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Grand Lodge Of England.

amongst the brethren , for if there were the brethren would be sure to hear of it from tho Board . The Grand Master put the motion , which was unanimously agreed to . THE BUILDING CO -I- MITTEE . Bro . Havers moved that the report of the Building

Committee be taken as read , which was agreed to . He afterwards , in moving that it be received and entered ou the minutes , said that the only substantive motion which arose out of the report was in these words : —" That the rent of the Dalhonsie and Moore Lodge Rooms be reduced to one guinea each for each meeting , such reduction to take place from the 1 st January ,

1869 . " At tho last Grand Lodge a notice was made for the reduction of the rent of these rooms , which after a discussion ¦ was referred hack to the Building Committee , who were directed to report to the Grand Lodge . The Building Committee had accordingly carefully considered the subject , and taking also into consideration the wishes of small lodges , they proposed to

reduce tho rent of those rooms to one guinea . If it had been less there should have been nothing further to say upon it , but ho found on the paper a notice by Bro . King , W . M ., No . 172 , — " That a proportionate reduction ba made in the wliolo of the lodge rooms used for lodge purposes , as well as the Dalliousie and Moore . " A reduction of the rooms was impossible , but he

presumed Bro . King meant a reduction in the rent . Now , he must resist that mation , and any motion at present for the reduction of the fees paid for the use of those rooms , as the Committee had done what they thought to be right and just to the Craft in the charges they made for lodges who occupied their rooms . As regarded the Zetland and the De Grey Booms , it

was said that two guineas was too large a sum for them to pay , but he was surprised that lodges that met so numerously in them should consider that sum too much for them to pay . He belonged to one of the smallest lodges in the Craft , for it

numbered not more than 20 members , and they did not consider Ave per cent , for a lodge room too much to p _ y out of their income . In taverns they were charged more than double for such accommodation , and then in these rooms they were provided with furniture and all the usual paraphernalia of a lodge , besides lighting and warming , for which we had nothing to pay . AU this was provided , and there was the wear and

tear of removal of furniture from one room to another , and when all this was provided and it cost a lodge only 10 or 12 guineas a year , would any one tell how that was too large a sum . They provided the furniture , and they warmed and lighted these large rooms for two guineas a night , and when they considered that the income of some of these large lodges

• was from £ 200 to £ 300 a year , he thought they could scarcely object to the cost to them for the lodge room of 10 or 12 guineas a year . He would ask any one then present how much of tho income of lodges was spent in creature comforts . We should say it was about 80 per cent ., and that being so would they grudge 10 or 12 guineas for rent for a lodge room . He

moved'Let the rent ofthe Dalliousie and Moira lodge rooms bo reduced to one guinea each for each meeting , such reduction to take place from the 1 st January 1869 . " The motion having been seconded , — Bro . Udnll , P . G . D ., considered that two guineas a night for the use of those large rooms was too large a sum , and the lodge

to which he belonged had very superior furniture of their own , which they were obliged to warehouse . He said that they ought to be placed in a position so as not to be compelled to get rid of their furniture in their own house . To pay for meetings ill that place was inconsistent , for it was by their own money that he building had been obtained . He should oppose the charges

on these rooms , but should not object to pay a small sum for some time for their monthly meetings . His lodge had firstrate furniture , aud therefore , he said it was altogether inconsistent that they should have to pay 1 G or IS guineas a year for the use of a room in their own house . Bro . Grisseft sa ' ui , if Bro . Ui . all ' s argument was good for

anything , they ought not to pay any rent at all . They ought however , to pay any rent that was fairly due , and he looked upon Bro . Udall ' s argument as fallacious . ; Ho believed that Bro . Havers ' s motion was deserving of support . Bio . J . R . Simpson , G . Chap ., said many years ago when the Grand Master presided at York , as Prov . Grand Master , he

heard him lay down the principle that they ought to provide private places for holding lodges , rather than they should be held at taverns . His lordship having enunciated that principle , he supported the view taken by Bro . Udall . After some further discussion the motion of Bro . Havers was

put and agreed to . A special report was brought up from the Committee on the Fund of Benevolence , recommending various changes in the administration . Bro . Clabon said be had boon g iven to understand , that it was considered the report had not been sufficiently circulated , and having consulted the other members of the Committee , he

thought it would be better to defer the consideration of it until the meeting in June . A rather sharp discussion ensued upon the report , and Bro . J . R . Stebbing said that portion of the scheme which restricted the total capital of the Board of Benevolence to £ 26 , 000 would meet with his most strenuous opposition .

The subject was postponed until the June meeting , and it was ordered that a copy of the report should be sent to all lodges . The report of Bro . Harding , Auditor of Grind Lodge accounts for the year , was received .

THE BUILDING COMMITTEE . Bro . Brackstone Baker moved— " Tho buildings in con . ncctiou with tbe Freemasons' Hall being now completed , and the old hall repaired aud redecorated , ' that a committee of members of Grand Lodge be appointed to consider and report upon a suitable recognition of tho eminent services rendered to

the Craft by the chairman and his colleagues of the Building Committee . ' " Ho at some length entered into the services they had rendered the Craft in carrying out the work in which they had been engaged . Bro . Clabon seconded the motion , which was agreed to , and the following committee was appointed : —Bros . Clabon , Mason ,

Hogg , Eraser , Tomkins , Bennoch , E . Cox , and Baker . GRAND LODGE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER . Bro . John Symouds , P . Assist . G . Dir . of Cers ., moved an alteration iu the Book of Constitutions to alter the meeting of Grand Lodge from September to October , but after a short discussion the proposition was negatived . TIIE CHARITY JEWEL .

Bro . Joseph Smith , P . G . Purst ., moved , — " That as the present qualification for the Charity Jewel acts adversely to the interests of the 'Royal Masonic Be . ievolent Institution for Aged Freemasons and Widows of Freemasons , ' it is expedient that the privilege of wearing the same be extended , aud that brethren having served as Stewards to the Festival of any two of the

Masonic Institutions be entitled to wear such jewel ; and that brethren serving the office for three Institutions be entitled also to wear a clasp on the ribbon by which such jesveHs suspended . " He said his wish was to put those who served as Stewards for the

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MYSTICS AND MYSTICISM. No. III. Article 1
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—V. Article 2
THE KNIGHT'S TEMPLARS. Article 3
MASONIC SERMON. Article 4
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 5
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 5
FREEMASONRY IS NOT A RELIGION. Article 5
MASONIC DISCIPLINE. BY CRUX. Article 6
Untitled Article 7
MASONIC MEMS. Article 7
GRAND LODGE OF ENGLAND. Article 7
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
IRELAND. Article 18
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 19
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 19
NEW GLOBE THEATRE. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
LIST OF LODGE, &c., MEETINGS FOR WEEK ENDING 3rd MARCH, 1869. Article 19
Obituary. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Grand Lodge Of England.

amongst the brethren , for if there were the brethren would be sure to hear of it from tho Board . The Grand Master put the motion , which was unanimously agreed to . THE BUILDING CO -I- MITTEE . Bro . Havers moved that the report of the Building

Committee be taken as read , which was agreed to . He afterwards , in moving that it be received and entered ou the minutes , said that the only substantive motion which arose out of the report was in these words : —" That the rent of the Dalhonsie and Moore Lodge Rooms be reduced to one guinea each for each meeting , such reduction to take place from the 1 st January ,

1869 . " At tho last Grand Lodge a notice was made for the reduction of the rent of these rooms , which after a discussion ¦ was referred hack to the Building Committee , who were directed to report to the Grand Lodge . The Building Committee had accordingly carefully considered the subject , and taking also into consideration the wishes of small lodges , they proposed to

reduce tho rent of those rooms to one guinea . If it had been less there should have been nothing further to say upon it , but ho found on the paper a notice by Bro . King , W . M ., No . 172 , — " That a proportionate reduction ba made in the wliolo of the lodge rooms used for lodge purposes , as well as the Dalliousie and Moore . " A reduction of the rooms was impossible , but he

presumed Bro . King meant a reduction in the rent . Now , he must resist that mation , and any motion at present for the reduction of the fees paid for the use of those rooms , as the Committee had done what they thought to be right and just to the Craft in the charges they made for lodges who occupied their rooms . As regarded the Zetland and the De Grey Booms , it

was said that two guineas was too large a sum for them to pay , but he was surprised that lodges that met so numerously in them should consider that sum too much for them to pay . He belonged to one of the smallest lodges in the Craft , for it

numbered not more than 20 members , and they did not consider Ave per cent , for a lodge room too much to p _ y out of their income . In taverns they were charged more than double for such accommodation , and then in these rooms they were provided with furniture and all the usual paraphernalia of a lodge , besides lighting and warming , for which we had nothing to pay . AU this was provided , and there was the wear and

tear of removal of furniture from one room to another , and when all this was provided and it cost a lodge only 10 or 12 guineas a year , would any one tell how that was too large a sum . They provided the furniture , and they warmed and lighted these large rooms for two guineas a night , and when they considered that the income of some of these large lodges

• was from £ 200 to £ 300 a year , he thought they could scarcely object to the cost to them for the lodge room of 10 or 12 guineas a year . He would ask any one then present how much of tho income of lodges was spent in creature comforts . We should say it was about 80 per cent ., and that being so would they grudge 10 or 12 guineas for rent for a lodge room . He

moved'Let the rent ofthe Dalliousie and Moira lodge rooms bo reduced to one guinea each for each meeting , such reduction to take place from the 1 st January 1869 . " The motion having been seconded , — Bro . Udnll , P . G . D ., considered that two guineas a night for the use of those large rooms was too large a sum , and the lodge

to which he belonged had very superior furniture of their own , which they were obliged to warehouse . He said that they ought to be placed in a position so as not to be compelled to get rid of their furniture in their own house . To pay for meetings ill that place was inconsistent , for it was by their own money that he building had been obtained . He should oppose the charges

on these rooms , but should not object to pay a small sum for some time for their monthly meetings . His lodge had firstrate furniture , aud therefore , he said it was altogether inconsistent that they should have to pay 1 G or IS guineas a year for the use of a room in their own house . Bro . Grisseft sa ' ui , if Bro . Ui . all ' s argument was good for

anything , they ought not to pay any rent at all . They ought however , to pay any rent that was fairly due , and he looked upon Bro . Udall ' s argument as fallacious . ; Ho believed that Bro . Havers ' s motion was deserving of support . Bio . J . R . Simpson , G . Chap ., said many years ago when the Grand Master presided at York , as Prov . Grand Master , he

heard him lay down the principle that they ought to provide private places for holding lodges , rather than they should be held at taverns . His lordship having enunciated that principle , he supported the view taken by Bro . Udall . After some further discussion the motion of Bro . Havers was

put and agreed to . A special report was brought up from the Committee on the Fund of Benevolence , recommending various changes in the administration . Bro . Clabon said be had boon g iven to understand , that it was considered the report had not been sufficiently circulated , and having consulted the other members of the Committee , he

thought it would be better to defer the consideration of it until the meeting in June . A rather sharp discussion ensued upon the report , and Bro . J . R . Stebbing said that portion of the scheme which restricted the total capital of the Board of Benevolence to £ 26 , 000 would meet with his most strenuous opposition .

The subject was postponed until the June meeting , and it was ordered that a copy of the report should be sent to all lodges . The report of Bro . Harding , Auditor of Grind Lodge accounts for the year , was received .

THE BUILDING COMMITTEE . Bro . Brackstone Baker moved— " Tho buildings in con . ncctiou with tbe Freemasons' Hall being now completed , and the old hall repaired aud redecorated , ' that a committee of members of Grand Lodge be appointed to consider and report upon a suitable recognition of tho eminent services rendered to

the Craft by the chairman and his colleagues of the Building Committee . ' " Ho at some length entered into the services they had rendered the Craft in carrying out the work in which they had been engaged . Bro . Clabon seconded the motion , which was agreed to , and the following committee was appointed : —Bros . Clabon , Mason ,

Hogg , Eraser , Tomkins , Bennoch , E . Cox , and Baker . GRAND LODGE MEETING IN SEPTEMBER . Bro . John Symouds , P . Assist . G . Dir . of Cers ., moved an alteration iu the Book of Constitutions to alter the meeting of Grand Lodge from September to October , but after a short discussion the proposition was negatived . TIIE CHARITY JEWEL .

Bro . Joseph Smith , P . G . Purst ., moved , — " That as the present qualification for the Charity Jewel acts adversely to the interests of the 'Royal Masonic Be . ievolent Institution for Aged Freemasons and Widows of Freemasons , ' it is expedient that the privilege of wearing the same be extended , aud that brethren having served as Stewards to the Festival of any two of the

Masonic Institutions be entitled to wear such jewel ; and that brethren serving the office for three Institutions be entitled also to wear a clasp on the ribbon by which such jesveHs suspended . " He said his wish was to put those who served as Stewards for the

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