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Hint To The Working Supporters Of The Masonic Charities.

brethren to know that , after having repeatedly brought the matter before the brethren of the lodge to which I belong—No . 310 , Carlisle—I have at last succeeded in obtaining a footing . At the regular meeting of my lodge , held on Tuesday , the 29 th ult . ( though only a small one ) , I , with the assistance of Bro .

Thomas Cockburu , commenced a list of subscriptions in aid of so laudable a purpose . I shall be most happy to receive the subscription of any brother or non-Mason who may feel desirous of contributing his mite . My intention is to present the whole through my Prov . G . M . to the Graud Lodge . Yours fraternally , AltTHUE WOODHOUSE , Steward 310 , S . W . 412 , Prov . G . S .

Suspension Of Lodge Office-Bearers.

SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICE-BEARERS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEUASONS' 3 IAGAZIXE A > 'D 1 TASOXIC AIIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —In your issue of the 26 th ult ., I find a letter from Bro . Campbell , replying to mine of the 21 st of September last , but I do not consider that he throws any light on the matter to uphold his opinion , as the correct one ,

while Provincial Grand Lodge would then he wrong ; for admitting that it ivas the Prov . G . Secretarv who was present in Graud Lodge on the occasion referred to , still I do not find him taking any stand in Grand Lodge thereupon , but in the extract from Grand Lodge minutes which Bro . Campbell quotes , he is

merely mentioned as Bro . W . Smith , R . W . M . 360 , therefore I still hold that some oue was bound to send official information to Provincial Grand Lodge , which has actually been done since . I again affirm that the Provincial Grand Lodge had nothing to do in the case of Bro . C . and others ivith Rule cap . 21 , sec . 9 , that being a rule applying to daughter lodges and their members .

Bro . C . also says that I tried to give extracts from cap . 13 , sec . 4 . I did no such thing , neither do I intend to do now . I £ eep to the point at issue . I quoted cap . 13 , sec . 5 , but either the printer or I put down the figure 4 by mistake , but the words were all right . Cap . 13 sec . 5 . — " The Provincial Grand Lod

, ge shall hear and determine all subjects of Masonic complaint ov irregularity respecting lodges or brethren within the district , and may proceed to admonition , or fine , or even suspension , until the party thinking himself aggrieved bring the matter before the Grand Lodge or Grand Committee . "

It seems to me that Bro . C . considers the above rule to mean—that , if the party aggrieved appeals , he may go at large until the meeting of Grand Lodge . But I holdthatheis wrong , the meaning being that any party offending may be immediately suspended , and remain so ( even although he appeals ) until the

meeting of Grand Lodge , Avhen his suspension is either confirmed or removed . If it was otherwise , how could the Provincial Grand Lodge " hear and determine" anything ? I also hold that the Provincial Grand Lodge is a body sui generiswith special rules for its OAVU

, guidance in governing the lodges under it . But Bro . C . says no , for , Avhether they apply directly to it or not , he says , "The Provincial Grand Lodge ' is bound to obey all the laws of the Grand Lodge . " I suppose

Suspension Of Lodge Office-Bearers.

the old proverb is haunting his mind , "What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander , " ergo , what is done iu Graud Lodge ought to be implicitly folloived by Provincial Grand Lodge . Now , to show the foolishness of that assertion , and its opposition to real practice , I give the folloiving quotations from Grand Lodge laws , showing the contrast under different circumstances : —

" In Grand Lodge . " Cap . 3 , sec . 1 . —The whole office-bearers of the Grand Lodge shall be annually elected by its members . " In Provincial Grand Lodge . " Cap . 13 , sec . 1 . —Each province shall have a Prov . G . M . appointed during pleasureby special

com-, mission from the Grand Lodge , & c . ; and sec . 3 adds that the Prov . G . M . shall be entitled to choose , and to appoint by commission , from time to time , a Dep . Sub ., tivo Wardens , a Secretary and Chaplain , & c .

" In Grand Lodge . " In the absence of the Master the chair shall be filled in the following order—by the Past G . M ., Dep . G . M ., Sub . G . M ., Past Dep . " or Sub . G . M ., Prov . G . M ., Sen . G . W ., Juu . G . W ., Sen . G . D ., Jun . G . D ., the Master or proxv of the oldest lodge present , & e .

" In Provincial Grand Lodge . " In the ahsence of the P . G . M ., the order is—by the Dep . P . G . M ., Sub . P . G . M ., Sen . P . G . W ., Jun . P . G . W ., the Master of the oldest lodge present . " It will thus be seen that in the filling of the Prov . G . M . 's chair the Deacons are ignored , also past officebearers . I think I have now shown that Prov . Grand Lodge has special laws applicable to itself alone .

I do not know whether it is the fact or not that nine-tenths of the appeals from Provincial Grand Lodge have been reversed—the most of them must have been before my day , so I take nothing to do with them ; but I do know that , in the case Bro . C . quotes of himself aud others , the decision of the majority of Provincial Grand Lodge was reversed in

Grand Lodge ; but it so happens that I was one of the minority iu Provincial Grand Lodge on that occasion , and stood out for alloAving certain brethren to go free after they had made the explanations and apologies ivhieh they did make , but the majority considering that punishment insufficient , the case went to

Grand Lodge , Avhich , it seems , supported the views of the minority ; at all events , the Provincial Grand Lodge decision ivas reversed . Then , as to giving my name , I do not see what difference that Avould make to my arguments . It ia ont of them that Bro . C . must take his satisfaction

, not out of me personally . Besides , Bro . C . and I are almost strangers , at least , I never remember exchanging a single word with him ( viva voce ) , but if you , Bro . Editor , consider it necessary or judicious to give my name , you may do it . I may inform Bro . C . that I am not an office-bearer in the Provincial

Grand Lodge , and that I have no personal feeling against him ; but if he or any one else makes statements which I consider to be incorrect , I take the liberty , if I choose , of answering them , sometimes signing my name , or , as fancy led me before to subscribe myself , and as I again do , Yours fraternity , A MEJIBEB OE THE PEOV . G . LOBGE .

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PREROGATIVE OF THE M.W.G.M. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 2
SCOTTISH MASONIC LECTURES. Article 7
FIFTH DECADE OF MASONIC PRECEPTS. Article 8
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
QUALITY, NOT QUANTITY. Article 9
HINT TO THE WORKING SUPPORTERS OF THE MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 9
SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICE-BEARERS. Article 10
TO WHOM IS HONOUR DUE? Article 11
FREEMASONRY IN SCOTLAND. Article 11
LOOSENESS IN MASONRY. Article 11
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
TURKEY. Article 18
GRAND MASONIC BANQUET AT GRAVESEND TO THE BRETHREN ON BOARD THE AMERICAN SHIPS OF WAR RECENTLY IN THE THAMES. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING NOVEMBER 9TH, 1867. Article 20
THE WEEK. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Hint To The Working Supporters Of The Masonic Charities.

brethren to know that , after having repeatedly brought the matter before the brethren of the lodge to which I belong—No . 310 , Carlisle—I have at last succeeded in obtaining a footing . At the regular meeting of my lodge , held on Tuesday , the 29 th ult . ( though only a small one ) , I , with the assistance of Bro .

Thomas Cockburu , commenced a list of subscriptions in aid of so laudable a purpose . I shall be most happy to receive the subscription of any brother or non-Mason who may feel desirous of contributing his mite . My intention is to present the whole through my Prov . G . M . to the Graud Lodge . Yours fraternally , AltTHUE WOODHOUSE , Steward 310 , S . W . 412 , Prov . G . S .

Suspension Of Lodge Office-Bearers.

SUSPENSION OF LODGE OFFICE-BEARERS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEUASONS' 3 IAGAZIXE A > 'D 1 TASOXIC AIIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —In your issue of the 26 th ult ., I find a letter from Bro . Campbell , replying to mine of the 21 st of September last , but I do not consider that he throws any light on the matter to uphold his opinion , as the correct one ,

while Provincial Grand Lodge would then he wrong ; for admitting that it ivas the Prov . G . Secretarv who was present in Graud Lodge on the occasion referred to , still I do not find him taking any stand in Grand Lodge thereupon , but in the extract from Grand Lodge minutes which Bro . Campbell quotes , he is

merely mentioned as Bro . W . Smith , R . W . M . 360 , therefore I still hold that some oue was bound to send official information to Provincial Grand Lodge , which has actually been done since . I again affirm that the Provincial Grand Lodge had nothing to do in the case of Bro . C . and others ivith Rule cap . 21 , sec . 9 , that being a rule applying to daughter lodges and their members .

Bro . C . also says that I tried to give extracts from cap . 13 , sec . 4 . I did no such thing , neither do I intend to do now . I £ eep to the point at issue . I quoted cap . 13 , sec . 5 , but either the printer or I put down the figure 4 by mistake , but the words were all right . Cap . 13 sec . 5 . — " The Provincial Grand Lod

, ge shall hear and determine all subjects of Masonic complaint ov irregularity respecting lodges or brethren within the district , and may proceed to admonition , or fine , or even suspension , until the party thinking himself aggrieved bring the matter before the Grand Lodge or Grand Committee . "

It seems to me that Bro . C . considers the above rule to mean—that , if the party aggrieved appeals , he may go at large until the meeting of Grand Lodge . But I holdthatheis wrong , the meaning being that any party offending may be immediately suspended , and remain so ( even although he appeals ) until the

meeting of Grand Lodge , Avhen his suspension is either confirmed or removed . If it was otherwise , how could the Provincial Grand Lodge " hear and determine" anything ? I also hold that the Provincial Grand Lodge is a body sui generiswith special rules for its OAVU

, guidance in governing the lodges under it . But Bro . C . says no , for , Avhether they apply directly to it or not , he says , "The Provincial Grand Lodge ' is bound to obey all the laws of the Grand Lodge . " I suppose

Suspension Of Lodge Office-Bearers.

the old proverb is haunting his mind , "What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander , " ergo , what is done iu Graud Lodge ought to be implicitly folloived by Provincial Grand Lodge . Now , to show the foolishness of that assertion , and its opposition to real practice , I give the folloiving quotations from Grand Lodge laws , showing the contrast under different circumstances : —

" In Grand Lodge . " Cap . 3 , sec . 1 . —The whole office-bearers of the Grand Lodge shall be annually elected by its members . " In Provincial Grand Lodge . " Cap . 13 , sec . 1 . —Each province shall have a Prov . G . M . appointed during pleasureby special

com-, mission from the Grand Lodge , & c . ; and sec . 3 adds that the Prov . G . M . shall be entitled to choose , and to appoint by commission , from time to time , a Dep . Sub ., tivo Wardens , a Secretary and Chaplain , & c .

" In Grand Lodge . " In the absence of the Master the chair shall be filled in the following order—by the Past G . M ., Dep . G . M ., Sub . G . M ., Past Dep . " or Sub . G . M ., Prov . G . M ., Sen . G . W ., Juu . G . W ., Sen . G . D ., Jun . G . D ., the Master or proxv of the oldest lodge present , & e .

" In Provincial Grand Lodge . " In the ahsence of the P . G . M ., the order is—by the Dep . P . G . M ., Sub . P . G . M ., Sen . P . G . W ., Jun . P . G . W ., the Master of the oldest lodge present . " It will thus be seen that in the filling of the Prov . G . M . 's chair the Deacons are ignored , also past officebearers . I think I have now shown that Prov . Grand Lodge has special laws applicable to itself alone .

I do not know whether it is the fact or not that nine-tenths of the appeals from Provincial Grand Lodge have been reversed—the most of them must have been before my day , so I take nothing to do with them ; but I do know that , in the case Bro . C . quotes of himself aud others , the decision of the majority of Provincial Grand Lodge was reversed in

Grand Lodge ; but it so happens that I was one of the minority iu Provincial Grand Lodge on that occasion , and stood out for alloAving certain brethren to go free after they had made the explanations and apologies ivhieh they did make , but the majority considering that punishment insufficient , the case went to

Grand Lodge , Avhich , it seems , supported the views of the minority ; at all events , the Provincial Grand Lodge decision ivas reversed . Then , as to giving my name , I do not see what difference that Avould make to my arguments . It ia ont of them that Bro . C . must take his satisfaction

, not out of me personally . Besides , Bro . C . and I are almost strangers , at least , I never remember exchanging a single word with him ( viva voce ) , but if you , Bro . Editor , consider it necessary or judicious to give my name , you may do it . I may inform Bro . C . that I am not an office-bearer in the Provincial

Grand Lodge , and that I have no personal feeling against him ; but if he or any one else makes statements which I consider to be incorrect , I take the liberty , if I choose , of answering them , sometimes signing my name , or , as fancy led me before to subscribe myself , and as I again do , Yours fraternity , A MEJIBEB OE THE PEOV . G . LOBGE .

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