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The Masonic Mirror.

several members of Loclge La Cesaree , in reference to their having become either founders or members of a new lodge established there under the title of " Les Amis de l'Avenir , " working under a French warrant . The Prov . G . M . of Jersey considered this to be an irregular lodge , to be founded iuan English dependency , ancl suspended those who wore members of Lodge La Cesaree from their Masonic rights and privileges until they

should make due submission , and that suspension led to the present appeal . The appeal of Bro . Baudains was first taken . Bro . BAUDAISS read a long and able address , in which he enlarged on the universal principles of Freemasonry , tending to bring together those who might , but for it , have remained at a

perpetual distance ; ancl whether they were Masons of one country or another , they had all the same laudable end in view . He went on to explain that there were several Frenchmen living in Jersey who were Freemasons , but they had no opportunity of seeing their ceremonies worked as they worked in France , and they made an application to the Supreme Conseil cle France for

a new lodge . That application was granted , and on his joining the lodge lie was ottered the chair , which he accepted . As soon as he had accepted he wrote to the Prov . G . M . and to all the Masters of lodges in Jersey , inviting them fraternally to be present at his installation , keeping iu view that truly Masonic bond which binds man to man . He regretted to say that ,

notwithstanding all this , the French who were domiciled in Jersey were unjustly refused admission into the English lodges in Jersey , without a shadow of a cause . The brother then proceeded at some length to vindicate , on historical data , the right for Frenchmen , although located in an English dependency , the common language of the country being French , to have a lodge granted by the Supreme Conseil de France .

The G . REGISTRAR said he did not wish to use harsh words at tho excessive zeal of their brother , who had fallen into a grave error , who would have shown more Masonic feeling by expressing his willingness to submit to the decision of this Grand Lodge , instead of saying that he could not act in accordance with it unless it should be in his favour . The charge against him was , that he had taken part in the formation and

upholding of a lodge that was not regular . That had been proved , for he held in his hand the original summons , calling the brethren to come together at his installation , which was attested by his own signature to it . They had then to consider whether , according to their constitution , this was a regularlodge , or were they called upon to confirm his suspension . For

his ( the Grand Registrar's ) part , be had no hesitation , whatever , in saying that it was an irregular loclge . Was Jersey a dependency of the British Crown ? He said that it was . Theefore , he said that no foreign lodge could have any right there ; no foreign lodge had a right to invade it , any more than a foreign government could place a garrison there and take

possession of it . The Governor of Jersey represented the Sovereign of these realms , and there was an appeal from him to the Queen in Council , so was there an appeal from the lodges there , to Grand Lodge . There were three Grand Lodges of England , Scotland , and Ireland , under either of whom lodges could be opened there ; hut no foreign lodge could found a lodge

there . They had never recognised the Supreme Council of France , ancl he did not know that they would ever do so ; for the " Book of Constitutions " said that no new lodge should be formed without the permission of the Grand Master or his Deputy . Their Bro . Baudains had been twice Master of an English lodge , and he had twice taken a solemn obligation never to countenance an irregular lodge ; but now , as Master of a lodge , he was the first to sow schism among the members .

The Masonic Mirror.

A member going to France could join any loclge he pleased ; but in English provinces they could only have English lodges . He moved , in conclusion , that the decision of the Prov . G . M . of Jersey be confirmed , and that the suspension of Bro . Baudains he continued until he make due submission . Bro . LLEWELLYN EVANS seconded the motion , and said thafc even in France this lodge would be deemed an illegal meeting

of Masons . The D . G . MASTER said that no foreign Masonic jurisdiction could be exercised or established in the Queen's dominions , and English Masons ought not to take part in them . He did nofc doubt but that his brother had acted in good faith , and held to the belief that he had taken a step that was irregular ; nor did

he intend to act contrary to his obligation . But they were to take the facts and decide upon the question as it was brought before the Grand Lodge , irrespective of any individual consideration whatever . As to entering into the particular questions of the Grand Orient of France or other lodges in this country , they must be considered as a foreign system of

Masonry , and English Masons ought not to join in any loclge of that kind in any portion of her Majesty's dominions . Bro . BAUDAINS was then requested to retire . The D . G . MASTER put the motion , which was agreed to . Bro . BAUDAINS was then called in , and the D . G . Master informed him of the result , at the same time expressing a sincere

hope that , as the decision of the Grand Lodge had been unanimously come to , that he would make clue submission , with a view to his being restored to his Masonic rights and privileges . Bro . BAUDAINS sainted the D . G . M ., and retired . The appeals of two other brethren were disposed of in the same manner , when it being past eleven , the other appeals were postponed . The Grand Loclge closed in due form and with solemn prayer .

Metropolitan.

METROPOLITAN .

ROYAL OAK LODGE ( NO . 871 ) . —At the regular meeting held on Wednesday , November 25 th , at Bro . J . Stevens's , Royal Oak Tavern , High-street , Deptford , Bro . Geo . Wilton , W . M ., assisted by Bros . C . Staler , S . W . ; H . A . Collington , J . W . ; J . W . Weir , P . M . ; F . Walters , Sec . ; G . S . Hodgson , I . G . ; J . S . Blomeley , W . S . ; J . Stevens , J . W . Hinderwell , R . Phipps , & c , opened the lodge . The only visitor was Bro . J . C . Eckersberd , No . 7 , Glasgow , Kilwinning , S . C . A ballot was taken for

Mr . Ferdinand Lind , which was unanimous in favour of his admission , ancl he being in attendance was regularly initiated into the mysteries and privileges of ancient Freemasonry . The next business was passing Bros . J . W . Hinderwell and R . Phipps to the degree of Fellow Craft , after they had given sufficient proofs of their proficiency in the former degree . As each candidate was introduced separately the W . M . was able to render the ceremonies very impressively . The sum of one guinea was

voted to support the Girls' School , one guinea to the Boys ' School , and one pound to the Aged Freemasons and their Widows . Apologies were sent to the lodge from the several candidates for the various degrees excusing their absence in consequence of illness , business , & c . After business , the brethren spent a few hours in social reunion .

Provincial.

PROVINCIAL .

DERBYSHIRE . WrRKSWORTH . — Derwent Lodge . — On Friday , November 20 th , the second anniversary of this loclge of Freemasons was duly celebrated at the George Hotel . There was a large attendance of the brethren of the Tyrian , Arboretum , Beaureper , Derwent , and other lodges . The lodge was opened with the beautiful and solemn ceremonies peculiar to the Craft , after which Bro . Jas . Hindle , the W . M . for the ensuing year , was duly installed ; the imposing ceremony of installation being performed by Bro . S . Collinson , P . M ., of Derby , in a most able

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MANCHESTER MASONIC RELIEF COMMITTEE. Article 4
ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTION FOR AGED FREEMASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 4
OLD DUNDEE LODGE (No. 18). Article 6
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MASONIC NOTES AND OTJEKIE8. Article 7
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
MASONIC CHARITY. Article 10
LODGE OF HARMONY (No. 600). Article 11
THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES. Article 11
THE SUSPENSIONS IN JERSEY. Article 11
WESTERN INDIA. Article 12
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 16
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ASIA MINOR. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Mirror.

several members of Loclge La Cesaree , in reference to their having become either founders or members of a new lodge established there under the title of " Les Amis de l'Avenir , " working under a French warrant . The Prov . G . M . of Jersey considered this to be an irregular lodge , to be founded iuan English dependency , ancl suspended those who wore members of Lodge La Cesaree from their Masonic rights and privileges until they

should make due submission , and that suspension led to the present appeal . The appeal of Bro . Baudains was first taken . Bro . BAUDAISS read a long and able address , in which he enlarged on the universal principles of Freemasonry , tending to bring together those who might , but for it , have remained at a

perpetual distance ; ancl whether they were Masons of one country or another , they had all the same laudable end in view . He went on to explain that there were several Frenchmen living in Jersey who were Freemasons , but they had no opportunity of seeing their ceremonies worked as they worked in France , and they made an application to the Supreme Conseil cle France for

a new lodge . That application was granted , and on his joining the lodge lie was ottered the chair , which he accepted . As soon as he had accepted he wrote to the Prov . G . M . and to all the Masters of lodges in Jersey , inviting them fraternally to be present at his installation , keeping iu view that truly Masonic bond which binds man to man . He regretted to say that ,

notwithstanding all this , the French who were domiciled in Jersey were unjustly refused admission into the English lodges in Jersey , without a shadow of a cause . The brother then proceeded at some length to vindicate , on historical data , the right for Frenchmen , although located in an English dependency , the common language of the country being French , to have a lodge granted by the Supreme Conseil de France .

The G . REGISTRAR said he did not wish to use harsh words at tho excessive zeal of their brother , who had fallen into a grave error , who would have shown more Masonic feeling by expressing his willingness to submit to the decision of this Grand Lodge , instead of saying that he could not act in accordance with it unless it should be in his favour . The charge against him was , that he had taken part in the formation and

upholding of a lodge that was not regular . That had been proved , for he held in his hand the original summons , calling the brethren to come together at his installation , which was attested by his own signature to it . They had then to consider whether , according to their constitution , this was a regularlodge , or were they called upon to confirm his suspension . For

his ( the Grand Registrar's ) part , be had no hesitation , whatever , in saying that it was an irregular loclge . Was Jersey a dependency of the British Crown ? He said that it was . Theefore , he said that no foreign lodge could have any right there ; no foreign lodge had a right to invade it , any more than a foreign government could place a garrison there and take

possession of it . The Governor of Jersey represented the Sovereign of these realms , and there was an appeal from him to the Queen in Council , so was there an appeal from the lodges there , to Grand Lodge . There were three Grand Lodges of England , Scotland , and Ireland , under either of whom lodges could be opened there ; hut no foreign lodge could found a lodge

there . They had never recognised the Supreme Council of France , ancl he did not know that they would ever do so ; for the " Book of Constitutions " said that no new lodge should be formed without the permission of the Grand Master or his Deputy . Their Bro . Baudains had been twice Master of an English lodge , and he had twice taken a solemn obligation never to countenance an irregular lodge ; but now , as Master of a lodge , he was the first to sow schism among the members .

The Masonic Mirror.

A member going to France could join any loclge he pleased ; but in English provinces they could only have English lodges . He moved , in conclusion , that the decision of the Prov . G . M . of Jersey be confirmed , and that the suspension of Bro . Baudains he continued until he make due submission . Bro . LLEWELLYN EVANS seconded the motion , and said thafc even in France this lodge would be deemed an illegal meeting

of Masons . The D . G . MASTER said that no foreign Masonic jurisdiction could be exercised or established in the Queen's dominions , and English Masons ought not to take part in them . He did nofc doubt but that his brother had acted in good faith , and held to the belief that he had taken a step that was irregular ; nor did

he intend to act contrary to his obligation . But they were to take the facts and decide upon the question as it was brought before the Grand Lodge , irrespective of any individual consideration whatever . As to entering into the particular questions of the Grand Orient of France or other lodges in this country , they must be considered as a foreign system of

Masonry , and English Masons ought not to join in any loclge of that kind in any portion of her Majesty's dominions . Bro . BAUDAINS was then requested to retire . The D . G . MASTER put the motion , which was agreed to . Bro . BAUDAINS was then called in , and the D . G . Master informed him of the result , at the same time expressing a sincere

hope that , as the decision of the Grand Lodge had been unanimously come to , that he would make clue submission , with a view to his being restored to his Masonic rights and privileges . Bro . BAUDAINS sainted the D . G . M ., and retired . The appeals of two other brethren were disposed of in the same manner , when it being past eleven , the other appeals were postponed . The Grand Loclge closed in due form and with solemn prayer .

Metropolitan.

METROPOLITAN .

ROYAL OAK LODGE ( NO . 871 ) . —At the regular meeting held on Wednesday , November 25 th , at Bro . J . Stevens's , Royal Oak Tavern , High-street , Deptford , Bro . Geo . Wilton , W . M ., assisted by Bros . C . Staler , S . W . ; H . A . Collington , J . W . ; J . W . Weir , P . M . ; F . Walters , Sec . ; G . S . Hodgson , I . G . ; J . S . Blomeley , W . S . ; J . Stevens , J . W . Hinderwell , R . Phipps , & c , opened the lodge . The only visitor was Bro . J . C . Eckersberd , No . 7 , Glasgow , Kilwinning , S . C . A ballot was taken for

Mr . Ferdinand Lind , which was unanimous in favour of his admission , ancl he being in attendance was regularly initiated into the mysteries and privileges of ancient Freemasonry . The next business was passing Bros . J . W . Hinderwell and R . Phipps to the degree of Fellow Craft , after they had given sufficient proofs of their proficiency in the former degree . As each candidate was introduced separately the W . M . was able to render the ceremonies very impressively . The sum of one guinea was

voted to support the Girls' School , one guinea to the Boys ' School , and one pound to the Aged Freemasons and their Widows . Apologies were sent to the lodge from the several candidates for the various degrees excusing their absence in consequence of illness , business , & c . After business , the brethren spent a few hours in social reunion .

Provincial.

PROVINCIAL .

DERBYSHIRE . WrRKSWORTH . — Derwent Lodge . — On Friday , November 20 th , the second anniversary of this loclge of Freemasons was duly celebrated at the George Hotel . There was a large attendance of the brethren of the Tyrian , Arboretum , Beaureper , Derwent , and other lodges . The lodge was opened with the beautiful and solemn ceremonies peculiar to the Craft , after which Bro . Jas . Hindle , the W . M . for the ensuing year , was duly installed ; the imposing ceremony of installation being performed by Bro . S . Collinson , P . M ., of Derby , in a most able

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