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Provincial.

India , m Australia , and even in New Zealand , and the cool assumption with which a Provincial Grand Secretary presumes to step in between the prerogative of the Grand Master and the editor of the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE , and audaciously to stigmatise that publication " an infringement of the laws of Masonry" and " directly contrary to the 'Book of Constitutions , '" is something truly amusing . Does this brother possess a copy of that law he so flippantlquotes ? then let him

y compare Article 3 , page 77 , with the heading of the FREEMASONS ' MAGAZINE , hold his own circular in his hand , and perform a gesticulating operation supposed to be common to good Welshmen upon the present saint's clay . The brother went on to say—It is well known that the sole instigators to a movement which will make the province a laughing-stock in Masonic circles are a few disaffected members of the Glamorgan Lod who happen

ge to hold office in the Provincial Grand Lodge , and to whom the too faithful ancl correct report in the able publication referred to , of a most extraordinary ancl totally unprecedented proceeding , not to say an outrageous mockery , to which they were parties , had naturally given some offence ; but , added the brother , I am happy to say that the annals of the Bute Lodge never did contain , and I trust never will contain , anything it

would disgrace us to publish among brother Masons . Bro . Ware concluded with the following resolution , — "That this lodge desires to express its unfeigned regret that any attempt should be made in this province to suppress the faithful reports of Masonic proceedings in the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE , ' a publication devoted exclusively to the interests of Freemasonry , and in whose pages such reports are published hthe direct sanction

y of the M . W . the Grand Master , the supreme ruler of the Craft , " and stated that he had not shown his proposition to any brother , much less solicited any to second it ; but that if any brother would do so , he pledged himself , unless it received the unanimous consent of the lodge , rather than disturb that complete harmony which had never permitted a division upon any subject , he would withdraw the proposition . —Bro . PHILIP BIRD ,

Treasurer , immediately rose most cordially and heartily to second a resolution , which had his complete concurrence . Bro . Bird narrated more than one pleasing incident in his own experience , owing to the publication of the reports of this lodge . He

stated that he had received several kind and truly Masonic communications from brethren at a distance , who knew nothing personally , of him but what they had seen in the pages of the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE ; and he thought it too bad that because certain members of the Glamorgan Lodge choose to take umbrage at the showing up of their mistakes , an attempt should he made to deprive the province of all share in the annals of Masonic literature . He did not believe any such attempt would

for a moment succeed with the Bute Lodge , whose members were entirely ancl unreservedly in favour of such reports , ancl he hoped and believed that this resolution would be unanimously carried , —Bro . MARTIN , J . W ., also deprecated any attempt to interfere with the liberties of the Masonic press , and stated that upon recently visiting the town of Liverpool , the right hand of fellowship was held out to him by many brethren

total strangers to himself , but who told him that from reading the MAGAZINE they appeared to know almost as much of tho proceedings of the Bute Lodgo as they did of their own . —¦ Bro . DALZIEL , S . W ., followed upon the same side , and again referred to the discrepancy between the statement in the circular of the Provincial Grand Lodge Secretary and the " Book of Constitutions- " and expressed the common-sense opinion that

, the consent of the Grand Master must overrule all subordinate and intermediate authorities . —An interesting and animated , but at the same time perfectly good-tempered anel harmonious , discussion ensued , in the course of which not a single dissentient voice was raised to the original proposition . —At its conclusion the W . M . rose and said -. He was placed in a somewhat awkward , if not unpleasant predicament . As had been stated

during the discussion , his own present views upon this matter were entirely of a different nature to those implied and expressed in the circular of the Provincial Grand Secretary . Ho was entirely in favour of an unlimited restriction as regards the reports of Masonic proceedings in a solely Masonic and well conducted [ publication ; ancl , as had also been stated , it was quite true he had thought it his dutto convey those

sentiy ments to Provincial Grand Lodge . He was sure it would show , at any rate , bad taste on the part of the Bute Lodge to take exception to anything which had appeared in the MAGAZINE in reference to their own proceedings . The only fault which he could attempt to find was , that , as regarded his own humble

Provincial.

services , those reports had , perhaps , been written by too partial a hand . ( No , no ) . At the same time he felt it his stern duty to endeavour to uphold the authority of the Provincial Grand Lodge , of which he formed a portion , and on that ground , and upon that ground alone , he would feel bound to record an adverse vote upon this proposition , which would disturb the perfect unanimity so much desired in this lodge . He , therefore , with the greatest possible amount of good faith and good feeling ,

and with a renewed assurance that his own private views werequite in accordance with the rest of the lodge , called upon theproposer to redeem the pledge given upon making the proposition , at the same time promising that if this course were adopted , he would not fail to convey to the Provincial Grand Lodge what evidently was the unanimous opinion of the bretliren of the Bute Lodge upon this interesting subject . —Bro . WARE replied , that the perfect unanimity of opinion which had been

expressed upon tho matter had almost taken him by surprise , not having previously consulted a single brother upon the subject . He felt convinced that the motion was nothing but a . true utterance ofthe sentiments and feelings of the lodge ; and if he consented under these circumstances to withdraw it , the W . M . must take it as a personal compliment to himself ( the pledge having been given under a contingency which did not now exist , viz ., the fear of a division ) , as a token of admiration on the part of the proposer of

the manner m which the W . M . had always conducted the affairs of this lodge , and as a Masonic deference to the conflict between feeling and duty which he had expressed . At the same time , he ( the proposer ) begged again to express his opinion that this circular of the Provincial Grand Secretary's was an attempt solely pushed on by one or two dissatisfied members of another lodge , as undignified and unwarrantable as it was weak and . absurdto interfere with the liberties of the Masonic press ; and

, one with which , as long as a contrary line of conduct was supported by the unanimous approval of the largest and most influential lodge in the province , and had the sanction of the-Grand Master of England , he , for one , would never co-operate . — The worthy seconder expressed similar views , and still morereluctantly gave his consent to the withdrawal of the resolution , which course was , however , ultimately adopted , on the distinct

undertaking of the respected W . M . faithfully to convey the sentiments of the Bute Lodge to the Provincial Grand Lodge . —Bro . S . Harris being desirous of passing to the F . C . degree , underwent a satisfactory examination , and the lodge having been opened in tho second degree , Bro . Harris was admitted ancl passed to that degree . The W . M . subsequently delivered the lecture on the tracing board of this degree , a portion of the ceremony never omitted in this model lodge unless absolutely necessary , ancl the lodge was closed down finally in perfect harmony shortly after nine o'clock .

Channel Islands.

CHANNEL ISLANDS .

JERSEY . ST . AUBIN ' S LODGE ( NO . 958 ) . —The ordinary monthly meeting was held at the Masonic-rooms , St . Aubin , on Thursday , February 16 th . The lodge was opened at half-past six by Dr . Hopkins , W . M ., assisted by Bro . E . C . M . De Carteret , S . W . ; and Bro . Mannan , acting as J . W . in the absence of the regular officer . The post of I . P . M . was kindly taken by Bro . Peagam

, of the Royal Sussex Lodge . The minutes of the meeting were read and confirmed . The W . M . having stated the result of his inquiries respecting Mr . II . Montagu , a candidate for initiation , a ballot was taken , which was unanimously in his favour . Bro . the Rev . F . De la Mare , late Chaplain of the lodge , was elected an honorary member . The W . M . presented another set of designs , framed ancl glazed , for a lodge seal and envelope

stamp , and stated that the committee appointed for the purpose having made a selection , drawings had been sent to have the dies prepared , and a press had been ordered . Several accounts were directed to be paid . Bro . II . A int was presented for examination on the first degree , and having answered very satisfactorily , was entrusted , and subsequently duly passed as a Fellow Craftafter which he received the customary charge

, from the W . M . The W . M . read the portion of the published proceedings of Grand Lodge on December 4 th , so far as they referred to the appeal of Bro . Baudains and others against the decree of the Prov . G . M . of Jersey for their suspension . The lodge was closed in the second degree . Bro . Hoequard , P . M .,

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CLASSICAL THEOLOGY.—LXXIV. Article 1
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BLUE AND RED MASONRY. Article 6
Untitled Article 6
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 7
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 13
Untitled Article 14
CANADA WEST. Article 14
AUSTRALIA. Article 16
CHINA. Article 16
Poetry. Article 16
BE PATIENT AND KIND TO THY MOTHER. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 17
THE WEEK. Article 17
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Provincial.

India , m Australia , and even in New Zealand , and the cool assumption with which a Provincial Grand Secretary presumes to step in between the prerogative of the Grand Master and the editor of the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE , and audaciously to stigmatise that publication " an infringement of the laws of Masonry" and " directly contrary to the 'Book of Constitutions , '" is something truly amusing . Does this brother possess a copy of that law he so flippantlquotes ? then let him

y compare Article 3 , page 77 , with the heading of the FREEMASONS ' MAGAZINE , hold his own circular in his hand , and perform a gesticulating operation supposed to be common to good Welshmen upon the present saint's clay . The brother went on to say—It is well known that the sole instigators to a movement which will make the province a laughing-stock in Masonic circles are a few disaffected members of the Glamorgan Lod who happen

ge to hold office in the Provincial Grand Lodge , and to whom the too faithful ancl correct report in the able publication referred to , of a most extraordinary ancl totally unprecedented proceeding , not to say an outrageous mockery , to which they were parties , had naturally given some offence ; but , added the brother , I am happy to say that the annals of the Bute Lodge never did contain , and I trust never will contain , anything it

would disgrace us to publish among brother Masons . Bro . Ware concluded with the following resolution , — "That this lodge desires to express its unfeigned regret that any attempt should be made in this province to suppress the faithful reports of Masonic proceedings in the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE , ' a publication devoted exclusively to the interests of Freemasonry , and in whose pages such reports are published hthe direct sanction

y of the M . W . the Grand Master , the supreme ruler of the Craft , " and stated that he had not shown his proposition to any brother , much less solicited any to second it ; but that if any brother would do so , he pledged himself , unless it received the unanimous consent of the lodge , rather than disturb that complete harmony which had never permitted a division upon any subject , he would withdraw the proposition . —Bro . PHILIP BIRD ,

Treasurer , immediately rose most cordially and heartily to second a resolution , which had his complete concurrence . Bro . Bird narrated more than one pleasing incident in his own experience , owing to the publication of the reports of this lodge . He

stated that he had received several kind and truly Masonic communications from brethren at a distance , who knew nothing personally , of him but what they had seen in the pages of the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE ; and he thought it too bad that because certain members of the Glamorgan Lodge choose to take umbrage at the showing up of their mistakes , an attempt should he made to deprive the province of all share in the annals of Masonic literature . He did not believe any such attempt would

for a moment succeed with the Bute Lodge , whose members were entirely ancl unreservedly in favour of such reports , ancl he hoped and believed that this resolution would be unanimously carried , —Bro . MARTIN , J . W ., also deprecated any attempt to interfere with the liberties of the Masonic press , and stated that upon recently visiting the town of Liverpool , the right hand of fellowship was held out to him by many brethren

total strangers to himself , but who told him that from reading the MAGAZINE they appeared to know almost as much of tho proceedings of the Bute Lodgo as they did of their own . —¦ Bro . DALZIEL , S . W ., followed upon the same side , and again referred to the discrepancy between the statement in the circular of the Provincial Grand Lodge Secretary and the " Book of Constitutions- " and expressed the common-sense opinion that

, the consent of the Grand Master must overrule all subordinate and intermediate authorities . —An interesting and animated , but at the same time perfectly good-tempered anel harmonious , discussion ensued , in the course of which not a single dissentient voice was raised to the original proposition . —At its conclusion the W . M . rose and said -. He was placed in a somewhat awkward , if not unpleasant predicament . As had been stated

during the discussion , his own present views upon this matter were entirely of a different nature to those implied and expressed in the circular of the Provincial Grand Secretary . Ho was entirely in favour of an unlimited restriction as regards the reports of Masonic proceedings in a solely Masonic and well conducted [ publication ; ancl , as had also been stated , it was quite true he had thought it his dutto convey those

sentiy ments to Provincial Grand Lodge . He was sure it would show , at any rate , bad taste on the part of the Bute Lodge to take exception to anything which had appeared in the MAGAZINE in reference to their own proceedings . The only fault which he could attempt to find was , that , as regarded his own humble

Provincial.

services , those reports had , perhaps , been written by too partial a hand . ( No , no ) . At the same time he felt it his stern duty to endeavour to uphold the authority of the Provincial Grand Lodge , of which he formed a portion , and on that ground , and upon that ground alone , he would feel bound to record an adverse vote upon this proposition , which would disturb the perfect unanimity so much desired in this lodge . He , therefore , with the greatest possible amount of good faith and good feeling ,

and with a renewed assurance that his own private views werequite in accordance with the rest of the lodge , called upon theproposer to redeem the pledge given upon making the proposition , at the same time promising that if this course were adopted , he would not fail to convey to the Provincial Grand Lodge what evidently was the unanimous opinion of the bretliren of the Bute Lodge upon this interesting subject . —Bro . WARE replied , that the perfect unanimity of opinion which had been

expressed upon tho matter had almost taken him by surprise , not having previously consulted a single brother upon the subject . He felt convinced that the motion was nothing but a . true utterance ofthe sentiments and feelings of the lodge ; and if he consented under these circumstances to withdraw it , the W . M . must take it as a personal compliment to himself ( the pledge having been given under a contingency which did not now exist , viz ., the fear of a division ) , as a token of admiration on the part of the proposer of

the manner m which the W . M . had always conducted the affairs of this lodge , and as a Masonic deference to the conflict between feeling and duty which he had expressed . At the same time , he ( the proposer ) begged again to express his opinion that this circular of the Provincial Grand Secretary's was an attempt solely pushed on by one or two dissatisfied members of another lodge , as undignified and unwarrantable as it was weak and . absurdto interfere with the liberties of the Masonic press ; and

, one with which , as long as a contrary line of conduct was supported by the unanimous approval of the largest and most influential lodge in the province , and had the sanction of the-Grand Master of England , he , for one , would never co-operate . — The worthy seconder expressed similar views , and still morereluctantly gave his consent to the withdrawal of the resolution , which course was , however , ultimately adopted , on the distinct

undertaking of the respected W . M . faithfully to convey the sentiments of the Bute Lodge to the Provincial Grand Lodge . —Bro . S . Harris being desirous of passing to the F . C . degree , underwent a satisfactory examination , and the lodge having been opened in tho second degree , Bro . Harris was admitted ancl passed to that degree . The W . M . subsequently delivered the lecture on the tracing board of this degree , a portion of the ceremony never omitted in this model lodge unless absolutely necessary , ancl the lodge was closed down finally in perfect harmony shortly after nine o'clock .

Channel Islands.

CHANNEL ISLANDS .

JERSEY . ST . AUBIN ' S LODGE ( NO . 958 ) . —The ordinary monthly meeting was held at the Masonic-rooms , St . Aubin , on Thursday , February 16 th . The lodge was opened at half-past six by Dr . Hopkins , W . M ., assisted by Bro . E . C . M . De Carteret , S . W . ; and Bro . Mannan , acting as J . W . in the absence of the regular officer . The post of I . P . M . was kindly taken by Bro . Peagam

, of the Royal Sussex Lodge . The minutes of the meeting were read and confirmed . The W . M . having stated the result of his inquiries respecting Mr . II . Montagu , a candidate for initiation , a ballot was taken , which was unanimously in his favour . Bro . the Rev . F . De la Mare , late Chaplain of the lodge , was elected an honorary member . The W . M . presented another set of designs , framed ancl glazed , for a lodge seal and envelope

stamp , and stated that the committee appointed for the purpose having made a selection , drawings had been sent to have the dies prepared , and a press had been ordered . Several accounts were directed to be paid . Bro . II . A int was presented for examination on the first degree , and having answered very satisfactorily , was entrusted , and subsequently duly passed as a Fellow Craftafter which he received the customary charge

, from the W . M . The W . M . read the portion of the published proceedings of Grand Lodge on December 4 th , so far as they referred to the appeal of Bro . Baudains and others against the decree of the Prov . G . M . of Jersey for their suspension . The lodge was closed in the second degree . Bro . Hoequard , P . M .,

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