreign lodges are no criterion as to what is right or Avroug under English Constitutions , aud

the difference between the express law in Maryland , mentioned hy Bro . Haye , and that in England , as quoted by Bro . Hughan , proves my position . Bro . Haye writes , as he says , " only Avith regard to Scotland ; " I only with regard to this country . He doubts whether " the general body of English Masons will

endorse" the VIBAVS of Bro . Hughan and myself , while I state that all whom I have consulted ' have done so , except the three brethren who have expressed their opinions in the Magazine , and of these Bro . Leigh , by his note inserted to-day , appears now to agree with us in opinion .

In reference '" to the remarks of Bro . Bairnsfather , whose name comes before me for the first time , I wish to assure him that I haA'e not regarded or represented my exclusion from the Loyalty Lodge on the occasion referred to as an insult . ' There were others shut out with myself , and , on their behalf as much as my own , I took up the matter , after a little conversation with them in the ante-room . I felt it to be

a question Avorth consideration , mentioned it iu lodge , and then in the best spirit openly announced my intention to endeavour to obtain a solution . Let me again assure Bro . Bairnsfather that I have neA-er claimed to be present during discussion on a private subject , Avhen , as a gentleman , I felt that I ought not

to intrude , but only to hear the result as expressed in the minutes , and to that I felt that I had a right on the grounds stated last week . I beg to offer my thanks to Bro . Leigh aud others on behalf of Avhom he speaks for their sympathy in a certain struggle " with officialdom and incapacity in hih laces

gp " very different from that in hand . Many of the Jersey brethren Avho have seconded me deserve support iu their efforts to maintain high Masonic principles . In this I may possibly not again take part , as I have UOAV quitted the Channel Isles , having , liOAvever , left behind me au assurance that my aid will always be read y if needed . It now only remains to notice the letter of " A Humble Working P . M . " at Jersey , Avhich rather

places me in a dilemma . Whoever he may be , I trust that he knows me well enough to be sure that I was utterly unconscious of the comparison made till I _ saw it in print ; that had it been previously submitted to me I should certainly have erased it ; and that I disclaim any such pre-eminence as that

assigned to me , for , in the course of the extensive published correspondence conducted by me while in Jersey , I have generally consulted others on whose judgment I could rely before sending communications to the Magazine . My explanation of Bro . Hughan's kindly-meant remark , Avhich he would have done

better to suppress , is , that he formed his conclusion from what he had seeu in your columns , to which there have been but few Jersey correspondents except myself , though there have been some , and that ho thus hastily formed a rash opinion . Should he ever have an opportunity of knowing tho brethren of Lodge La Ce ' saree and some others in the island as well as I do , he would become aware of the important but unassuming labours which they undertake for

the benefit of the Craft and the maintenance of its character ; and would highly appreciate their zeal , talents , energy , and self-denial , as I have done . As I regretted the remark of my friend Bro . Hughan when I saw it last week , so do I now regret the bitterness ! with which the Jersey P . M . has expressed himself

, and should much like to have au opportunity of bringing them together , when I am sure thoy would mutually appreciate each other other . Yours fraternally , H . H . Kidderminster , May 25 th , 1 S 67 .

FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY . TO THE EDITOR OF THE EitEH 3 rAso : rL' riUGAzixE Axi > 3 IASO ;» IC MIRKOH . DEAR SIR AND BEOTHETI . —It is a subject of much regret to me , and , I am sure , must be so to many of your readers , that your columns should ba so much occupied hy discussions on questions of

Masonic jurisprudence ( to wit , " Can a Warden initiate ? " " The rights of visitors , " & c , in which unfortunately brethren sometimes forget the courtesy due to each other ) , Avhen such matters can readily be disposed of by appeal to the proper authority . I take it that the prime object of your publication is

to promote the general Avelfare of our Order , and surely there are higher and more important questions than such as I have referred to , which may , with propriety and advantage become the subject of argument iu your pages . I would gladly see brethren of literary eminence loy their time and talents in

emp discussing , as Bro . Oneal Have has , to some extent , recently done , the merits of our " Ancient and honourable institution . " I have read Bro . Oneal Haye'a articles with much pleasure , and I trust that he is not the only brother Vviio can Avrite in the same strain .

By way of providing subjects for discussion , I beg to lay down the following propositions , which I am prepared to defend , and I shall bo glad if brethren who look beloAV the surface , aud . are uot satisfied Avith the outward seeming of Masonry , Avill express their views through the medium of your journal : — 1 . That Freemasonry oriinated under the

Chrisg tian dispensation . 2 . That Christianity i-j the foundation and copestone of Freemasonry . 8 . That although candidates for initiation are not required to express thdr belief in Christianity , yet no man can become a true Mason unless he is a

Christian , aud can perceive the connection between Masonry and Christianity , L That the so-called high degrees aw mainly supported iu consequence of : \ large body of Masonr ; not perceiving that Christianity ii an essentia ; part of Craft Masonry , and that such want of perception is occasioned btho injudicious alterations in tha

y lectures made at the time ol the 'Union of the two Grand Lodges . Tours fraternally , ;& K . B . Wiaxu , IS " , P . M . and Z . US , Prov . G . Assist . Dir . of Cers , Lancashire West .

A LADY FREEMASON . TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREiaiASOXS M . WAZT" i-E AND H . V-0 ! " 0 ^ IRUCE :. DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE . — 'Will yon p ! juso inform me , in your next impression , if ever there was a lady

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FREEMASONRY CONSIDERED. Article 1
HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN CORNWALL. Article 3
WHAT IS FREEMASONRY? Article 5
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
GRAND LODGE. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING JUNE Article 19
THE WEEK. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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matter of course be done , even if not mentioned on the circular of summons . Perhaps owing to dullness of comprehension , I do not see the impropriety of my remark , which implied that the arrangements adopted in foreign lodges are no criterion as to what is right or Avroug under English Constitutions , aud

the difference between the express law in Maryland , mentioned hy Bro . Haye , and that in England , as quoted by Bro . Hughan , proves my position . Bro . Haye writes , as he says , " only Avith regard to Scotland ; " I only with regard to this country . He doubts whether " the general body of English Masons will

endorse" the VIBAVS of Bro . Hughan and myself , while I state that all whom I have consulted ' have done so , except the three brethren who have expressed their opinions in the Magazine , and of these Bro . Leigh , by his note inserted to-day , appears now to agree with us in opinion .

In reference '" to the remarks of Bro . Bairnsfather , whose name comes before me for the first time , I wish to assure him that I haA'e not regarded or represented my exclusion from the Loyalty Lodge on the occasion referred to as an insult . ' There were others shut out with myself , and , on their behalf as much as my own , I took up the matter , after a little conversation with them in the ante-room . I felt it to be

a question Avorth consideration , mentioned it iu lodge , and then in the best spirit openly announced my intention to endeavour to obtain a solution . Let me again assure Bro . Bairnsfather that I have neA-er claimed to be present during discussion on a private subject , Avhen , as a gentleman , I felt that I ought not

to intrude , but only to hear the result as expressed in the minutes , and to that I felt that I had a right on the grounds stated last week . I beg to offer my thanks to Bro . Leigh aud others on behalf of Avhom he speaks for their sympathy in a certain struggle " with officialdom and incapacity in hih laces

gp " very different from that in hand . Many of the Jersey brethren Avho have seconded me deserve support iu their efforts to maintain high Masonic principles . In this I may possibly not again take part , as I have UOAV quitted the Channel Isles , having , liOAvever , left behind me au assurance that my aid will always be read y if needed . It now only remains to notice the letter of " A Humble Working P . M . " at Jersey , Avhich rather

places me in a dilemma . Whoever he may be , I trust that he knows me well enough to be sure that I was utterly unconscious of the comparison made till I _ saw it in print ; that had it been previously submitted to me I should certainly have erased it ; and that I disclaim any such pre-eminence as that

assigned to me , for , in the course of the extensive published correspondence conducted by me while in Jersey , I have generally consulted others on whose judgment I could rely before sending communications to the Magazine . My explanation of Bro . Hughan's kindly-meant remark , Avhich he would have done

better to suppress , is , that he formed his conclusion from what he had seeu in your columns , to which there have been but few Jersey correspondents except myself , though there have been some , and that ho thus hastily formed a rash opinion . Should he ever have an opportunity of knowing tho brethren of Lodge La Ce ' saree and some others in the island as well as I do , he would become aware of the important but unassuming labours which they undertake for

the benefit of the Craft and the maintenance of its character ; and would highly appreciate their zeal , talents , energy , and self-denial , as I have done . As I regretted the remark of my friend Bro . Hughan when I saw it last week , so do I now regret the bitterness ! with which the Jersey P . M . has expressed himself

, and should much like to have au opportunity of bringing them together , when I am sure thoy would mutually appreciate each other other . Yours fraternally , H . H . Kidderminster , May 25 th , 1 S 67 .

FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY . TO THE EDITOR OF THE EitEH 3 rAso : rL' riUGAzixE Axi > 3 IASO ;» IC MIRKOH . DEAR SIR AND BEOTHETI . —It is a subject of much regret to me , and , I am sure , must be so to many of your readers , that your columns should ba so much occupied hy discussions on questions of

Masonic jurisprudence ( to wit , " Can a Warden initiate ? " " The rights of visitors , " & c , in which unfortunately brethren sometimes forget the courtesy due to each other ) , Avhen such matters can readily be disposed of by appeal to the proper authority . I take it that the prime object of your publication is

to promote the general Avelfare of our Order , and surely there are higher and more important questions than such as I have referred to , which may , with propriety and advantage become the subject of argument iu your pages . I would gladly see brethren of literary eminence loy their time and talents in

emp discussing , as Bro . Oneal Have has , to some extent , recently done , the merits of our " Ancient and honourable institution . " I have read Bro . Oneal Haye'a articles with much pleasure , and I trust that he is not the only brother Vviio can Avrite in the same strain .

By way of providing subjects for discussion , I beg to lay down the following propositions , which I am prepared to defend , and I shall bo glad if brethren who look beloAV the surface , aud . are uot satisfied Avith the outward seeming of Masonry , Avill express their views through the medium of your journal : — 1 . That Freemasonry oriinated under the

Chrisg tian dispensation . 2 . That Christianity i-j the foundation and copestone of Freemasonry . 8 . That although candidates for initiation are not required to express thdr belief in Christianity , yet no man can become a true Mason unless he is a

Christian , aud can perceive the connection between Masonry and Christianity , L That the so-called high degrees aw mainly supported iu consequence of : \ large body of Masonr ; not perceiving that Christianity ii an essentia ; part of Craft Masonry , and that such want of perception is occasioned btho injudicious alterations in tha

y lectures made at the time ol the 'Union of the two Grand Lodges . Tours fraternally , ;& K . B . Wiaxu , IS " , P . M . and Z . US , Prov . G . Assist . Dir . of Cers , Lancashire West .

A LADY FREEMASON . TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREiaiASOXS M . WAZT" i-E AND H . V-0 ! " 0 ^ IRUCE :. DEAE SIB AND BEOTHEE . — 'Will yon p ! juso inform me , in your next impression , if ever there was a lady

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