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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Kilwinning is no more the mother of Scottish Masonry from the 12 th to the I 3 th centuries than I am . Kilwinning became a Masonic mother in the 17 th century , and this partly or principally for or through political objects or motives and for its own ends .

The transactions of the Kilwinning Lodge in the 17 th century would be considered by the Glasgow and Edinburgh lodges , & e ., as great innovations , and contrary to true Masonic law and usage . While saying so , I have no desire to detract from Mother Kilwinning ' s deserts for what she has done during the last two hundred years for the good of Masonry . —W . P . BUCHAK .

UNION OE JTJEISDICTIONS . As a preparatory step to that union of jurisdictions in England in the hands of Lord Zetland which has been so much advocated , I would recommend the -union of the Templars and Bed Gross Knights by the election of one of the G . M . ' s at sole G . M . Lord

'Kenlis , as the younger , may give place to Sir Knight Stuart with" the right of succession , or under a joint agreement that both shall yield to Lord Zetland whenever he is ready to assume the throne of office over one or the other Order . —K . T .

THE EOSIOEUCIAN SOCIETY . I must still hold my ground against Frater Hughan , although I am only an amateur Prater and Rosicrucian , occupying myself with the books , and having no laboratory now . I maintain that the acquisition of suitable hoots on Rosicrucianism is very expensive .

This Erater Hughan must know that books on Rosicrucianism are much dearer thon those on astrology , and far dearer than some of the printed books on either branch of magic . The reasons are simple—because printed books are rare and of little value , and the MSS . books are necessarily illuminatedand therefore

, costly . It is next to impossible to get on with uncoloured diagrams . The English branch of the Rosicrucian Society is , as I well know , limited , not taking in more than the -mystic number of 144 of the most learned students of England ; but I must confess I never heard of its costing- more than £ 100 to

become a member . Consequentl y , I say again that Rosicrucianism can he got at in a cheap and compendious form under learned expositors , in the persons of Fratres Hughan and Rawley ; for the books and laboratory , as any practical man knows , will cost a great deal more ; and a man may , like Dr .

Leeson , spend a lifetime in the study of the books and yet feel unsatisfied . I say nothing about the cost of chemicals , which is considerable . I consider it my duty to recommend the Rosicrucian Society in opposition to what Frater Hughan may say . I can only confirm , from my own unfortunate experience ,

that what the Society really is or was is known but to few indeed , and may be considered as great a mystery to them as to the outer world . If I have time , I shall have great pleasure in publishing some of the interesting ceremonies , though I shall be glad to give place to Erater Hughan . —E . H .

BED CEOSS OP EOME AND CONSTANTINE . I am much obliged for the valuable and courteous communication of Bro . Hughan . I had hoped he would hare been able to solve the question I put , as

he had so many others . He only goes so far as to limit the antiquity of the Red Cross to a period after 1770 . He tells us , however , that Bro . Little , the historian of the Bed Cross , has laid it down that the Premier Conclave was in working order before 1770 . Anything coming from the distinguished Grand

Becorder , Bro . Little , being authentic , and vouched by documents , it will be a great advantage if he or Bro . Hughan will point out in wh ° ch of Bro . Little ' s histories this statement is to be found . It will be very important in the question of the priority of the Orders . Bro . Hughan speaks conclusively as to the

modern origin of the Masonic Templars , but is rather reserved as to the Bed Cross . "If the Bed Cross has the great antiquity Bro . Little has laid down for it , is it not the natural conclusion that Knight Temp larism is later , and very probably an imitation of a sublimer degree?—J . CHABTERS .

BELIEF . Does our Board of Benevolence answer to its purposes in administering effective relief in cases of real distress ? Who can tell us of a decayed brother who has ever received such aid as to set him up in life againor has got anything but a pauper ' s dole or a

, Grand Lodge grant made when his home was broken up and insolvency had befallen him ? Let the worthy receive effective relief , and let us have more independence and less pauperism . — -PHILANTHBOPOS .

BEO . DE . W . BIED HEEAPATH . I was very much interested with your account of a brother of European reputation in science , and on whom many honours had been conferred . You said little as to his Masonic career ; but brethren would be gratified to know that one who was a distinction

to the Craft had been marked out for honour by the M . W . G . M ., and that Masonry , which professes to encourage science , had paid its tribute to a distinguished teacher . Can you inform us in what year Bro . Hevapath received his Grand Deaconship or other office ?—M . D . & M . M .

BEO . HAEEIS . Tour editorial note throwing a doubt on the earnestness of Bro . Harris has naturally excited some surprise . Bro . Harris must be as much in earnest as others who are successfully carrying out the same kiud of institutions . Opinions may differ as to the

utility of these , but they are too prominently before the public to be treated as nonsensities . Bro . Harris , if a man of limited education , is a representative man . —A CEAET MASON .

THE BEVIVAl 03 ? HASONET . I have seen , not without some pain , the jealousy that is exhibited towards Bros . Little , Harris , Hughan , and others who are engaged in enlarging the sphere of Freemasonry . These jealous expressions emanate , in my opinion , less from the Craft

pure and simple than from the members of the Ancient and Accepted Bite , and this is beyond my comprehension . Those who adhere to the Craft in its simplicity may look with contempt on what they consider the idle vanity of sham decorations and mock cere - monies , but those of the A . & A . Rite can have no legitimate ground for hostility on principle or practise .

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CHIPS OF FOREIGN ASHLAR. Article 1
THE CORINTHIAN ORDER; OR, THE THREE GRAND PILLARS. Article 2
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 8
THE MASONIC LIFEBOAT. Article 9
GRAND LODGE OF MARK MASTERS. Article 9
A COMPLIMENT. Article 9
CAPTAIN TORCKLER. Article 10
THE RED CROSS ORDER. Article 10
ROYAL ARCH MASONRY IN IRELAND. Article 10
MASONIC MEMS. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
SCOTLAND. Article 17
IRELAND. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
RED CROSS OF ROME AND CONSTANTINE. Article 19
THE PRINCE OF WALES AND FREEMASONRY. Article 19
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
THE WEEK ENDING NOVEMBER 14TH, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Kilwinning is no more the mother of Scottish Masonry from the 12 th to the I 3 th centuries than I am . Kilwinning became a Masonic mother in the 17 th century , and this partly or principally for or through political objects or motives and for its own ends .

The transactions of the Kilwinning Lodge in the 17 th century would be considered by the Glasgow and Edinburgh lodges , & e ., as great innovations , and contrary to true Masonic law and usage . While saying so , I have no desire to detract from Mother Kilwinning ' s deserts for what she has done during the last two hundred years for the good of Masonry . —W . P . BUCHAK .

UNION OE JTJEISDICTIONS . As a preparatory step to that union of jurisdictions in England in the hands of Lord Zetland which has been so much advocated , I would recommend the -union of the Templars and Bed Gross Knights by the election of one of the G . M . ' s at sole G . M . Lord

'Kenlis , as the younger , may give place to Sir Knight Stuart with" the right of succession , or under a joint agreement that both shall yield to Lord Zetland whenever he is ready to assume the throne of office over one or the other Order . —K . T .

THE EOSIOEUCIAN SOCIETY . I must still hold my ground against Frater Hughan , although I am only an amateur Prater and Rosicrucian , occupying myself with the books , and having no laboratory now . I maintain that the acquisition of suitable hoots on Rosicrucianism is very expensive .

This Erater Hughan must know that books on Rosicrucianism are much dearer thon those on astrology , and far dearer than some of the printed books on either branch of magic . The reasons are simple—because printed books are rare and of little value , and the MSS . books are necessarily illuminatedand therefore

, costly . It is next to impossible to get on with uncoloured diagrams . The English branch of the Rosicrucian Society is , as I well know , limited , not taking in more than the -mystic number of 144 of the most learned students of England ; but I must confess I never heard of its costing- more than £ 100 to

become a member . Consequentl y , I say again that Rosicrucianism can he got at in a cheap and compendious form under learned expositors , in the persons of Fratres Hughan and Rawley ; for the books and laboratory , as any practical man knows , will cost a great deal more ; and a man may , like Dr .

Leeson , spend a lifetime in the study of the books and yet feel unsatisfied . I say nothing about the cost of chemicals , which is considerable . I consider it my duty to recommend the Rosicrucian Society in opposition to what Frater Hughan may say . I can only confirm , from my own unfortunate experience ,

that what the Society really is or was is known but to few indeed , and may be considered as great a mystery to them as to the outer world . If I have time , I shall have great pleasure in publishing some of the interesting ceremonies , though I shall be glad to give place to Erater Hughan . —E . H .

BED CEOSS OP EOME AND CONSTANTINE . I am much obliged for the valuable and courteous communication of Bro . Hughan . I had hoped he would hare been able to solve the question I put , as

he had so many others . He only goes so far as to limit the antiquity of the Red Cross to a period after 1770 . He tells us , however , that Bro . Little , the historian of the Bed Cross , has laid it down that the Premier Conclave was in working order before 1770 . Anything coming from the distinguished Grand

Becorder , Bro . Little , being authentic , and vouched by documents , it will be a great advantage if he or Bro . Hughan will point out in wh ° ch of Bro . Little ' s histories this statement is to be found . It will be very important in the question of the priority of the Orders . Bro . Hughan speaks conclusively as to the

modern origin of the Masonic Templars , but is rather reserved as to the Bed Cross . "If the Bed Cross has the great antiquity Bro . Little has laid down for it , is it not the natural conclusion that Knight Temp larism is later , and very probably an imitation of a sublimer degree?—J . CHABTERS .

BELIEF . Does our Board of Benevolence answer to its purposes in administering effective relief in cases of real distress ? Who can tell us of a decayed brother who has ever received such aid as to set him up in life againor has got anything but a pauper ' s dole or a

, Grand Lodge grant made when his home was broken up and insolvency had befallen him ? Let the worthy receive effective relief , and let us have more independence and less pauperism . — -PHILANTHBOPOS .

BEO . DE . W . BIED HEEAPATH . I was very much interested with your account of a brother of European reputation in science , and on whom many honours had been conferred . You said little as to his Masonic career ; but brethren would be gratified to know that one who was a distinction

to the Craft had been marked out for honour by the M . W . G . M ., and that Masonry , which professes to encourage science , had paid its tribute to a distinguished teacher . Can you inform us in what year Bro . Hevapath received his Grand Deaconship or other office ?—M . D . & M . M .

BEO . HAEEIS . Tour editorial note throwing a doubt on the earnestness of Bro . Harris has naturally excited some surprise . Bro . Harris must be as much in earnest as others who are successfully carrying out the same kiud of institutions . Opinions may differ as to the

utility of these , but they are too prominently before the public to be treated as nonsensities . Bro . Harris , if a man of limited education , is a representative man . —A CEAET MASON .

THE BEVIVAl 03 ? HASONET . I have seen , not without some pain , the jealousy that is exhibited towards Bros . Little , Harris , Hughan , and others who are engaged in enlarging the sphere of Freemasonry . These jealous expressions emanate , in my opinion , less from the Craft

pure and simple than from the members of the Ancient and Accepted Bite , and this is beyond my comprehension . Those who adhere to the Craft in its simplicity may look with contempt on what they consider the idle vanity of sham decorations and mock cere - monies , but those of the A . & A . Rite can have no legitimate ground for hostility on principle or practise .

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