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witness , or accessory , to making a Mason , unless he enter himself to a certain constituted lodge . " 16 . None to be entered to the lodge unless he be recommended at a monthly meeting by two of the brethren , unless it be a case of necessity . " 17 . The box is never to go out of the town of and no is to be entered in lace

, person any p but where the box is kept , unless it be more than three miles from the town . " The above seventeen rules were made with the consent of the whole brethren , with this addition—That if any brother shall come to a meeting , he being intoxicated with liquor , shall be " fined as he deserves . "

At a subsequent communication , it was enacted"That if any brother belonging to the lodge ( the ministers alone excepted ) , ancl being within three miles of the town at the day of the yearly meeting , and does not attend at the parade upon that day , shall be fined in 5 s . sterling for the use of the lodge , unless he

, or they , send an excuse in writing , which excuse must be approved of by the meeting ; and if any brother be absent at a monthly , and not send his excuse in writing , and the same approved of , shall be fined in Gd . sterling for the use of the lodge ; and every brother shall wear a leather apron , the Master only excepted . "

EE . EEMASONBY IN EllANCE . The lodges of the Rit Ecossias remain under the same ancient jurisdiction—that of the Supreme Grand Council of France , and the lodges of the French Rite under the same ancient jurisdicton as before—that of the Grand Orient of France . To the former belong one third of the lod and to the latter two-thirds .

ges , There are no longer lodges under the two rites in France . As a general principle abroad , symbolic or Craft lodges of the Rit Ecossais are under a Supreme Grand Council . The office of the Supreme Grand Council is 46 , Rue de la Victoire ; and of the G . O ., Rue Cadet . The records of the Supreme Council are

very carefully kept , and contain many objects of interest . The Grand Orient has a fine Masonic hall , which I described formerly in the FEEEMASONS ' MAGAZINE . —HTDE CLABKE , 33 ° , Member of the Jurisdiction of Supreme Grand Council of France , and of the G . O . of France .

A HINT . [ Almost a quarter of a century back , an elaborate controversy raged in the British Critic , in which no less persons than Mr . A . Herbert , Dr . Gilly , Mr . Maitland , of Lambeth , and Dr . Todd took part , a good deal of which turned upon the unaccountable disappearance from the Cambridge University Library of

certain Vaudois MSS ., circumstantially alleged to have been deposited there by Sir S . Morland in the time of Cromwell . In due time Mr . Bradshaw is appointed to the charge of the Cambridge MSS ., and behold there the MSS . are after all ; and what is more , there they plainly had been all the while , all right .

Moreover , upon examination , Mr . Bradshaw discovers an erasure , the effect of which is to alter the date of the MS . where it occurs , by just 300 years . The interest which the question has for the general reader is , that the date of all the Vaudois MSS ., in Dublin , and in Geneva , as well as in Cambridge , is now conclusively brought down to the end of the fourteenth

or beginning of the fifteenth century , instead of the twelfth ; and among the rest of these MSS ., one broaching the theory of the Papal power being Antichrist . Dr . Todd publishes an account of the matter in a small volume , of which the title will explain the contents—The booh of the Vaudois : tlie Waldensian MSS . reserved in the Library of Trinity

p College , Lublin ; with an Appendix containing a Correspondence ( reprinted from the British Magazine ) on , ihe Poems of the Boor Men of Lyons , the Antiquity and Genuineness of the Waldensian Literature , and the supposed Loss of the Morland 21 SS . at Camh-idge , witTi Mr . Bradshaw ' s Paper on his recent Discovery of them .

( Macmillan ) . Those brethren who know how intimately , this early anti-papal sect was identified with Freemasons long before such a name was borne by a secret society , will thank us for giving them a hint where they may find some very curious matter well worthy of being carefully weighed and examined according to the lights we respectively possess . ]

INEIDEL EHEEMASONRY . What is meant by the term infidel Freemasonry ? —X . V . —[ We do not know any more than you do , but we feel sure it cannot by any means be made to comprehend Christian Freemasonry . ] THE FOUNDED OP EEEEMASONKT .

I have a catalogue of nineteen persons , all of whom are said to be the founder of Freemasonry . Is there any list in existence which gives all the reputed founders and the works wherein their claims are set forth ?—STUDENS . XOEK MASONRY .

Which of the Yorkshire lodges is the most perfect for working the York Masonry , and why is York Masonry different to London work ?—W . G . C . —[ A Yorkshire loclge is one thing , and a York Mason another . The first is a lodge held in that county , the second a brother of the York rite—once the great rite

of the world , but now—? i'importe . If the York working is different to that of the metropolis , it is only in some slight deviation not of any especial moment . Yorkshire Masons are—as a rule—innocent of the York working . ]

BUO . J . CAWDELI , , COMEDIAN . Wanted , some biographical notes of Bro . J . Cawdell , comedian , who wrote the Ode for the consecration of the Sunderland Lodge in 1778 . Particulars will oblige—* * . MASONIC EUNEBA 1 S .

Some one inquired if the Masonic burial service superseded the use of the Church liturgy at the funeral of a brother ? A reply was sent giving a reference to what had been done on one occasion in Jersey . That reply was totally beside the point . " The Ceremony and Service at a Mason ' s

Funeral , " as laid down in most of the text books , says : — " When the procession arrives at the gate of the churchyard , the lodge to which the deceased brother belonged , and all the rest of the brethren , must halt , till the members of the different lodges have formed a perfect circle round the grave , when an opening is made to receive them . They then march

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ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED MASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 10
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IRELAND. Article 17
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witness , or accessory , to making a Mason , unless he enter himself to a certain constituted lodge . " 16 . None to be entered to the lodge unless he be recommended at a monthly meeting by two of the brethren , unless it be a case of necessity . " 17 . The box is never to go out of the town of and no is to be entered in lace

, person any p but where the box is kept , unless it be more than three miles from the town . " The above seventeen rules were made with the consent of the whole brethren , with this addition—That if any brother shall come to a meeting , he being intoxicated with liquor , shall be " fined as he deserves . "

At a subsequent communication , it was enacted"That if any brother belonging to the lodge ( the ministers alone excepted ) , ancl being within three miles of the town at the day of the yearly meeting , and does not attend at the parade upon that day , shall be fined in 5 s . sterling for the use of the lodge , unless he

, or they , send an excuse in writing , which excuse must be approved of by the meeting ; and if any brother be absent at a monthly , and not send his excuse in writing , and the same approved of , shall be fined in Gd . sterling for the use of the lodge ; and every brother shall wear a leather apron , the Master only excepted . "

EE . EEMASONBY IN EllANCE . The lodges of the Rit Ecossias remain under the same ancient jurisdiction—that of the Supreme Grand Council of France , and the lodges of the French Rite under the same ancient jurisdicton as before—that of the Grand Orient of France . To the former belong one third of the lod and to the latter two-thirds .

ges , There are no longer lodges under the two rites in France . As a general principle abroad , symbolic or Craft lodges of the Rit Ecossais are under a Supreme Grand Council . The office of the Supreme Grand Council is 46 , Rue de la Victoire ; and of the G . O ., Rue Cadet . The records of the Supreme Council are

very carefully kept , and contain many objects of interest . The Grand Orient has a fine Masonic hall , which I described formerly in the FEEEMASONS ' MAGAZINE . —HTDE CLABKE , 33 ° , Member of the Jurisdiction of Supreme Grand Council of France , and of the G . O . of France .

A HINT . [ Almost a quarter of a century back , an elaborate controversy raged in the British Critic , in which no less persons than Mr . A . Herbert , Dr . Gilly , Mr . Maitland , of Lambeth , and Dr . Todd took part , a good deal of which turned upon the unaccountable disappearance from the Cambridge University Library of

certain Vaudois MSS ., circumstantially alleged to have been deposited there by Sir S . Morland in the time of Cromwell . In due time Mr . Bradshaw is appointed to the charge of the Cambridge MSS ., and behold there the MSS . are after all ; and what is more , there they plainly had been all the while , all right .

Moreover , upon examination , Mr . Bradshaw discovers an erasure , the effect of which is to alter the date of the MS . where it occurs , by just 300 years . The interest which the question has for the general reader is , that the date of all the Vaudois MSS ., in Dublin , and in Geneva , as well as in Cambridge , is now conclusively brought down to the end of the fourteenth

or beginning of the fifteenth century , instead of the twelfth ; and among the rest of these MSS ., one broaching the theory of the Papal power being Antichrist . Dr . Todd publishes an account of the matter in a small volume , of which the title will explain the contents—The booh of the Vaudois : tlie Waldensian MSS . reserved in the Library of Trinity

p College , Lublin ; with an Appendix containing a Correspondence ( reprinted from the British Magazine ) on , ihe Poems of the Boor Men of Lyons , the Antiquity and Genuineness of the Waldensian Literature , and the supposed Loss of the Morland 21 SS . at Camh-idge , witTi Mr . Bradshaw ' s Paper on his recent Discovery of them .

( Macmillan ) . Those brethren who know how intimately , this early anti-papal sect was identified with Freemasons long before such a name was borne by a secret society , will thank us for giving them a hint where they may find some very curious matter well worthy of being carefully weighed and examined according to the lights we respectively possess . ]

INEIDEL EHEEMASONRY . What is meant by the term infidel Freemasonry ? —X . V . —[ We do not know any more than you do , but we feel sure it cannot by any means be made to comprehend Christian Freemasonry . ] THE FOUNDED OP EEEEMASONKT .

I have a catalogue of nineteen persons , all of whom are said to be the founder of Freemasonry . Is there any list in existence which gives all the reputed founders and the works wherein their claims are set forth ?—STUDENS . XOEK MASONRY .

Which of the Yorkshire lodges is the most perfect for working the York Masonry , and why is York Masonry different to London work ?—W . G . C . —[ A Yorkshire loclge is one thing , and a York Mason another . The first is a lodge held in that county , the second a brother of the York rite—once the great rite

of the world , but now—? i'importe . If the York working is different to that of the metropolis , it is only in some slight deviation not of any especial moment . Yorkshire Masons are—as a rule—innocent of the York working . ]

BUO . J . CAWDELI , , COMEDIAN . Wanted , some biographical notes of Bro . J . Cawdell , comedian , who wrote the Ode for the consecration of the Sunderland Lodge in 1778 . Particulars will oblige—* * . MASONIC EUNEBA 1 S .

Some one inquired if the Masonic burial service superseded the use of the Church liturgy at the funeral of a brother ? A reply was sent giving a reference to what had been done on one occasion in Jersey . That reply was totally beside the point . " The Ceremony and Service at a Mason ' s

Funeral , " as laid down in most of the text books , says : — " When the procession arrives at the gate of the churchyard , the lodge to which the deceased brother belonged , and all the rest of the brethren , must halt , till the members of the different lodges have formed a perfect circle round the grave , when an opening is made to receive them . They then march

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