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Ineligibility Of Candidates For Freemasonry.

require any one who comes late to do the same . As to the case of Bro . Morris , who is said to have taken 142 degrees , and therefore might be " gesticulating the whole evening , " if his recollection of the signs served him so far , it seems to me not to the purpose , for the several departments of Masonry are kept

separate . In the Eoyal Arch , for instance , which is recognised b y Grand Craft Lodge , but under a distinct jurisdiction , we are not required to give the signs of the Craft degrees . Tours fraternally , August 30 , 1869 . H . H .

EEVISION OF THE BOOK OF CONSTITUTIONS . TO THE EDITOR OF TIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . _ Dear Sir and Brother , —Tour article in the Magazine of the 28 th inst ., on the necessity of a re-organization of our Masonic systemdeserves the utmost

, attention . I perused it with great pleasure , and I cordially agree with your premises . But , I go further than you , and I say that not onl y is more efficient organization needed , but that a thorough revision of the Book of Constitutions and a clear and distinct definition of the powers of the Grand Master are

also most urgently required . I reside in a province , the Grand Mastership of which lately became vacant by the resignation of the E . W . Brother who held it The vacancy was not filled up , and shortly afterwards tbe adjoining province of Hampshire also lost its Grand Master by

the hand of death . The M . W . G . M . then coolly and , as I think , unconstitutionall y ignored altogether the separate and independent existence of my province , and without the slightest previous intimation of what was intended , we were told by the G . See . that we must henceforth lose our individuality and be united with Hampshire as one province under the rule of Bro . Beach .

Now , since 1813 , the Isle of Wi ght has existed as a separate Masonic province under its own Grand Masters , and , so far back as 17 S 7 , I find that it had its own Deputy Provincial Grand Master aud a separate Provincial Grand Lodge . It contains five lodges , one dating back to 1732 , and Masonry has hitherto

grown and flourished—but why we are now , against our will , to be tied to a province with which we have no common interest and from which we are geographically cut off , is utterly incomprehensible . We have memorialized and petitioned the Grand Master to no purposeand we at last appealed to the

, Board of General Purposes , but they have refused to entertain the appeal on the grouud that it was a question of the Grand Master ' s prerogative ; so that we are reall y to lose our standing as a province and be turned over to another like so many sheep turned into a pen ! Why ? Because it is the Grand

Master ' s pleasure ! I contend , however , that the Board of General Purposes have quite inisunderotood the matter . We appealed against the extinction of our lodge , and not against the appointment of a Provincial Grand Master . The latter is an undoubted prerogative of the Grand Master , clearly and explicitly provided for in the Book of Constitutions ; but where is the law or the custom which gives the Grand Master the power to

abolish a Masonic province which was originally formed by Grand Loclge itself ? I entertain no doubt whatever that the arbitary decision of the Grand Master will give a death blow to Masonry in the Isle of Wight , and under such circumstances as these it is high time that the hand of the reformer was

resolutely applied to our whole system . A feeling of this description is widely prevalent among the brethren , and sooner or later it will have effect . I enclose my card , but not for publication , and am , Tours fraternally , Cowes . 30 th August , 1869 . JUSTITIA .

"CEUX" ON MASONIC DISCIPLINE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Eespected Friend , —Thy correspondent " Crux " ( and thou hast few his equal ) , iu his 19 th Article , seems to be in a little difficulty as to whose duty it is to prepare the candidate for initiation . I will tell hitn whose duty it is in the lodge to which I belong ,

and what determined us so to place that duty . In our lodge , as well as in all lodges , the candidate must have a proposer and seconder ; it is the duty of the proposer to prepare the candidate ; and , should the proposer be absent , that duty then devolves upon the seconder . The reason for this is that the

candidate must be well known to these two brethren , and will feel most at home with them during his being prepared . The practice of proposers and seconders may not be so general in the two following degrees , but with us the candidate for the two next degrees must be

proposed and seconded in open lodge as at his initiation , and in every case either his proposer or seconder mustprepare him . I remain , thy sincere friend , THE QUAKES .

REVISION OF THE RITUAL . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Whilst fully admitting the value of Crux ' s remarks with reference to the ritual used in opening the lodge , may I be allowed to suggest for his consideration that it would be less a departure from

the present form if the answer to the fifth ancl seventh questions were respectively , "Immediately without the door of the lodge , " and " Immediately within the door of the lodge . " It seems to me that tbe addition of this one word , " Immediately , " in the way I have pointed out , would define the position of each officer as accurately as Crux could wish . Tours fraternally , H . M . G .

THE new three act comedy by Mr . Tom Taylor and llr . Dabourg was produced , on the 20 th ult ., at the Theatre Royal , Manchester , Mr . Buckstone and the-Haymarket company , plus Miss Madge Robertson , sustaining the principal characters . The comedy , which is entitled " New Men and Old Acres , or a Managing Mamma" and is designed to contrast the hereditary

, possessors of an " Abbey " and estates with the wealthy parvenu , to the great disadvantage of the latter , appears to have given great satisfaction . It will be produced in London at the opening of the next season at the Hay market .

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TOLERATION IN MASONIC ADMINISTRATION. Article 1
"LE MONDE MACONIQUE" AND THE " FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE." Article 2
MASONIC DISCIPLINE. Article 3
CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 4
ADDRESS, Article 6
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
INELIGIBILITY OF CANDIDATES FOR FREEMASONRY. Article 11
Untitled Article 13
MASONIC MEMS Article 13
GRAND LODGE. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 14
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
IRELAND. Article 15
CANADA. Article 15
MALTA. Article 15
INDIA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
HIGH KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 17
LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 17
THE WALLACE. MONUMENT. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 11TH SEPTEMBER, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Ineligibility Of Candidates For Freemasonry.

require any one who comes late to do the same . As to the case of Bro . Morris , who is said to have taken 142 degrees , and therefore might be " gesticulating the whole evening , " if his recollection of the signs served him so far , it seems to me not to the purpose , for the several departments of Masonry are kept

separate . In the Eoyal Arch , for instance , which is recognised b y Grand Craft Lodge , but under a distinct jurisdiction , we are not required to give the signs of the Craft degrees . Tours fraternally , August 30 , 1869 . H . H .

EEVISION OF THE BOOK OF CONSTITUTIONS . TO THE EDITOR OF TIE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . _ Dear Sir and Brother , —Tour article in the Magazine of the 28 th inst ., on the necessity of a re-organization of our Masonic systemdeserves the utmost

, attention . I perused it with great pleasure , and I cordially agree with your premises . But , I go further than you , and I say that not onl y is more efficient organization needed , but that a thorough revision of the Book of Constitutions and a clear and distinct definition of the powers of the Grand Master are

also most urgently required . I reside in a province , the Grand Mastership of which lately became vacant by the resignation of the E . W . Brother who held it The vacancy was not filled up , and shortly afterwards tbe adjoining province of Hampshire also lost its Grand Master by

the hand of death . The M . W . G . M . then coolly and , as I think , unconstitutionall y ignored altogether the separate and independent existence of my province , and without the slightest previous intimation of what was intended , we were told by the G . See . that we must henceforth lose our individuality and be united with Hampshire as one province under the rule of Bro . Beach .

Now , since 1813 , the Isle of Wi ght has existed as a separate Masonic province under its own Grand Masters , and , so far back as 17 S 7 , I find that it had its own Deputy Provincial Grand Master aud a separate Provincial Grand Lodge . It contains five lodges , one dating back to 1732 , and Masonry has hitherto

grown and flourished—but why we are now , against our will , to be tied to a province with which we have no common interest and from which we are geographically cut off , is utterly incomprehensible . We have memorialized and petitioned the Grand Master to no purposeand we at last appealed to the

, Board of General Purposes , but they have refused to entertain the appeal on the grouud that it was a question of the Grand Master ' s prerogative ; so that we are reall y to lose our standing as a province and be turned over to another like so many sheep turned into a pen ! Why ? Because it is the Grand

Master ' s pleasure ! I contend , however , that the Board of General Purposes have quite inisunderotood the matter . We appealed against the extinction of our lodge , and not against the appointment of a Provincial Grand Master . The latter is an undoubted prerogative of the Grand Master , clearly and explicitly provided for in the Book of Constitutions ; but where is the law or the custom which gives the Grand Master the power to

abolish a Masonic province which was originally formed by Grand Loclge itself ? I entertain no doubt whatever that the arbitary decision of the Grand Master will give a death blow to Masonry in the Isle of Wight , and under such circumstances as these it is high time that the hand of the reformer was

resolutely applied to our whole system . A feeling of this description is widely prevalent among the brethren , and sooner or later it will have effect . I enclose my card , but not for publication , and am , Tours fraternally , Cowes . 30 th August , 1869 . JUSTITIA .

"CEUX" ON MASONIC DISCIPLINE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . Eespected Friend , —Thy correspondent " Crux " ( and thou hast few his equal ) , iu his 19 th Article , seems to be in a little difficulty as to whose duty it is to prepare the candidate for initiation . I will tell hitn whose duty it is in the lodge to which I belong ,

and what determined us so to place that duty . In our lodge , as well as in all lodges , the candidate must have a proposer and seconder ; it is the duty of the proposer to prepare the candidate ; and , should the proposer be absent , that duty then devolves upon the seconder . The reason for this is that the

candidate must be well known to these two brethren , and will feel most at home with them during his being prepared . The practice of proposers and seconders may not be so general in the two following degrees , but with us the candidate for the two next degrees must be

proposed and seconded in open lodge as at his initiation , and in every case either his proposer or seconder mustprepare him . I remain , thy sincere friend , THE QUAKES .

REVISION OF THE RITUAL . TO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIEEOB . Dear Sir and Brother , —Whilst fully admitting the value of Crux ' s remarks with reference to the ritual used in opening the lodge , may I be allowed to suggest for his consideration that it would be less a departure from

the present form if the answer to the fifth ancl seventh questions were respectively , "Immediately without the door of the lodge , " and " Immediately within the door of the lodge . " It seems to me that tbe addition of this one word , " Immediately , " in the way I have pointed out , would define the position of each officer as accurately as Crux could wish . Tours fraternally , H . M . G .

THE new three act comedy by Mr . Tom Taylor and llr . Dabourg was produced , on the 20 th ult ., at the Theatre Royal , Manchester , Mr . Buckstone and the-Haymarket company , plus Miss Madge Robertson , sustaining the principal characters . The comedy , which is entitled " New Men and Old Acres , or a Managing Mamma" and is designed to contrast the hereditary

, possessors of an " Abbey " and estates with the wealthy parvenu , to the great disadvantage of the latter , appears to have given great satisfaction . It will be produced in London at the opening of the next season at the Hay market .

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