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The Grand-Orient.

cursory glance at what I did say . My information was received on the spot , and is strictly correct . Yours fraternally , THE WRITER OE THE ARTICLE . March 30 , 1868 .

Freemasonry And Christianity.

FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY .

_ TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , — -I am afraid that Bro . Oneal Haye and I must agree to differ on this subject ; but at the same time I must say that in my opinion his letter does not contain a single logical argument against my proposition . What can be more

fallacious than to argue that because an individual makes an unsupported assertion about R . A . Masonry , therefore Freemasonry is not founded on Christianity ? Again , our brother says he would swear a Mahomedan , a Chinese , & c , severally upon the Koranthe Works of Confucius & c" these

, , , being the unerring standards of truth and justice to them . " Oh , Bro . Oneal Haye , how can that , which is in itself untrue , be an unerring standard of truth to any one ? Bro . Oneal Haye says that , according to my doctrine , only a true Christian can be a true Freemason .

I do not think I have ever used the expression true Christian in any of my communications ; if I have done so it has been through inadvertence . Freemasonry being a human institution , may be , more or less true , accordingly as it is understood and practised ; but Christianity being Divine revelation , is

truth itself , and therefore incapable of qualification . I hold that a man may be a Christian , whatever the denomination of his sect may be , as religion is not a matter of outward appearance , but of the heart . I cannot conclude this short communication—and want of time , and not of inclination , precludes my

making it longer—without referring to a remarkable inconsistency in Bro . Oneal Have ' s letter—viz ., he begins by maintaining that Freemasonry is not founded on Christianity , and ends by stating its motto to be the Gospel message of " Glory to God in the highest , on earth peace , good-will toward men . " Yours fraternally , H . B . WIIITE .

King David's Charter.

KING DAVID'S CHARTER .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I see at page 214 of the Magazine some remarks about a charter said to be granted by "David the First , King of Scots , in 1157 , " regarding which I do not exactly understand what Bro . Hughan means in the above interesting

article . I would , therefore , respectfully call Bro . Hughan's attention to the fact that iu the year 1157 David the First had been four years dead , also that charters of his do not have the words "the first '' after his name . If said charter is genuine there is something wrong with the date . 1 would imagine

it may be David ( the Second ) about 1357 , as some extra orders or degrees are said to have originated about his time . Perhaps if I had seen the Freemasons' Magazine for March 1 st , 1860 , from which Bro . Hughan quotes , I would have understood him

King David's Charter.

better ; but not having it by me , or being able to get it here , I must wait until I get it down . This makes one feel the want of a Masonic library in connection with our hall . There are six lodges , two chapters , Royal Order , & c , meet in St . Mark ' s Hall here , and if each were giving a few pounds a library miht be

g soon started , and if once commenced I have no doubt but many members of literary tastes would gladly help by contributing a volume or so now and again . I hope such a thing will be inaugurated here before long . I may mention here that I shall attend to the

letters of Bros . Oneal Haye , D . Murray Lyon , and "R . Y ., ' ' as soon as possible , relative to which I must keep in mind your caution to he as concise as possible , so I must take care of my powder . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . Glasgow , March 30 th .

The Society Of Arts And Freemasonry.

THE SOCIETY OF ARTS AND FREEMASONRY .

TO THF . EDITOR OF TUB FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . ' Dear Sir and Brother ,- —Have any of the four recipients of the Albert gold medal of the above society—viz ., Rowland Hill , known for his penny postage ; the Emperor of the French , who abolished passports for us ; Faraday , the chemical discoverer ;

and Win . Fothergill Cooke , the introducer of telegraphy—ever been members of any English Masoniclodges ? Yours fraternally , M . M . St . John's Lodge , Torquay .

Masonic Jewel.

MASONIC JEWEL .

TO TIIE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOH . Dear Sir and Brother ,- —I have a jewel like the one described in vour last number , page 250 , except the letters , which are H . T . W . S . S . T . K . S . The centre is the crest of the owner ; my friend received it in America in a Mark Lodge . The ribbon is blue .

Yours fraternally , W . M . Dudley , March 2 S .

South Hackney District.

SOUTH HACKNEY DISTRICT .

TO THE EDITOK OF TnE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —If your correspondent " Yevey " had given his name and address I would not have troubled you with this communication , as I would have called upon him to confer on the subject of his letter in the Magazine of March 14 th , I being

precisely in the same situation he there speaks of . You will oblige by either permitting this to appear in your next or forwarding it ; to him , and we may then possibly see some way by which our mutual desire may be attained . Yours fraternally , J . L . FXSH . 1 , Malvem-villas , The Broadway , South Hackney .

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AN ANALYSIS OF ANCIENT AND MODERN FREEMASONRY. Article 1
(No. III).—A VISIT TO A FRENCH LODGE. Article 3
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
HEBREW CEREMONIES. Article 10
RED CROSS KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 10
"NOTES AND QUERIES ." Article 11
BRO. METHAM'S ORATION. Article 11
THE GRAND-ORIENT. Article 11
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 12
KING DAVID'S CHARTER. Article 12
THE SOCIETY OF ARTS AND FREEMASONRY. Article 12
MASONIC JEWEL. Article 12
SOUTH HACKNEY DISTRICT. Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 14
JAPAN. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
FUNERAL LODGE IN MEMORY OF THE LATE BRO. ISAAC HAWKER BEDFORD, P.M. OF THE HOWE LODGE (No. 587). Article 18
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 11TH , 1868. Article 20
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAT. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Grand-Orient.

cursory glance at what I did say . My information was received on the spot , and is strictly correct . Yours fraternally , THE WRITER OE THE ARTICLE . March 30 , 1868 .

Freemasonry And Christianity.

FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY .

_ TO THE EDITOR OE THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , — -I am afraid that Bro . Oneal Haye and I must agree to differ on this subject ; but at the same time I must say that in my opinion his letter does not contain a single logical argument against my proposition . What can be more

fallacious than to argue that because an individual makes an unsupported assertion about R . A . Masonry , therefore Freemasonry is not founded on Christianity ? Again , our brother says he would swear a Mahomedan , a Chinese , & c , severally upon the Koranthe Works of Confucius & c" these

, , , being the unerring standards of truth and justice to them . " Oh , Bro . Oneal Haye , how can that , which is in itself untrue , be an unerring standard of truth to any one ? Bro . Oneal Haye says that , according to my doctrine , only a true Christian can be a true Freemason .

I do not think I have ever used the expression true Christian in any of my communications ; if I have done so it has been through inadvertence . Freemasonry being a human institution , may be , more or less true , accordingly as it is understood and practised ; but Christianity being Divine revelation , is

truth itself , and therefore incapable of qualification . I hold that a man may be a Christian , whatever the denomination of his sect may be , as religion is not a matter of outward appearance , but of the heart . I cannot conclude this short communication—and want of time , and not of inclination , precludes my

making it longer—without referring to a remarkable inconsistency in Bro . Oneal Have ' s letter—viz ., he begins by maintaining that Freemasonry is not founded on Christianity , and ends by stating its motto to be the Gospel message of " Glory to God in the highest , on earth peace , good-will toward men . " Yours fraternally , H . B . WIIITE .

King David's Charter.

KING DAVID'S CHARTER .

TO THE EDITOE OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I see at page 214 of the Magazine some remarks about a charter said to be granted by "David the First , King of Scots , in 1157 , " regarding which I do not exactly understand what Bro . Hughan means in the above interesting

article . I would , therefore , respectfully call Bro . Hughan's attention to the fact that iu the year 1157 David the First had been four years dead , also that charters of his do not have the words "the first '' after his name . If said charter is genuine there is something wrong with the date . 1 would imagine

it may be David ( the Second ) about 1357 , as some extra orders or degrees are said to have originated about his time . Perhaps if I had seen the Freemasons' Magazine for March 1 st , 1860 , from which Bro . Hughan quotes , I would have understood him

King David's Charter.

better ; but not having it by me , or being able to get it here , I must wait until I get it down . This makes one feel the want of a Masonic library in connection with our hall . There are six lodges , two chapters , Royal Order , & c , meet in St . Mark ' s Hall here , and if each were giving a few pounds a library miht be

g soon started , and if once commenced I have no doubt but many members of literary tastes would gladly help by contributing a volume or so now and again . I hope such a thing will be inaugurated here before long . I may mention here that I shall attend to the

letters of Bros . Oneal Haye , D . Murray Lyon , and "R . Y ., ' ' as soon as possible , relative to which I must keep in mind your caution to he as concise as possible , so I must take care of my powder . Yours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN . Glasgow , March 30 th .

The Society Of Arts And Freemasonry.

THE SOCIETY OF ARTS AND FREEMASONRY .

TO THF . EDITOR OF TUB FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . ' Dear Sir and Brother ,- —Have any of the four recipients of the Albert gold medal of the above society—viz ., Rowland Hill , known for his penny postage ; the Emperor of the French , who abolished passports for us ; Faraday , the chemical discoverer ;

and Win . Fothergill Cooke , the introducer of telegraphy—ever been members of any English Masoniclodges ? Yours fraternally , M . M . St . John's Lodge , Torquay .

Masonic Jewel.

MASONIC JEWEL .

TO TIIE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIBBOH . Dear Sir and Brother ,- —I have a jewel like the one described in vour last number , page 250 , except the letters , which are H . T . W . S . S . T . K . S . The centre is the crest of the owner ; my friend received it in America in a Mark Lodge . The ribbon is blue .

Yours fraternally , W . M . Dudley , March 2 S .

South Hackney District.

SOUTH HACKNEY DISTRICT .

TO THE EDITOK OF TnE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —If your correspondent " Yevey " had given his name and address I would not have troubled you with this communication , as I would have called upon him to confer on the subject of his letter in the Magazine of March 14 th , I being

precisely in the same situation he there speaks of . You will oblige by either permitting this to appear in your next or forwarding it ; to him , and we may then possibly see some way by which our mutual desire may be attained . Yours fraternally , J . L . FXSH . 1 , Malvem-villas , The Broadway , South Hackney .

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