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corded to the Christians , I am equally overwhelmed by them , since my intentions were to avert from them , at any price , the danger that threatened ; but , to my great regret , I could not carry out this desire , from want of timel y preparation . ' Wise and majestic chief , to you belong these praises more than to myself , as they onl y proceed

from your amiability of sentiment and deep interest in the cause . ' Do not deprive me of your letters . ' I salute you . ' ABD -ET , -KADER BEIT MUHI EDDKN- EI HuSIv Y . ' " GEAITD ORIENT OE ITAET . —There seems to be

something out of gear in the working of this new body . A meeting took place in the lodge room of the Concord Lodge , at Florence , when no other Grand Officer but the first Grand Warden was present , the Grand Master , the first D . G . M ., and several other brethren—Grand Officers , having all resigned

previous to the assembl y , and the second D . G . M . beingabsent from Italy . A committee Avas then formed of five members , who were charged to carry on the business of the Order without any attempt to replace the dignitaries who had resigned . This committee appointed a general meeting of delegates and officers from all the lodges , of every rite and order , to assemble at Florence , in December next , to discuss the Constitution of the Grand Orient ancl form a central

system to embrace all lands of Freemasonry ; ancl although many projects to accomplish this desired end were stated , those present were actuated with but one desire , which Avas to establish the Order on the firmest basis , and to make it as comprehensive as possible . It would seem that Garibaldi was , two years since ,

put forward to be the Grand Master , but was not elected ; and this was one of the causes of the late dissolution . The Grand Orient , too , was found to haA'e become involved in the politics of the kingdom ; hence vre see how prudent it is that Freemasonry should not enter upon such questions . The lodge

Dante Aii ghieri has also separated itself from the Grand Orient , and is under the control of the Ancient and Accepted Rite . To recover it , the Grand Orient propose to widen the basis of admission , and incorporate the hi gher degrees with the very restricted Craft Constitutions they had previously adopted—a plan which will go far to consolidate Freemasonry in Italv .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

BIGir PRIESTHOOD . ' " B . * * * * " must bo well aware of the difficult y there is in giving the uninitiated proof of anything connected with a strictly secret association . I am not myself a High Priest , except under tho modern Royal Arch ritual , but I yet believe in the great antiquity of the degree , though it is quite possible " the Order have

may been reproduced as he mentions . As showing how careful even well informed brethren should bo iu their assertions , we are everywhere met by the statement that there is no proof of anything beyond a Master Mason before 1760 ( which they know there ought not to be if the Order had always remained true to its princi ples ) , when it is shown b y Bro . Matthew Cooke , a certain authority

in MSS ., that a Rose Croix Kadosh Templar warrant was granted in 1721 ; and there is also documentary proof that our ancient Arch ceremony constituted thc fifth Order of the Ancient Rite iu 1725 ; and Bro . Oliver

informs ns that a Priesthood degree formed one of the series which Ramsay advocated unsuceessfufly in 1726 . The emblem of the Priestly degree is also found on a Kadosh Templar seal , known to have been used as early as 1791 by Bro . Dunckerley , and all the old Religious and Military Orders had their Priestly receptions , distinct from those of Knights and esquires . I should

suppose that allusion to the degree would be found in the German books on the Rosy Cross , which I believe to contain their hidden version of our York Masonry ; for one of Dr . Dee ' s crystalline angels ( from whom he professes to receive his Rosicrucianism , say about 1625 ) is habited in the breastplate of the Jewish High Priest . That the connection of Rosicrucianism with the operative

lodges of London is not an assertion of to-day the following , from your volume of 1855 , will prove : — - "The brethren of the shears and shopboard are he » eby informed that their whimsical kinsmen of the hod and trowel , having ( on new light received from some worthy Rosicrucians ) thought fid to change both their patron aud day , and unexpectedly taken up our usual place of

meeting , the worshipful society of Free and Accepted Taylors are desired to meet on Monday next , the 27 fch instant , at the Folly on the Thames , in order to choose a Grand Master and other officers , and to dine . You are desired to come clothed and armed with bodkin and thimble . —December 25 th , 1725 . " It is quite possible some brothers who object to the

teaching of " The Book " may take objection to the Rosicrucians on the ground of their spiritualism ; to this I may say—1 st . They know nothing about it . 2 nd . Such delusions as were attributed to them , are as old as the world ; and 3 rd . They who live in glass houses should not throw stones , for many of Preston ' s list of Masonic worthies were addicted to the occult learning of the period , and

tho oldest MS . of the . Freemasonr-y connected with the Englisii builders , viz ., that of 14-00 , published by Mr . Halliwell , alludes to the legend of the four holy martyrs , who always worked in the name of the Lord , after prayer and signing with the cross , and whose skill under Diocletian was so great , that the philosophers attributed it to the mysterious words of art magical . Whatever may be

the difference in opinion as to Athelstan or the Templars being the authors of the original York assembly , which is reputed to have given birth to these rules for their working brethren , or as to the secret system of such assembly , the rules of study , & c , laid down , corresponds pretty well with tho old Pythagorean and Platonic schools , and the laterchivalrous , religious , German Rosicrucianism ;

and those very constitutions themselves are so far in harmony with the 18 th century assertions of the York rite , that they claim their origin from au assembly of " Dukes , earls , and barons , also knights , squires , and many more , and the great burgesses of that city . They were there all in their degree . " For the reformed London system of 1717-1725 Anderson visited the lodge at

, Edinburgh , and we arc assured the founders had no legitimate ' knowledge of ancient Masonry . If "B ****" lias been a constant reader of your pages , what he knows of York Masonry will enable him to understand coarse old Samuel Butler ' s witty sarcasm , who puts the folfowing into themouth of Gidrophel , or Lilley , the

astrologer : — " . As for the Rosy Cross Philosophers Whom you will have to be hut sorcerers , AA'hat they pretend to is no more Than Trismegistus did before . Pythagoras , old Zoroaster , And Appolonius their master , To whom they do confess they owe

AU that they clo and all they know . " It is ingrained in human nature for mon to decry that of which they cannot be the possessors , and there is no reason why the holders of Plato ' s craft or geometrical degrees should not have acted towards the philosophical in thc same manner our present Craft Masons act towards the more sublime degrees . —___

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MOTHER KILWINNING. Article 1
MASONIC SAYINGS AND DOINGS ABROAD. Article 2
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 4
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 6
CAN A WARDEN INITIATE, &c. ? Article 7
THE LUXURY OF FREEMASONRY. Article 8
ON THE CHRISTIANITY OF MASONRY. Article 8
THE ANTIQUITY OF MASONIC DEGREES. Article 8
Untitled Article 9
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 10
METROPOLITAN. Article 10
PROVINCIAL. Article 10
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
CHANNEL ISLANDS, Article 16
Obituary. Article 17
Poetry. Article 18
DO THE THING THAT'S RIGHT, FRIEND. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Sayings And Doings Abroad.

corded to the Christians , I am equally overwhelmed by them , since my intentions were to avert from them , at any price , the danger that threatened ; but , to my great regret , I could not carry out this desire , from want of timel y preparation . ' Wise and majestic chief , to you belong these praises more than to myself , as they onl y proceed

from your amiability of sentiment and deep interest in the cause . ' Do not deprive me of your letters . ' I salute you . ' ABD -ET , -KADER BEIT MUHI EDDKN- EI HuSIv Y . ' " GEAITD ORIENT OE ITAET . —There seems to be

something out of gear in the working of this new body . A meeting took place in the lodge room of the Concord Lodge , at Florence , when no other Grand Officer but the first Grand Warden was present , the Grand Master , the first D . G . M ., and several other brethren—Grand Officers , having all resigned

previous to the assembl y , and the second D . G . M . beingabsent from Italy . A committee Avas then formed of five members , who were charged to carry on the business of the Order without any attempt to replace the dignitaries who had resigned . This committee appointed a general meeting of delegates and officers from all the lodges , of every rite and order , to assemble at Florence , in December next , to discuss the Constitution of the Grand Orient ancl form a central

system to embrace all lands of Freemasonry ; ancl although many projects to accomplish this desired end were stated , those present were actuated with but one desire , which Avas to establish the Order on the firmest basis , and to make it as comprehensive as possible . It would seem that Garibaldi was , two years since ,

put forward to be the Grand Master , but was not elected ; and this was one of the causes of the late dissolution . The Grand Orient , too , was found to haA'e become involved in the politics of the kingdom ; hence vre see how prudent it is that Freemasonry should not enter upon such questions . The lodge

Dante Aii ghieri has also separated itself from the Grand Orient , and is under the control of the Ancient and Accepted Rite . To recover it , the Grand Orient propose to widen the basis of admission , and incorporate the hi gher degrees with the very restricted Craft Constitutions they had previously adopted—a plan which will go far to consolidate Freemasonry in Italv .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

BIGir PRIESTHOOD . ' " B . * * * * " must bo well aware of the difficult y there is in giving the uninitiated proof of anything connected with a strictly secret association . I am not myself a High Priest , except under tho modern Royal Arch ritual , but I yet believe in the great antiquity of the degree , though it is quite possible " the Order have

may been reproduced as he mentions . As showing how careful even well informed brethren should bo iu their assertions , we are everywhere met by the statement that there is no proof of anything beyond a Master Mason before 1760 ( which they know there ought not to be if the Order had always remained true to its princi ples ) , when it is shown b y Bro . Matthew Cooke , a certain authority

in MSS ., that a Rose Croix Kadosh Templar warrant was granted in 1721 ; and there is also documentary proof that our ancient Arch ceremony constituted thc fifth Order of the Ancient Rite iu 1725 ; and Bro . Oliver

informs ns that a Priesthood degree formed one of the series which Ramsay advocated unsuceessfufly in 1726 . The emblem of the Priestly degree is also found on a Kadosh Templar seal , known to have been used as early as 1791 by Bro . Dunckerley , and all the old Religious and Military Orders had their Priestly receptions , distinct from those of Knights and esquires . I should

suppose that allusion to the degree would be found in the German books on the Rosy Cross , which I believe to contain their hidden version of our York Masonry ; for one of Dr . Dee ' s crystalline angels ( from whom he professes to receive his Rosicrucianism , say about 1625 ) is habited in the breastplate of the Jewish High Priest . That the connection of Rosicrucianism with the operative

lodges of London is not an assertion of to-day the following , from your volume of 1855 , will prove : — - "The brethren of the shears and shopboard are he » eby informed that their whimsical kinsmen of the hod and trowel , having ( on new light received from some worthy Rosicrucians ) thought fid to change both their patron aud day , and unexpectedly taken up our usual place of

meeting , the worshipful society of Free and Accepted Taylors are desired to meet on Monday next , the 27 fch instant , at the Folly on the Thames , in order to choose a Grand Master and other officers , and to dine . You are desired to come clothed and armed with bodkin and thimble . —December 25 th , 1725 . " It is quite possible some brothers who object to the

teaching of " The Book " may take objection to the Rosicrucians on the ground of their spiritualism ; to this I may say—1 st . They know nothing about it . 2 nd . Such delusions as were attributed to them , are as old as the world ; and 3 rd . They who live in glass houses should not throw stones , for many of Preston ' s list of Masonic worthies were addicted to the occult learning of the period , and

tho oldest MS . of the . Freemasonr-y connected with the Englisii builders , viz ., that of 14-00 , published by Mr . Halliwell , alludes to the legend of the four holy martyrs , who always worked in the name of the Lord , after prayer and signing with the cross , and whose skill under Diocletian was so great , that the philosophers attributed it to the mysterious words of art magical . Whatever may be

the difference in opinion as to Athelstan or the Templars being the authors of the original York assembly , which is reputed to have given birth to these rules for their working brethren , or as to the secret system of such assembly , the rules of study , & c , laid down , corresponds pretty well with tho old Pythagorean and Platonic schools , and the laterchivalrous , religious , German Rosicrucianism ;

and those very constitutions themselves are so far in harmony with the 18 th century assertions of the York rite , that they claim their origin from au assembly of " Dukes , earls , and barons , also knights , squires , and many more , and the great burgesses of that city . They were there all in their degree . " For the reformed London system of 1717-1725 Anderson visited the lodge at

, Edinburgh , and we arc assured the founders had no legitimate ' knowledge of ancient Masonry . If "B ****" lias been a constant reader of your pages , what he knows of York Masonry will enable him to understand coarse old Samuel Butler ' s witty sarcasm , who puts the folfowing into themouth of Gidrophel , or Lilley , the

astrologer : — " . As for the Rosy Cross Philosophers Whom you will have to be hut sorcerers , AA'hat they pretend to is no more Than Trismegistus did before . Pythagoras , old Zoroaster , And Appolonius their master , To whom they do confess they owe

AU that they clo and all they know . " It is ingrained in human nature for mon to decry that of which they cannot be the possessors , and there is no reason why the holders of Plato ' s craft or geometrical degrees should not have acted towards the philosophical in thc same manner our present Craft Masons act towards the more sublime degrees . —___

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