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Ineligibility Of Candidates For Freemasonry.

INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY .

COKEESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for tlie opinions expressed o _ y Correspondentt

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I perceive Bro . "W . L . " has returned to the charge again at page 171 , but his remarks want pith ; it seems to me his hand has got softened against my hard head , for the effect he produces is nil . However , I admire his candour ; his

quotation at page 171 , second column , eighteenth line from top , viz ., "Any mental defect , " & c , being all in my favour . Then , as to his O . B ., it must be different from mine ; I exclude an old man in dotage , a young man in nonage , a drunken man , an insane person , and a woman under any pretence whatever ;

I do not interpolate anything about a lame man , & c . The pretended " ancient landmarks " which " W . L . " is so terribly solicitous about , are , so far as speculative Freemasonry is concerned , simply imaginary moonshine , being twin-brothers to the following " ancient landmark" I lately heard , viz ., —Wh y . does "

your lodge stand east and west ? Liter alia , " Because the Eiver Euphrates runs so ! " Now , the Euphrates falls into the Persian Gulf , and for hundreds of miles runs in a southerly direction , ergo , said "landmark , " is * * * * As to the " ancient landmarks " manufactured since last century began , their

name is legion . I append copy of letter upon this subject , which I have just received from our Secretary , Bro . Bamber , and for which I thank him . I hi ghly respect its contents , it is from the Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of Scotland . Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

" 12 th March , 1869 . "Dear Sir and Brother , —In reply to your favour of llth current , I beg to state that other things being in order , the candidate being acceptable to your lodge , his want of an arm should be no barrier to his initiation . " I remain , vours fraternally , "W . A . LAURIE , G . S . "

MASONIC DISCIPLINE . TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —Pray allow me space for a few running comments on correspondence which appeared in your last number . 1 st . Crux ( p . 164 ) opens a subject on which there

is much looseness and variety , namely , the selection of an officer to prepare candidates for receiving the several degrees . In some lodges it is the Tyler , in others one of tbe' Deacons , or the brethren by whom they were proposed , or one specially requested by the W . M . at the time to perform the duty . Doubtless ,

as Crux says , " there ought to be some officer or member of the lodge appointed by the '• Constitutions ' to see to so important and serious a part of our ceremonial . " Incidentally , Crux states that there is nothing to prevent the same person filling -both offices of Secretary and Treasurer . " On perusal of this remark , it occurred to me that a brother in

this position had been required to give up one of these offices in a lodge , and on inquiry from him today as to the circumstances , I find that , corresponding with the late Grand Secretary , sometimes under the one and sometimes under the other appellation , according to the subject on which he wrote , he was

taken to task by the late Bro . W . Gray Clarke , and told that he could not hold both offices at the same time , the result of which was that he resigned one of them . 2 ndly . I agree with O . O . ( p . 169 ) that when a warrant has been issued which contains the names

of the chief officers of a new lodge , there appears no reason why the W . M . designate should not , under dispensation , call an emergency meeting of those named in the warrant , at which persons may be proposed for initiation on the day of installation and of the " constitution " of the lodge , though Bro . Hughan

says that now no ceremonies can be performed at that time , to prevent irregularities which have taken place , and if made a general rule on that ground , I concur in it . In my own case , mentioned in your number of August 21 st , I felt no difficulty on the point , being at the time a P . M . of another lodge . In that instance the ballot was taken on the day of "constitution , " after that ceremony .

Srdly . I believe with Bro . C . A . G . ( p . 169 ) that there are many men who " want the rank of P . M . " without doing the work . I know several instances in my own district where it has not only been wanted but obtained . As before remarked , I always set my face against the appointment of any one to fill the

first chair of a lodge , unless he be able at the time of his installation to declare his ability to perform his duties . In the lodge of which I am now a member by joining , I have seen three W . M . 's in office , only one of whom can do more than open and close the lodge , and of the older P . M . ' s who have served as

such in it and are still members , there is not one who can perform the ceremonies of the three degrees . It is true that the fault lies with the brethren who vote for them , but what can be done when there are some who hold that a W . M . may properly rule a lodge depending on his predecessors for the ceremonial part of his work ?

4 thly Bro . Gorham ( p . 173 ) doubts the propriety of making a difference in the manner of saluting between one who enters the lodge for the first time and one who has been in before on the same evening . My instructor was the late Bro . Honey , sent for the purpose about 20 years ago to a midland province by the Instruction Lodge of Emulation . I was taught

by him to make that difference , and have always enforced it in my own teaching , i . e ., on entering the lodge for the first time at any meeting " saluting in the lower degrees as well as that in which the lodge is at work , " and , in conformity with the rule laid down by Crux , requiring " a brother leaving the lodge

and returning , only to salute in the degree in which the lodge is open on his return . " I prefer to follow my instructor in this respect , for it must be remembered that the brethren present in the loclge from the commencement of the proceedings have given the signs of the lower degrees , and so has one who has been present during the several openings iu them , but has been called out for a few minutes . It is reasonable therefore , and promotive of uniformity , to

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TOLERATION IN MASONIC ADMINISTRATION. Article 1
"LE MONDE MACONIQUE" AND THE " FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE." Article 2
MASONIC DISCIPLINE. Article 3
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 4
ADDRESS, Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY. Article 11
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MASONIC MEMS Article 13
GRAND LODGE. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
IRELAND. Article 15
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INDIA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
HIGH KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 17
THE WALLACE. MONUMENT. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 11TH SEPTEMBER, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Ineligibility Of Candidates For Freemasonry.

INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY .

COKEESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for tlie opinions expressed o _ y Correspondentt

TO THE EDITOR OP THE FREEMASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I perceive Bro . "W . L . " has returned to the charge again at page 171 , but his remarks want pith ; it seems to me his hand has got softened against my hard head , for the effect he produces is nil . However , I admire his candour ; his

quotation at page 171 , second column , eighteenth line from top , viz ., "Any mental defect , " & c , being all in my favour . Then , as to his O . B ., it must be different from mine ; I exclude an old man in dotage , a young man in nonage , a drunken man , an insane person , and a woman under any pretence whatever ;

I do not interpolate anything about a lame man , & c . The pretended " ancient landmarks " which " W . L . " is so terribly solicitous about , are , so far as speculative Freemasonry is concerned , simply imaginary moonshine , being twin-brothers to the following " ancient landmark" I lately heard , viz ., —Wh y . does "

your lodge stand east and west ? Liter alia , " Because the Eiver Euphrates runs so ! " Now , the Euphrates falls into the Persian Gulf , and for hundreds of miles runs in a southerly direction , ergo , said "landmark , " is * * * * As to the " ancient landmarks " manufactured since last century began , their

name is legion . I append copy of letter upon this subject , which I have just received from our Secretary , Bro . Bamber , and for which I thank him . I hi ghly respect its contents , it is from the Grand Secretary of the Grand Lodge of Scotland . Tours fraternally , W . P . BUCHAN .

" 12 th March , 1869 . "Dear Sir and Brother , —In reply to your favour of llth current , I beg to state that other things being in order , the candidate being acceptable to your lodge , his want of an arm should be no barrier to his initiation . " I remain , vours fraternally , "W . A . LAURIE , G . S . "

MASONIC DISCIPLINE . TO THE EDITOR 01 ? THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —Pray allow me space for a few running comments on correspondence which appeared in your last number . 1 st . Crux ( p . 164 ) opens a subject on which there

is much looseness and variety , namely , the selection of an officer to prepare candidates for receiving the several degrees . In some lodges it is the Tyler , in others one of tbe' Deacons , or the brethren by whom they were proposed , or one specially requested by the W . M . at the time to perform the duty . Doubtless ,

as Crux says , " there ought to be some officer or member of the lodge appointed by the '• Constitutions ' to see to so important and serious a part of our ceremonial . " Incidentally , Crux states that there is nothing to prevent the same person filling -both offices of Secretary and Treasurer . " On perusal of this remark , it occurred to me that a brother in

this position had been required to give up one of these offices in a lodge , and on inquiry from him today as to the circumstances , I find that , corresponding with the late Grand Secretary , sometimes under the one and sometimes under the other appellation , according to the subject on which he wrote , he was

taken to task by the late Bro . W . Gray Clarke , and told that he could not hold both offices at the same time , the result of which was that he resigned one of them . 2 ndly . I agree with O . O . ( p . 169 ) that when a warrant has been issued which contains the names

of the chief officers of a new lodge , there appears no reason why the W . M . designate should not , under dispensation , call an emergency meeting of those named in the warrant , at which persons may be proposed for initiation on the day of installation and of the " constitution " of the lodge , though Bro . Hughan

says that now no ceremonies can be performed at that time , to prevent irregularities which have taken place , and if made a general rule on that ground , I concur in it . In my own case , mentioned in your number of August 21 st , I felt no difficulty on the point , being at the time a P . M . of another lodge . In that instance the ballot was taken on the day of "constitution , " after that ceremony .

Srdly . I believe with Bro . C . A . G . ( p . 169 ) that there are many men who " want the rank of P . M . " without doing the work . I know several instances in my own district where it has not only been wanted but obtained . As before remarked , I always set my face against the appointment of any one to fill the

first chair of a lodge , unless he be able at the time of his installation to declare his ability to perform his duties . In the lodge of which I am now a member by joining , I have seen three W . M . 's in office , only one of whom can do more than open and close the lodge , and of the older P . M . ' s who have served as

such in it and are still members , there is not one who can perform the ceremonies of the three degrees . It is true that the fault lies with the brethren who vote for them , but what can be done when there are some who hold that a W . M . may properly rule a lodge depending on his predecessors for the ceremonial part of his work ?

4 thly Bro . Gorham ( p . 173 ) doubts the propriety of making a difference in the manner of saluting between one who enters the lodge for the first time and one who has been in before on the same evening . My instructor was the late Bro . Honey , sent for the purpose about 20 years ago to a midland province by the Instruction Lodge of Emulation . I was taught

by him to make that difference , and have always enforced it in my own teaching , i . e ., on entering the lodge for the first time at any meeting " saluting in the lower degrees as well as that in which the lodge is at work , " and , in conformity with the rule laid down by Crux , requiring " a brother leaving the lodge

and returning , only to salute in the degree in which the lodge is open on his return . " I prefer to follow my instructor in this respect , for it must be remembered that the brethren present in the loclge from the commencement of the proceedings have given the signs of the lower degrees , and so has one who has been present during the several openings iu them , but has been called out for a few minutes . It is reasonable therefore , and promotive of uniformity , to

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