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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

BEOS . HATE AND WHITE . I sincerely regret , while at the same time I thank him for the truly fraternal spirit displayed in his letter—that Bro . Gitteus should imagine for a second that there has beeu any personality in the discussion between Bro . White and myself . We are personally

unacquainted , but if we met to-morrow , I do not suppose for a moment that either of us would be the less a good brother , because we hold different opinions and have waged a paper warfare . For myself , I was brought up in a hard-hitting literary school , which did not care however strongly it wrote against

opinions ,- but " personality was never for an instant permitted . For myself , I have to thank Bro . Gittens for his kindness , and J can assure him , he will get no cross-fire from me . —A . 0 . HAYE .

PICTUS , BItO . HUGHAN , AND FEEEJIASONEY . Without any pretensions to being thought a " Masonic scholar " ( to whom the report of a meeting of the P . G . Lodge of Yorkshire is referred , by an esteemed correspondent who styles himself " Pictus ' ' ) , I should like to see a little more regard paid to

historic accuracy in the sketches of meetings and lodge assemblies so vividly described in the Freemasons ' Magazine . " Pictus" does well in calling attention to the " remarks prefaced to a report of a meeting of the Prov . G . Lodge of Yorkshire West . ' I presume he

refers to the " York Legend . " Much has beeu written on this fruitful topic , and therefore it is not my intention to say more . Undoubtedly York possesses more antique evidences of Freemasonry—as an operative institution—than London , although to the latter city belongs the honour of reviving the

ancient Craft , remodelling the " old landmarks , " and really creating the Freemasonry of A . D . 1717 , and since , which the former city accepted subsequently and adopted as its own . My notice has , however , been particularly directed to the following paragraph ( page 157 ) , viz .: — "As

to the early existence of the Masonic Craft in Sheffield , we learn that in 1765 the Rose and Crown Lodge was consecrated in Sheffield under a warrant from the Grand Lodge at York . " I believe this to le incorrect , hut shall be glad to acknowledge my error if furnished with proof to the contrary . Without wishing to be more positive than the

evidence will allow , I think it is quite impossible to afford sufficient proof of the alleged consecration having taken place under the Grand Lodge of TbrJe . In the first place , I do not believe that the lodge at Sheffield either was warranted by the Grand Lodge of York or consecrated at the date named . In the

second place , I think it more than likely that the lodge had no existence before A . D . 1780 , or rather later , and that its centenary is not likely to occur for a few years yet , if the works in my possession are to he relied upon ; and , thirdly , it is my opinion that the lodge was really under the Grand Lodge of

England ( whose orig inal members seceded from the regular Grand Lodge about 1740 ) called the Athol Masons . I shall be happy to afford the information I have relative to this matter by letter to the writer of the article in question . —W . J . HUGHAN .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC HISTORY . Could not some brethren , such as the members of the Lodge of Antiquity , give us some notes from their early Minute Books . Our Scottish brethren are very far ahead of us iu this respect . When shall we see "" The History ( not fabulous ) of Freemasonry , and

of the Grand Lodge of England . " I will not grudge a guinea for such a work . —A MIDDLESEX MASON " .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is nob responsible for the opinion * expressed by Correspondents , "HOMCEOPATHY AND FREEMASONRY . "

TO Tin : EDITOR OF Tin ; pjEi _ j _ ir . _ soNd' HAGAZISE ± XI > MASONIC HHIKOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —The letter of "M . D . " ( page 170 ) gives an example of how little the true spirit of Freemasonry is understood and practised amongst many of its members . What real Mason will not blush at the words—'' the fact of my practising homoeopathy would be an insuperable barrier to my

admission . " If such be really the case , " M . D . " would only be doing his duty hy mentioning the name of the lodge . The columns of the Macpa-ine are the place to show up such cancer sores as these , and keep them from spreading . More light will tend to chase away tbe evil . A worthy brother , more especially a past

office-bearer of a lodge , should find no difficulty in affiliating to any lodge he chooses when he settles in a new town . Let us trust , however , that on second thoughts the lodge " M . D . " refers to will intimate its readiness to hold out the right hand of fellowshi p in a true fraternal spirit . Yours fraternally , PICTUS .

Freemasonry Is Not A Religion.

FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION .

TO THE EDITOH 01 ' THE lil-EEjrASOIfS ITAGAZIA-E AlfD ItASO-MIO SIIEKOK . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read with pleasure the letter of "Dnalxo " ( p . S 7 ) anentthis subject , and coincide with his views . I would repudiate the toleration idea as au uumasonic assumption of superiority . The Jew or Turk is not admitted into Freemasonry

under toleration . It is a ri p / lit , which he can claim equally with the professing Christian . If Freemasonry cau be said to be a religion at all , it may be called an Universal Religion , for , in our practice , all that is asked of its votaries is , — " Do you believe in the being and existence of a God ? and do

you believe in the sacred and binding nature of an oath ? " Au answer in the affirmative to these two questions on the part of the candidate , with his submission to " the rules aud regulations of the lodge , " clears the way for his admission . Such being the case , Christian , Jew , Turk , or Hindoo , are all one to

Freemasonry . Freemasonry , therefore , is not a religion as " religion" is commonly understood . Freemasonry is like grass , the cow , sheep , horse , or ass can all find their suitable food iu it . Tho horse may think it was especially made for him , because , says he , " See how I eat and thrive thereon ; " but so can also the cow or sheep say . So with Freemasonry pure and simple ; it is not for one particular class

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MYSTICS AND MYSTICISM. No. III. Article 1
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—V. Article 2
THE KNIGHT'S TEMPLARS. Article 3
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MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 5
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION. Article 5
MASONIC DISCIPLINE. BY CRUX. Article 6
Untitled Article 7
MASONIC MEMS. Article 7
GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND. Article 7
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
NEW GLOBE THEATRE. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 3rd MARCH, 1869. Article 19
Obituary. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

BEOS . HATE AND WHITE . I sincerely regret , while at the same time I thank him for the truly fraternal spirit displayed in his letter—that Bro . Gitteus should imagine for a second that there has beeu any personality in the discussion between Bro . White and myself . We are personally

unacquainted , but if we met to-morrow , I do not suppose for a moment that either of us would be the less a good brother , because we hold different opinions and have waged a paper warfare . For myself , I was brought up in a hard-hitting literary school , which did not care however strongly it wrote against

opinions ,- but " personality was never for an instant permitted . For myself , I have to thank Bro . Gittens for his kindness , and J can assure him , he will get no cross-fire from me . —A . 0 . HAYE .

PICTUS , BItO . HUGHAN , AND FEEEJIASONEY . Without any pretensions to being thought a " Masonic scholar " ( to whom the report of a meeting of the P . G . Lodge of Yorkshire is referred , by an esteemed correspondent who styles himself " Pictus ' ' ) , I should like to see a little more regard paid to

historic accuracy in the sketches of meetings and lodge assemblies so vividly described in the Freemasons ' Magazine . " Pictus" does well in calling attention to the " remarks prefaced to a report of a meeting of the Prov . G . Lodge of Yorkshire West . ' I presume he

refers to the " York Legend . " Much has beeu written on this fruitful topic , and therefore it is not my intention to say more . Undoubtedly York possesses more antique evidences of Freemasonry—as an operative institution—than London , although to the latter city belongs the honour of reviving the

ancient Craft , remodelling the " old landmarks , " and really creating the Freemasonry of A . D . 1717 , and since , which the former city accepted subsequently and adopted as its own . My notice has , however , been particularly directed to the following paragraph ( page 157 ) , viz .: — "As

to the early existence of the Masonic Craft in Sheffield , we learn that in 1765 the Rose and Crown Lodge was consecrated in Sheffield under a warrant from the Grand Lodge at York . " I believe this to le incorrect , hut shall be glad to acknowledge my error if furnished with proof to the contrary . Without wishing to be more positive than the

evidence will allow , I think it is quite impossible to afford sufficient proof of the alleged consecration having taken place under the Grand Lodge of TbrJe . In the first place , I do not believe that the lodge at Sheffield either was warranted by the Grand Lodge of York or consecrated at the date named . In the

second place , I think it more than likely that the lodge had no existence before A . D . 1780 , or rather later , and that its centenary is not likely to occur for a few years yet , if the works in my possession are to he relied upon ; and , thirdly , it is my opinion that the lodge was really under the Grand Lodge of

England ( whose orig inal members seceded from the regular Grand Lodge about 1740 ) called the Athol Masons . I shall be happy to afford the information I have relative to this matter by letter to the writer of the article in question . —W . J . HUGHAN .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC HISTORY . Could not some brethren , such as the members of the Lodge of Antiquity , give us some notes from their early Minute Books . Our Scottish brethren are very far ahead of us iu this respect . When shall we see "" The History ( not fabulous ) of Freemasonry , and

of the Grand Lodge of England . " I will not grudge a guinea for such a work . —A MIDDLESEX MASON " .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is nob responsible for the opinion * expressed by Correspondents , "HOMCEOPATHY AND FREEMASONRY . "

TO Tin : EDITOR OF Tin ; pjEi _ j _ ir . _ soNd' HAGAZISE ± XI > MASONIC HHIKOH . Dear Sir and Brother , —The letter of "M . D . " ( page 170 ) gives an example of how little the true spirit of Freemasonry is understood and practised amongst many of its members . What real Mason will not blush at the words—'' the fact of my practising homoeopathy would be an insuperable barrier to my

admission . " If such be really the case , " M . D . " would only be doing his duty hy mentioning the name of the lodge . The columns of the Macpa-ine are the place to show up such cancer sores as these , and keep them from spreading . More light will tend to chase away tbe evil . A worthy brother , more especially a past

office-bearer of a lodge , should find no difficulty in affiliating to any lodge he chooses when he settles in a new town . Let us trust , however , that on second thoughts the lodge " M . D . " refers to will intimate its readiness to hold out the right hand of fellowshi p in a true fraternal spirit . Yours fraternally , PICTUS .

Freemasonry Is Not A Religion.

FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION .

TO THE EDITOH 01 ' THE lil-EEjrASOIfS ITAGAZIA-E AlfD ItASO-MIO SIIEKOK . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read with pleasure the letter of "Dnalxo " ( p . S 7 ) anentthis subject , and coincide with his views . I would repudiate the toleration idea as au uumasonic assumption of superiority . The Jew or Turk is not admitted into Freemasonry

under toleration . It is a ri p / lit , which he can claim equally with the professing Christian . If Freemasonry cau be said to be a religion at all , it may be called an Universal Religion , for , in our practice , all that is asked of its votaries is , — " Do you believe in the being and existence of a God ? and do

you believe in the sacred and binding nature of an oath ? " Au answer in the affirmative to these two questions on the part of the candidate , with his submission to " the rules aud regulations of the lodge , " clears the way for his admission . Such being the case , Christian , Jew , Turk , or Hindoo , are all one to

Freemasonry . Freemasonry , therefore , is not a religion as " religion" is commonly understood . Freemasonry is like grass , the cow , sheep , horse , or ass can all find their suitable food iu it . Tho horse may think it was especially made for him , because , says he , " See how I eat and thrive thereon ; " but so can also the cow or sheep say . So with Freemasonry pure and simple ; it is not for one particular class

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