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Architecture And Archæology.

tiful niches on each side of the east window had been sacrificed ; the stalls had lost their original desks with the exception of fche ends , and fche original arrangement of the pavement and steps had been quite lost . The vestry , too , was completely modernised ; two of its windows had lost their tracery , and the one which retained ifc was blocked up by a brick flue . Perhaps the most interesting part of the Avork is fche restoration of the two niches which flank the

east window internally . The design of these has been recovered with some difficulty from the marks which remained upon the surface of the wall , and from small fragments found on removing the pannelling . The steps have been arranged according to tbe old levels , ancl a rich floor by Messrs . Minton has been laid throughout , in which the patterns of the old tiles have been carefully followed . The

altar-table , which is a fine one of Elizabethan work , has been lenthened , so as to be in proportion to the dignity of the chancel , and is covered with a very rich cloth ; an altar-rail of oak is fixed afc the kneeling step , and fche effect of the east end of the chancel , with its beautiful sedilia and locker , is now more satisfactory . The stalls have been carefully repaired , and new book desks added , with fcraceried fronts

in accordance with fche old ends . The chancel is to be lighted with gas standards of proper character , by Skidmore , of Coventry . The restoration of fche vestry to its original plan , though at present nofc complete , is of much interest . The vestry was originally in two stories ; this arrangement had been entirely lost by filling up the lower story , and placing a floor level with that of the chancel , agreeing with neither of the original floors . On removing the earth which filled up the lower story , the steps leading down into it from the chancel were discovered tolerably perfect , and

also the base of spiral staircase in tho north-west corner leading from the lower to the upper room . There was also found in this lower room , beside a piscina and locker , ainost curious oven , with a flue , which was used , in all probability , for baking the wafer-bread for Holy Communion . The original floor of the lower story has been returned to and has been laid with tiles , the steps into ifc from the chancel

repaired , and the windows , two of which had entirely lost their tracery , have been restored . These appear not to have beeu glazed originally , but provided Avith shutters only ; they have been reglazed in oak casements occupying the place of the original shutters . A new roof has been put on , and the cornice to carry the upper floor has been restored , but at present the floor itself has not been reconstructed . Ifc is to

be desired that much may be done before long , and the stairs up to it rebuilt , so as to complete the restoration of this most interesting building to its original plan . Ifc may be mentioned that the upper vestry has a window opening in the chancel , which was not glazed bufc provided with shutters , and in the jamb of which is a seat commanding a view of the whole chancel . " Lord Crewe has intimated his intention of erecting a reredos , which , will form a suitable background to the Communion table , instead of the present bare surface of stonework beneath the eastern window .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

IXSSISG THE VEILS . Where is the ceremony of passing the veils continued ?—W . N . —[ In Scotland , Ireland , America , and on the Continent . In the latter the Eoyal Arch degree is different from that used by us , ifc is the Eoyal Arch of the Ancient and Accepted Eite , not worked under that jurisdiction here out of respect to the Supreme Grand Chapterwith whom

, the Sov . G . G . I . I . G . G . do not wish to clash . ] CHRONOLOGICAL DIirlCUXTIES . Lit must be obvious to our esteemed correspondent , E . W . K ., that we could not print his letter , since it deals with subjects which must be concealed . With the opinions he sends us we have full sympathand candidladmit

y , y the anachronisms . Masonry , like every other production of man , is imperfect , nor would all the erudition in the world ever originate a society thafc could not be objected to on some ground of historal accuracy . The wonder

isnofc that there are errors in many of the Masonic traditionsbufc that there are so few . Such points as E . W . K . moots lie under peculiar disadvantage . If a brother were to attack them , he would be hooted down by that all-powerful section ofthe Craffc , who , parrot-like , have the ceremonies afc the tip of their tongues , but beyond this are frequently destitute of general knowledge . On the other hand , if he appeal to

some of the learned Masons for support , ho will be met with a shrug , and an assurance that ifc would be far easier to change the whole system than to lay a finger on one of these cherished errors ; in fact , all fche arguments that coulcl be brought to bear on the subject by the greatest scholars of all nations would fail to convince many to whom Masonry is a creedand who know no other form of belief

, than that which they pick up in lodge . The greatest disadvantage such objections lie under is their being secret ; you cannot place them before high authorities and get an opinion from them , as in every other controversy , which might tend to clear up doubts ; but you must work the anomaly out for yourself , and when you have done so , beware how aud to whom you mention ifc , for you will be looked upon as a

lunatic , an innovator , or perhaps as one anxious to break your O . B . ; whilst ab fchat very moment you are striving to bring your talents to bear " for fche good of Ereemasonry in general . " A word of advice may nofc be lost upon E . W . K . —Don't write about such things . Talk of them only to brethren of liberal education , and , lastly , don't start such subjects amongst oracles of lodges of instruction , if you do !!! ]

LODGE OBATOKS . In reply to the query of Ex . Ex . in THE MAGAZINE of October 5 th , relative to the appointment of orator , as customary in Prance , it may be mentioned that Lodge La Cesaree ( No . 860 ) has such an officer . This lodge works under English warrant , and adopts the English ritual , translated into the French language by the late esteemed

Bro . Cuqueuelle . Most natives of Jersey speak both French and English , and fchis arrangement , while not inconvenient to them , offers advantages to French Masons who settle in the island , as well as the frequent visitors from the Continent , who have thus an opportunity of comprehending our working , and of comparing ifc with the Grand Orient of France , which they cannot enjoy elseAvhere . The

introduction of an orator is perhaps the only innovation imported from France , bufc it-is one which has been very useful , though at present ineffective . The duties were for some years most ably performed by Bro . Eafcier , a distinguished French advocate , who resided iu Jersey for a considerable period till 1859 , when he returned to his native country . Those who heard his stirring extempore addresses to

candidates on passing fche different degrees , and his funeral orafcions , Avill not easily lose the impressions produced by them . E-eporfcs of many of them were given in your columns antecedent to that of the parting address in your number of October 29 th , 1859 . As no resident member ofthe lodge is willing and able to accept the appointment , it is still held by Bro . Eatier , Avho continues his membership , but is rarely able to be present with us . The query of Bro . Kelly , D . Prov . G . M . for Leicestershire , especially addressed to myself , shall have attention in due course . —H . H .

EltEEStASONKY AXD THE SYNOD OE TIIUELES . One E . C . dating from Cork gives us a very good specimen of the esteem iu which Freemasonry is held by the Eoman Catholic Bishops of Ireland in full synod assembled . His communication originally appeared in our comtemporary " Notes and Queries , " but it was thought so interesting to our order fchat it has been cut out and sent to us . For the

benefit of many of our readers we summarise the information . The first paragrah advises that diligent means shall be taken , in every parish , to prevent the formation of secret societies , as they lie under utter condemnation . The second deplores that " nofc a few" Catholics are enrolled amongst the condemned society of Freemasons , ancl calls ou the parish priest to remind them that the pontificial ( or greater ) , excommunication is still iu force , under certain papal Bulls , against all who dare to enter , propagate , found , receive others , conceal the existence of , or belong to such

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THE RIGHT HON. THE EARL OF DALHOUSIE, K.T., G.C.B., B.W.P.D.G.M. Article 1
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ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 5
NOTES ON LITERATURE SCIENCE AND ART. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 7
"ANENT PERSONALITIES." Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES, BY A LADY. Article 8
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 9
METROPOLITAN. Article 9
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SCOTLAND. Article 13
AUSTRALIA. Article 13
ROYAL ARCH, Article 14
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 16
Obituary. Article 16
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 18
SPECIAL NOTICE. Article 20
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Architecture And Archæology.

tiful niches on each side of the east window had been sacrificed ; the stalls had lost their original desks with the exception of fche ends , and fche original arrangement of the pavement and steps had been quite lost . The vestry , too , was completely modernised ; two of its windows had lost their tracery , and the one which retained ifc was blocked up by a brick flue . Perhaps the most interesting part of the Avork is fche restoration of the two niches which flank the

east window internally . The design of these has been recovered with some difficulty from the marks which remained upon the surface of the wall , and from small fragments found on removing the pannelling . The steps have been arranged according to tbe old levels , ancl a rich floor by Messrs . Minton has been laid throughout , in which the patterns of the old tiles have been carefully followed . The

altar-table , which is a fine one of Elizabethan work , has been lenthened , so as to be in proportion to the dignity of the chancel , and is covered with a very rich cloth ; an altar-rail of oak is fixed afc the kneeling step , and fche effect of the east end of the chancel , with its beautiful sedilia and locker , is now more satisfactory . The stalls have been carefully repaired , and new book desks added , with fcraceried fronts

in accordance with fche old ends . The chancel is to be lighted with gas standards of proper character , by Skidmore , of Coventry . The restoration of fche vestry to its original plan , though at present nofc complete , is of much interest . The vestry was originally in two stories ; this arrangement had been entirely lost by filling up the lower story , and placing a floor level with that of the chancel , agreeing with neither of the original floors . On removing the earth which filled up the lower story , the steps leading down into it from the chancel were discovered tolerably perfect , and

also the base of spiral staircase in tho north-west corner leading from the lower to the upper room . There was also found in this lower room , beside a piscina and locker , ainost curious oven , with a flue , which was used , in all probability , for baking the wafer-bread for Holy Communion . The original floor of the lower story has been returned to and has been laid with tiles , the steps into ifc from the chancel

repaired , and the windows , two of which had entirely lost their tracery , have been restored . These appear not to have beeu glazed originally , but provided Avith shutters only ; they have been reglazed in oak casements occupying the place of the original shutters . A new roof has been put on , and the cornice to carry the upper floor has been restored , but at present the floor itself has not been reconstructed . Ifc is to

be desired that much may be done before long , and the stairs up to it rebuilt , so as to complete the restoration of this most interesting building to its original plan . Ifc may be mentioned that the upper vestry has a window opening in the chancel , which was not glazed bufc provided with shutters , and in the jamb of which is a seat commanding a view of the whole chancel . " Lord Crewe has intimated his intention of erecting a reredos , which , will form a suitable background to the Communion table , instead of the present bare surface of stonework beneath the eastern window .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

IXSSISG THE VEILS . Where is the ceremony of passing the veils continued ?—W . N . —[ In Scotland , Ireland , America , and on the Continent . In the latter the Eoyal Arch degree is different from that used by us , ifc is the Eoyal Arch of the Ancient and Accepted Eite , not worked under that jurisdiction here out of respect to the Supreme Grand Chapterwith whom

, the Sov . G . G . I . I . G . G . do not wish to clash . ] CHRONOLOGICAL DIirlCUXTIES . Lit must be obvious to our esteemed correspondent , E . W . K ., that we could not print his letter , since it deals with subjects which must be concealed . With the opinions he sends us we have full sympathand candidladmit

y , y the anachronisms . Masonry , like every other production of man , is imperfect , nor would all the erudition in the world ever originate a society thafc could not be objected to on some ground of historal accuracy . The wonder

isnofc that there are errors in many of the Masonic traditionsbufc that there are so few . Such points as E . W . K . moots lie under peculiar disadvantage . If a brother were to attack them , he would be hooted down by that all-powerful section ofthe Craffc , who , parrot-like , have the ceremonies afc the tip of their tongues , but beyond this are frequently destitute of general knowledge . On the other hand , if he appeal to

some of the learned Masons for support , ho will be met with a shrug , and an assurance that ifc would be far easier to change the whole system than to lay a finger on one of these cherished errors ; in fact , all fche arguments that coulcl be brought to bear on the subject by the greatest scholars of all nations would fail to convince many to whom Masonry is a creedand who know no other form of belief

, than that which they pick up in lodge . The greatest disadvantage such objections lie under is their being secret ; you cannot place them before high authorities and get an opinion from them , as in every other controversy , which might tend to clear up doubts ; but you must work the anomaly out for yourself , and when you have done so , beware how aud to whom you mention ifc , for you will be looked upon as a

lunatic , an innovator , or perhaps as one anxious to break your O . B . ; whilst ab fchat very moment you are striving to bring your talents to bear " for fche good of Ereemasonry in general . " A word of advice may nofc be lost upon E . W . K . —Don't write about such things . Talk of them only to brethren of liberal education , and , lastly , don't start such subjects amongst oracles of lodges of instruction , if you do !!! ]

LODGE OBATOKS . In reply to the query of Ex . Ex . in THE MAGAZINE of October 5 th , relative to the appointment of orator , as customary in Prance , it may be mentioned that Lodge La Cesaree ( No . 860 ) has such an officer . This lodge works under English warrant , and adopts the English ritual , translated into the French language by the late esteemed

Bro . Cuqueuelle . Most natives of Jersey speak both French and English , and fchis arrangement , while not inconvenient to them , offers advantages to French Masons who settle in the island , as well as the frequent visitors from the Continent , who have thus an opportunity of comprehending our working , and of comparing ifc with the Grand Orient of France , which they cannot enjoy elseAvhere . The

introduction of an orator is perhaps the only innovation imported from France , bufc it-is one which has been very useful , though at present ineffective . The duties were for some years most ably performed by Bro . Eafcier , a distinguished French advocate , who resided iu Jersey for a considerable period till 1859 , when he returned to his native country . Those who heard his stirring extempore addresses to

candidates on passing fche different degrees , and his funeral orafcions , Avill not easily lose the impressions produced by them . E-eporfcs of many of them were given in your columns antecedent to that of the parting address in your number of October 29 th , 1859 . As no resident member ofthe lodge is willing and able to accept the appointment , it is still held by Bro . Eatier , Avho continues his membership , but is rarely able to be present with us . The query of Bro . Kelly , D . Prov . G . M . for Leicestershire , especially addressed to myself , shall have attention in due course . —H . H .

EltEEStASONKY AXD THE SYNOD OE TIIUELES . One E . C . dating from Cork gives us a very good specimen of the esteem iu which Freemasonry is held by the Eoman Catholic Bishops of Ireland in full synod assembled . His communication originally appeared in our comtemporary " Notes and Queries , " but it was thought so interesting to our order fchat it has been cut out and sent to us . For the

benefit of many of our readers we summarise the information . The first paragrah advises that diligent means shall be taken , in every parish , to prevent the formation of secret societies , as they lie under utter condemnation . The second deplores that " nofc a few" Catholics are enrolled amongst the condemned society of Freemasons , ancl calls ou the parish priest to remind them that the pontificial ( or greater ) , excommunication is still iu force , under certain papal Bulls , against all who dare to enter , propagate , found , receive others , conceal the existence of , or belong to such

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