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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A GRAND LODGE . A Grand Lodge is a lodge which is self-constituted and independent , and which constitutes and controls subordinate lodges . —From , one of Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S Note Books .

ANTIQUITY OP THE THIRD DEGREE . Bro . David M . Lyon ' s contributions of late to the Magazine have been of more than usual interest and importance ; and hence I would fain hope that their nature and objects have not been merely curiously glanced athut received that due amount of attention

, and consideration which they richly deserve . One thing now is clear as respects the antiquity of the third degree , that neither in England nor in Scotland are there to be found any records mentioning the Master Mason ' s degree before the revival of A . D . 1717 . It therefore follows that as modern

Freemasonry ( whether in lodges or Grand Lodges , in any part of the world ) sprang from , or can be traced up to , the revival of A . D . 1717 , no part of the third degree , as such , can possibly be more than some hundred and fifty years old . My friend Bro . Lyon , in his interesting ' ¦ Wheat Ears , " speaks of Fellow Crafts

being made representatives in the Grand Lodge of Scotland before A . D . 1740 . In England we have records of deputations consisting of Fellow Craft as late as A . D . 1751 . We trust that Bro . Lyon will soon issue his famous History of Mother Kilwinning in a hook form , as in that way much good will be done to render the records of the oldest fable in the world accessible to all . —WILLIAM J . HUGHAN .

SPECULATIVE MASONRY . Speculative Masonry , rightly understood , is the acquisition of religious and ethical ideas by reflection upon ourselves and the universe . —From one of Bro . PUETON COOPER ' S Memorandum Books . ANTIQUITY OE THE THIRD DEGREE .

Cannot our learned Bro . Murray Lyon see that the Grand Lodge of Scotland referred to is nothing but an imitation of the London Grand Lodge , and that Fellow Crafts could be Wardens ancl members of Grand Lodge P—E . T .

THE WISE MAN . F In all things , not incompatible with Natural Ethics , the wise man observes the religion of his country . — From Bro . PURTON COOPER ' Note Book . ZEAL—KNOWLEDGE . Not unseldomwhere zeal is excessiveknowled

, , ge is defective . —From the papers of a deceased Mason in Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S collections . ENGLISH MASONIC PERIODICAL . Religion , ethics , charity , antiquities , legends , history , ceremonies , symbolism , festivals , banquets , lodge

meetings—all must have places in the English Masonic periodical . The editor , of course , does what he can to assign fitting space to each . His task , however , is not an easy one , unless he can ascertain the tastes and wishes of a considerable majority of subscribers and readers . —From a manuscript in Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S possession , entitled " Freemasons ' Table Talk . "

Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE GROWTH OE SPURIOUS LEGENDS . THE THREE BLACK CROWS . Of this we have a striking example at p . 90 . The learned and distinguished brother , with reference to an absurd legend about Robert Bruce and the imaginary Grand Lodge of Kilwinning , wrote : The ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning is said . "

Another zealous brother , Murray Lyon , then writes " It is confidently asserted , ' '— " confidently asserted : " confidently asserted by whom ? Not by our learned brother , Purton Cooper ; he has not fallen into the trap . Far from it ; his words were : "It is said . " Now , by whom can such a thing have been confidently asserted , aud what is the value of the confident assertion of a modern upou unrecorded aud imaginary ancient history . —R . T .

EPIGENESIS—EVOLUTION . See my communication " Primordial Germs , p . 50 of the present volume . Iu answer to a second letter , signed " Naturalist , " I say that of the two theories —Epigenesis and Evolution—the former appears to me far more satisfactory than the latter . —C . P . COOPER .

PROGRESS . Brother " N . B . E ., " it is Avhen the Great Architect-of the Universe sends into the world men endued with some particular talents and abilities that there is progress . —C . P . COOPER .

THE FREEMASONS ( p . 90 ) . Bro . W . P . Buchan gives us his opinion that the meaning of Freemasons adopted by archcoologists is erroneous , and goes further to lay down a fanciful opinion that Freemason may mean something else . Were Bro . Buchau the greatest authority in England

on such subjects , his opinion would have very little weight , for this happens to be a matter as to which there are facts , and it must be decided by facts , I invite him , therefore , to apply his new solution about church and king , & c , to the Free and Liberi of other mysteries aud guilds in this aud other countries , other than Freemasons . —R- T .

PRAYER , NATURAL THEISM . On the subject of Prayer , a brother who has laid aside " Christian Theism , " and adopted " Natural Theism , " may very well begin by reading the Dialogue attributed to Plato , called tho " Second A . lcibiades , " and then proceed to the tenth Satire of Juvenal . —C . P . COOPER .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinion , expressed by Correspondents . THE GRAND SECRETARYSHIP .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE MSEHJISOXS 3 IAG-AZIi : S AXD ^ lACO' ^ O 2111111017 , Dear Sir and Brother , —Repeatedly have I brought before the notice of your readers one or two matters in reference to the management of the Craft at Head Quarters - . —1 st . The absence of any restriction as to

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THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 1
MASONIC ARCHÆOLOGICAL INSTITUTE. Article 4
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CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
VERY LIKE AN IMPOSTOR. Article 10
MUSIC IN LODGES. Article 11
MASONIC CHARITIES. Article 11
MASONIC INSTITUTION FOR BOYS. Article 11
CHIVALROUS MASONRY. Article 12
A THEIST'S BREVIARY. Article 12
MASONIC MEM. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
Untitled Article 16
IRELAND. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 19
REVIEWS. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
Poetry. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING AUGUST 15, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A GRAND LODGE . A Grand Lodge is a lodge which is self-constituted and independent , and which constitutes and controls subordinate lodges . —From , one of Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S Note Books .

ANTIQUITY OP THE THIRD DEGREE . Bro . David M . Lyon ' s contributions of late to the Magazine have been of more than usual interest and importance ; and hence I would fain hope that their nature and objects have not been merely curiously glanced athut received that due amount of attention

, and consideration which they richly deserve . One thing now is clear as respects the antiquity of the third degree , that neither in England nor in Scotland are there to be found any records mentioning the Master Mason ' s degree before the revival of A . D . 1717 . It therefore follows that as modern

Freemasonry ( whether in lodges or Grand Lodges , in any part of the world ) sprang from , or can be traced up to , the revival of A . D . 1717 , no part of the third degree , as such , can possibly be more than some hundred and fifty years old . My friend Bro . Lyon , in his interesting ' ¦ Wheat Ears , " speaks of Fellow Crafts

being made representatives in the Grand Lodge of Scotland before A . D . 1740 . In England we have records of deputations consisting of Fellow Craft as late as A . D . 1751 . We trust that Bro . Lyon will soon issue his famous History of Mother Kilwinning in a hook form , as in that way much good will be done to render the records of the oldest fable in the world accessible to all . —WILLIAM J . HUGHAN .

SPECULATIVE MASONRY . Speculative Masonry , rightly understood , is the acquisition of religious and ethical ideas by reflection upon ourselves and the universe . —From one of Bro . PUETON COOPER ' S Memorandum Books . ANTIQUITY OE THE THIRD DEGREE .

Cannot our learned Bro . Murray Lyon see that the Grand Lodge of Scotland referred to is nothing but an imitation of the London Grand Lodge , and that Fellow Crafts could be Wardens ancl members of Grand Lodge P—E . T .

THE WISE MAN . F In all things , not incompatible with Natural Ethics , the wise man observes the religion of his country . — From Bro . PURTON COOPER ' Note Book . ZEAL—KNOWLEDGE . Not unseldomwhere zeal is excessiveknowled

, , ge is defective . —From the papers of a deceased Mason in Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S collections . ENGLISH MASONIC PERIODICAL . Religion , ethics , charity , antiquities , legends , history , ceremonies , symbolism , festivals , banquets , lodge

meetings—all must have places in the English Masonic periodical . The editor , of course , does what he can to assign fitting space to each . His task , however , is not an easy one , unless he can ascertain the tastes and wishes of a considerable majority of subscribers and readers . —From a manuscript in Bro . PURTON COOPER ' S possession , entitled " Freemasons ' Table Talk . "

Masonic Notes And Queries.

THE GROWTH OE SPURIOUS LEGENDS . THE THREE BLACK CROWS . Of this we have a striking example at p . 90 . The learned and distinguished brother , with reference to an absurd legend about Robert Bruce and the imaginary Grand Lodge of Kilwinning , wrote : The ancient Grand Lodge of Kilwinning is said . "

Another zealous brother , Murray Lyon , then writes " It is confidently asserted , ' '— " confidently asserted : " confidently asserted by whom ? Not by our learned brother , Purton Cooper ; he has not fallen into the trap . Far from it ; his words were : "It is said . " Now , by whom can such a thing have been confidently asserted , aud what is the value of the confident assertion of a modern upou unrecorded aud imaginary ancient history . —R . T .

EPIGENESIS—EVOLUTION . See my communication " Primordial Germs , p . 50 of the present volume . Iu answer to a second letter , signed " Naturalist , " I say that of the two theories —Epigenesis and Evolution—the former appears to me far more satisfactory than the latter . —C . P . COOPER .

PROGRESS . Brother " N . B . E ., " it is Avhen the Great Architect-of the Universe sends into the world men endued with some particular talents and abilities that there is progress . —C . P . COOPER .

THE FREEMASONS ( p . 90 ) . Bro . W . P . Buchan gives us his opinion that the meaning of Freemasons adopted by archcoologists is erroneous , and goes further to lay down a fanciful opinion that Freemason may mean something else . Were Bro . Buchau the greatest authority in England

on such subjects , his opinion would have very little weight , for this happens to be a matter as to which there are facts , and it must be decided by facts , I invite him , therefore , to apply his new solution about church and king , & c , to the Free and Liberi of other mysteries aud guilds in this aud other countries , other than Freemasons . —R- T .

PRAYER , NATURAL THEISM . On the subject of Prayer , a brother who has laid aside " Christian Theism , " and adopted " Natural Theism , " may very well begin by reading the Dialogue attributed to Plato , called tho " Second A . lcibiades , " and then proceed to the tenth Satire of Juvenal . —C . P . COOPER .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinion , expressed by Correspondents . THE GRAND SECRETARYSHIP .

TO THE EDITOR OP THE MSEHJISOXS 3 IAG-AZIi : S AXD ^ lACO' ^ O 2111111017 , Dear Sir and Brother , —Repeatedly have I brought before the notice of your readers one or two matters in reference to the management of the Craft at Head Quarters - . —1 st . The absence of any restriction as to

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