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Masonic Notes And Queries.

I say again to our learned Bro . Crux that these ceremonies must be studied under the light of contemporary knowledge of their day , and not by the new standard of ours . —H . C . NOTES ON PARIS NAMES . I send you a few notes on names of Paris lodges

, which differ much from ours : — Acacia . Admirers of the Universe . Beneficent and Admiring Friends of Osiris Eeunited . [ This is one of the Egyptian titles . ] Friends of Tolerance .

Triumphant Friends . The Future . Eeunited Benefactors . Clement Friendship . [ Founded in 1805 , a famous Lodge , Chapter , and Areopagus , worked in two rites . ]

_ Cosmopolite Clement Friendship . [ A name imitative of the last famous name . ] Council of the Gauls . [ Claiming to be founded in 1721 , an historical title , and one of the few old dates . ] Tbe Disci ples of Fenelon .

The Disci ples of Progress . The Mutual School . Masonic France . The Fraternity of Nations . The United Inseparable Brethren . [ This beats our 'Prudent Brethren . ]

The French Hospitallers . Isis Montijon . [ Founded 1808 , another E gyptian and historical name . ] Jerusalem of the Egyptian Valleys . [ Founded 1807 , and a curious combination of Jerusalem with Egypt- ]

The Oriental [ is about the only Lodge of the Eite of Mizraim . Toleration has killed this rite . ] Persevering Friendship . The Philadel phes . [ A . restoration in 1863 of an old historical name . ] Progress . New Birth by the Emulators of Hiram .

Eose of Perfect Silence . The Philosophic Hive . Saint Anthony of Perfect Content . [ As this was founded in 1785 , it gives some notion how the name of a saint came to be applied ; for saints are out of date in French Masonry . ]

St . Peter of True Friends . [ 1780 ditto . ] St . Peter of True Experts . [ 1 . 787 ditto . ] The Sectaries of Menes . The Temple of the French Friends of Honour . [ Thoroughly French . ] Work .

The Trinosophs of Bercy . Perfect Union of Perseverance . Masonic Union . Polar Star . Friends of Humanity . The Zealous Philanthropists .

Indivisible Hearts . Beneficence and Progress . The Benovators . Solidarity . The Workers . Philanthropic Union .

A few such as Hope are omitted . It will be seen there is full recognition by our French Brethren of Brotherly Love , Belief , and Truth . It is to be noted that few of these titles are of the last century , and that most are relatively new , and represent the recent aspirations of French Masonry . —K

FREEMASONRY AND BRO . SANDERSON . Bro . Sanderson agrees more with Bro . Buchan , we think , than he at first imagines . Both are of opinion that the third degree was unknown anterior to the 18 th century , and putting aside the mere word " speculative" they no doubt concur in believing

, Freemasonry since 1717 to be vastly different to what it was before that date . We base our opinion on the interesting letter that Bro . Sanderson wrote in the Freemasons' Magazine ( 22 nd August , 1868 ) , entitled " Antiquity of the Third Degree . " From that letter it is evident that the lodge at Houghfoot , although

more speculative than usual , was , after all , of a similar nature to the other operative lodges by which it was surrounded . JE . g ., What characterizes the old lodges chiefly was the absence of an elaborate Eitual , as also the fact that the third degree was never worked or known . In this respect the lodge at Houghfoot

was an operative lodge , however much it might have altered from its original basis . That it was partly speculative but accords with the experience of operative Masonry , not only in the 18 th but also in the 17 th centuries . One hundred years before th ( 5

Eecords of the Lodge of Houghfoot commence ( A . D . 1600 ) , Thomas Boswell , Esq ., was made a Warden in St . Mary ' s Chapel , Edinburgh ; and in 1641 the Hon . Eobert Moray joined the same lodge . What we mean by speculative in contradistinction to operative Masonry , is the system of Grand Lodges , Grand Mastersand Grand Officers of the Eevivalists ,

, without any operative intention , and solely for oilier pursuits than operative Masonry . We have , but to glance over the records of the ancient lodges , and those under the modern Grand Lodges , to witness the essential differences in the two systems , and the facts of Masonic history decidedly point to year 1717

as the line of demarcation between them . Would Bro . Sanderson kindly continue his account of the lodge at Houghfoot iu the Freemasons' Magazine , as his remarks and excerpts have been of much value already , and more of the same character would increase our indebtedness to him for his kindness .

Perhaps Bro . Sanderson would say whether if the " Grip and word" is mentioned in the records he refers to before A . D . 1720 ? — WILLIAM JAMES HUGHAN .

THE ROYAL ORDER . It is singular that the Eev . Mr . Spurgeon has adopted for the title of his religious magazine The Sivord and the Trowel , a name of peculiar significance to the Knights Companions of the Eoyal Order of Scotland . —J . A . H .

THE EMPEROR NAPOLEON III . I am informed b y a respected brother that a friend of his met the present Emperor of the French on several occasions in some London lodge , and I shall be glad if any correspondent of the Magazine can afford me the name of said lodge . —J . A . H .

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TOLERATION IN MASONIC ADMINISTRATION. Article 1
"LE MONDE MACONIQUE" AND THE " FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE." Article 2
MASONIC DISCIPLINE. Article 3
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 4
ADDRESS, Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY. Article 11
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MASONIC MEMS Article 13
GRAND LODGE. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
IRELAND. Article 15
CANADA. Article 15
MALTA. Article 15
INDIA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
HIGH KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 17
THE WALLACE. MONUMENT. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 11TH SEPTEMBER, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

I say again to our learned Bro . Crux that these ceremonies must be studied under the light of contemporary knowledge of their day , and not by the new standard of ours . —H . C . NOTES ON PARIS NAMES . I send you a few notes on names of Paris lodges

, which differ much from ours : — Acacia . Admirers of the Universe . Beneficent and Admiring Friends of Osiris Eeunited . [ This is one of the Egyptian titles . ] Friends of Tolerance .

Triumphant Friends . The Future . Eeunited Benefactors . Clement Friendship . [ Founded in 1805 , a famous Lodge , Chapter , and Areopagus , worked in two rites . ]

_ Cosmopolite Clement Friendship . [ A name imitative of the last famous name . ] Council of the Gauls . [ Claiming to be founded in 1721 , an historical title , and one of the few old dates . ] Tbe Disci ples of Fenelon .

The Disci ples of Progress . The Mutual School . Masonic France . The Fraternity of Nations . The United Inseparable Brethren . [ This beats our 'Prudent Brethren . ]

The French Hospitallers . Isis Montijon . [ Founded 1808 , another E gyptian and historical name . ] Jerusalem of the Egyptian Valleys . [ Founded 1807 , and a curious combination of Jerusalem with Egypt- ]

The Oriental [ is about the only Lodge of the Eite of Mizraim . Toleration has killed this rite . ] Persevering Friendship . The Philadel phes . [ A . restoration in 1863 of an old historical name . ] Progress . New Birth by the Emulators of Hiram .

Eose of Perfect Silence . The Philosophic Hive . Saint Anthony of Perfect Content . [ As this was founded in 1785 , it gives some notion how the name of a saint came to be applied ; for saints are out of date in French Masonry . ]

St . Peter of True Friends . [ 1780 ditto . ] St . Peter of True Experts . [ 1 . 787 ditto . ] The Sectaries of Menes . The Temple of the French Friends of Honour . [ Thoroughly French . ] Work .

The Trinosophs of Bercy . Perfect Union of Perseverance . Masonic Union . Polar Star . Friends of Humanity . The Zealous Philanthropists .

Indivisible Hearts . Beneficence and Progress . The Benovators . Solidarity . The Workers . Philanthropic Union .

A few such as Hope are omitted . It will be seen there is full recognition by our French Brethren of Brotherly Love , Belief , and Truth . It is to be noted that few of these titles are of the last century , and that most are relatively new , and represent the recent aspirations of French Masonry . —K

FREEMASONRY AND BRO . SANDERSON . Bro . Sanderson agrees more with Bro . Buchan , we think , than he at first imagines . Both are of opinion that the third degree was unknown anterior to the 18 th century , and putting aside the mere word " speculative" they no doubt concur in believing

, Freemasonry since 1717 to be vastly different to what it was before that date . We base our opinion on the interesting letter that Bro . Sanderson wrote in the Freemasons' Magazine ( 22 nd August , 1868 ) , entitled " Antiquity of the Third Degree . " From that letter it is evident that the lodge at Houghfoot , although

more speculative than usual , was , after all , of a similar nature to the other operative lodges by which it was surrounded . JE . g ., What characterizes the old lodges chiefly was the absence of an elaborate Eitual , as also the fact that the third degree was never worked or known . In this respect the lodge at Houghfoot

was an operative lodge , however much it might have altered from its original basis . That it was partly speculative but accords with the experience of operative Masonry , not only in the 18 th but also in the 17 th centuries . One hundred years before th ( 5

Eecords of the Lodge of Houghfoot commence ( A . D . 1600 ) , Thomas Boswell , Esq ., was made a Warden in St . Mary ' s Chapel , Edinburgh ; and in 1641 the Hon . Eobert Moray joined the same lodge . What we mean by speculative in contradistinction to operative Masonry , is the system of Grand Lodges , Grand Mastersand Grand Officers of the Eevivalists ,

, without any operative intention , and solely for oilier pursuits than operative Masonry . We have , but to glance over the records of the ancient lodges , and those under the modern Grand Lodges , to witness the essential differences in the two systems , and the facts of Masonic history decidedly point to year 1717

as the line of demarcation between them . Would Bro . Sanderson kindly continue his account of the lodge at Houghfoot iu the Freemasons' Magazine , as his remarks and excerpts have been of much value already , and more of the same character would increase our indebtedness to him for his kindness .

Perhaps Bro . Sanderson would say whether if the " Grip and word" is mentioned in the records he refers to before A . D . 1720 ? — WILLIAM JAMES HUGHAN .

THE ROYAL ORDER . It is singular that the Eev . Mr . Spurgeon has adopted for the title of his religious magazine The Sivord and the Trowel , a name of peculiar significance to the Knights Companions of the Eoyal Order of Scotland . —J . A . H .

THE EMPEROR NAPOLEON III . I am informed b y a respected brother that a friend of his met the present Emperor of the French on several occasions in some London lodge , and I shall be glad if any correspondent of the Magazine can afford me the name of said lodge . —J . A . H .

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