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" Justitia" And The "Masonic Observer."

addressing you in language which they cither cannot understand , or ivhich they see fit to misrepresent . I have taken the trouble to peruse the last number of that journal ( ivhich , by the way , hung fire a great deal , and was not published until some days after the proper date ) , and I must admit that I am considerably amused hy its contents . It is not surprising that the " Observer party" should wince under thc well deserved chastisement ivhich has of late been inflicted on them somewhat unsparingly ; but I question whether they ivill advance their cause

by adopting the style of language which pervades thc last number . 'To say nothing of the epithets Avhich they apply to me , they speak generally of their opponents as Brethren who are conducting a " Billingsgate system of opposition , " in which "Ave stoop to scurrilous misrepresentation . " In fact , their writers , although boasting about social position ami intellectual attainments , seem unable to pen tivelve consecutive hues without the introduction of some of these expletives . Sweeping away all these "tall words" ivhat do the writers ofthe Observer

, advance ? Let us see . Of course they are most violent against Bro . Havers , whose ability , eloquence , and influence , they have latterly had such cause to fear ; but I think that they overstep the bounds of prudence when they repeat thc silly charge made by Bro . G-. 11 . Portal at the last Grand Lodge . Let us see how this matter stands . I quote the Avords used by Bro .

Havers , from the Observer itself . In speaking of the Hall and 'Tavern question , he said that "ho hoped that the consideration of this question would be kept clear of party feeling in Grand Lodge ; " and upon an obserA-ation being made , he at once added that he did not refer to Bro . Lord Carnarvon , for Avhom he entertained a high respect . Is this " offensive impertinence" V Shortly aftenvards , it being past eleven , Bro . Lord Carnarvon left the Grand Lodge , aud Bro . G . R . Portal then attacked Bro . Havers , and said ( I again quote from the Observer ) that "he , Bro . Havers , had already by his impertinences

, driven one noble lord from the room that night ; " and upon being crdled to order by the Grand Master , Bro . G . E . Portal added that " ivhen the Earl of Carnan'oii ivas leaving the room , he told him ( Bro . Portal ) that he ivould not remain to be subject to such insolence . " I am sorry that I cannot quote further from the Observer . They have felt it discreet not to give to their party a copy of the correspondence which has since passed between Bro . Lord Carnarvon and Bro . Havers on this subjectand ivhich appeared in your number of the 22 nd December ( page

, , 1167 ) . Iivould not have adverted to it , had not the " Observer party " foolishly repeated the charge , after Bro . Lord-Carnarvon had distinctly written on the 10 th December , that the Avoids above quoted as having been used by Bro . G . R . Portal " are not those ivhich he ( Lord Carnarvon ) employed , nor do they express ivith accuracy that which he then thought or said . "

Bro . the Lev . G . R . Portal being thus openly convicted by the pen of Bro . Lord Carnarvon himself , it ivould have been more discreet if the Observer had left thc matter alone . The Brethren must judge for themselves and in so doing they will , I think , agree with me , that there was- no impertinence or impropriety whatever in the remark of Bro . Havers ; and as regards Bro . Portal , there cannot be two opinions as . to the conclusion at AA-hich they must arrii-e . In quitting this subject , I shall not discuss the taste which dictated the written replies addressed b y Bro . Lord Carnan'oii to the President of the Board of General Purposes ; yet I cannot help observing , that from the late . Prince Regent doivnivards , uo ' royal or noble Mason , hoAvever high his rank ,

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Untitled Article 1
Untitled Article 2
INDEX. Article 3
THE MASONIC MIRROR, Article 6
FREEMASONS' HALL. Article 11
CAGLIOSTRO AND THE LODGE OF ANTIQUITY. Article 13
THE DUTIES OF FREEMASONRY. Article 22
REVIEWS OF NEW BOOKS. Article 26
Selection Article 30
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 31
" JUSTITIA" AND THE "MASONIC OBSERVER." Article 31
CHARITY. Article 34
FREEMASONRY AND CHRISTIANITY. Article 35
THE PROVINCIAL GRAND LODGE OF SOMERSETSHIRE. Article 35
MASONIC HALLS versus TAVERNS. Article 36
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 37
PROVINCIAL. Article 39
ROYAL ARCH. Article 52
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 52
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 53
THE WEEK. Article 55
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 58
NOTICES. Article 58
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 58
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" Justitia" And The "Masonic Observer."

addressing you in language which they cither cannot understand , or ivhich they see fit to misrepresent . I have taken the trouble to peruse the last number of that journal ( ivhich , by the way , hung fire a great deal , and was not published until some days after the proper date ) , and I must admit that I am considerably amused hy its contents . It is not surprising that the " Observer party" should wince under thc well deserved chastisement ivhich has of late been inflicted on them somewhat unsparingly ; but I question whether they ivill advance their cause

by adopting the style of language which pervades thc last number . 'To say nothing of the epithets Avhich they apply to me , they speak generally of their opponents as Brethren who are conducting a " Billingsgate system of opposition , " in which "Ave stoop to scurrilous misrepresentation . " In fact , their writers , although boasting about social position ami intellectual attainments , seem unable to pen tivelve consecutive hues without the introduction of some of these expletives . Sweeping away all these "tall words" ivhat do the writers ofthe Observer

, advance ? Let us see . Of course they are most violent against Bro . Havers , whose ability , eloquence , and influence , they have latterly had such cause to fear ; but I think that they overstep the bounds of prudence when they repeat thc silly charge made by Bro . G-. 11 . Portal at the last Grand Lodge . Let us see how this matter stands . I quote the Avords used by Bro .

Havers , from the Observer itself . In speaking of the Hall and 'Tavern question , he said that "ho hoped that the consideration of this question would be kept clear of party feeling in Grand Lodge ; " and upon an obserA-ation being made , he at once added that he did not refer to Bro . Lord Carnarvon , for Avhom he entertained a high respect . Is this " offensive impertinence" V Shortly aftenvards , it being past eleven , Bro . Lord Carnarvon left the Grand Lodge , aud Bro . G . R . Portal then attacked Bro . Havers , and said ( I again quote from the Observer ) that "he , Bro . Havers , had already by his impertinences

, driven one noble lord from the room that night ; " and upon being crdled to order by the Grand Master , Bro . G . E . Portal added that " ivhen the Earl of Carnan'oii ivas leaving the room , he told him ( Bro . Portal ) that he ivould not remain to be subject to such insolence . " I am sorry that I cannot quote further from the Observer . They have felt it discreet not to give to their party a copy of the correspondence which has since passed between Bro . Lord Carnarvon and Bro . Havers on this subjectand ivhich appeared in your number of the 22 nd December ( page

, , 1167 ) . Iivould not have adverted to it , had not the " Observer party " foolishly repeated the charge , after Bro . Lord-Carnarvon had distinctly written on the 10 th December , that the Avoids above quoted as having been used by Bro . G . R . Portal " are not those ivhich he ( Lord Carnarvon ) employed , nor do they express ivith accuracy that which he then thought or said . "

Bro . the Lev . G . R . Portal being thus openly convicted by the pen of Bro . Lord Carnarvon himself , it ivould have been more discreet if the Observer had left thc matter alone . The Brethren must judge for themselves and in so doing they will , I think , agree with me , that there was- no impertinence or impropriety whatever in the remark of Bro . Havers ; and as regards Bro . Portal , there cannot be two opinions as . to the conclusion at AA-hich they must arrii-e . In quitting this subject , I shall not discuss the taste which dictated the written replies addressed b y Bro . Lord Carnan'oii to the President of the Board of General Purposes ; yet I cannot help observing , that from the late . Prince Regent doivnivards , uo ' royal or noble Mason , hoAvever high his rank ,

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