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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

WIM / TAAI OTE LION ' S CIIAETEE . As Bro . Buchan purposes sending another communication to the Matiazina anent my interpretation of this charter , I shall wait for it . Meanwhile , I may point out to Bro . Buchan that there is no proof that the monksor the bishop evenhad residences out of

, , the Cathedral in the time of William the Lion . Also those which he calls my mistakes , scarcely deserve such a term . I think he has not proved them to be so . With him , I should like to know what " A Masonic Student" thinks of the case now . —ANTHONY ONEAL HATE .

THE scorcn ' D BEOS . BUCHAN AND A . O . HATE , AND THE SCOT BKO . D . SI . LXON . I have paid some attention to the correspondence between Bros . Buchan and Lyon relative to the use of the words Scotch and Scot , and had considered that

the former brother had adopted the views so ably ¦ propounded by Bro . Lyon , and that the correspondence was at an end , when , lo ! another star appears in Bro . Haye , who steps in and declares that the word " Scotch is a vulgarism " and is " condemned by Hume , Henry Mackenzie , Henry Erskine , and fhe writers in the

' Scots Magazine . '" I should like to be favoured through your columns with one iota of proof of so unsupported an assertion , and fancy Bro . Haye must have meant quite the reverse . However , I await his answer , as lie ou ^ ht to know what he meant better than—RES NON VEEBA . . BELICS IN THE CntJECII OE THE HOLY SEPULCHEE AT JEEUSALEJI .

The above is a sketch of what is said to be the original ^ badge of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre . This jewel is of silver-gilt , the large central cross being enriched with five rubies , and the letters I . H . S . engraved in the middle of each of the four smaller crosses ; at the back of the large cross , but nearly obliterated

, are the letters I . L . D . K . —C . J . L . G . Any brother visiting Jerusalem may see this jewel by applying to the Sacristan of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre , in whose custody will also be found a pair of spurs and an ancient two-handed sword , which are stated to have formerly belonged to Godfrey de Bouillon

; with this sword the Superior of the Franciscans bestows the acclolade on those whom he creates Knights of the Holy Sepulchre .

It appears somewhat strange that none of the Masonic authors should have mentioned the existence of these relics , which are assuredly genuine , and must bo deemed of interest to those who are iu possession of certain of the chivalric degrees . Perhaps some brother will favour us with further information on this subject . —DNALXO .

SCOTS AND SCOTCH . Bro . Lyon errs in assuming that I "join issue with W . P . B . iu his futile attempt to suppress the words Scotch and Scotchmen . " The attempt is neither futile nor pedantic . It is a vindication of the right . Because some writers choose to right slovenlythat

, does not prove the slovenliness to be correct , and I have given instances sufficient to prove that W . P . B . and myself are correct . One swallow does not make a summer , and one writer in the " Scots Magazine "an Englishman , by the way—does not prove that I am wrong . Among the last times I had the pleasure

of seeing our lamented Bro . Bonar , I drew his attention to the improper use he made of the words , when he acknowledged I was correct . I think , however , there are worthier subjects for Bros . Lyon and Buehan ' s consideration than this , and while we shall not quarrel with Bro . Lyon for using Scotch and Scotchmen , I know he will permit Bro . Buchan and me to use Scots and Scotsmen . —A . 0 . HAYE .

BEO . " E . Y ., " AND " NOTA , " and BEO . HUGHAN . I am obliged to Bros . " R . V . " and "Nota ' ' for their most fraternal communications respecting Bro . Dr . D'Assigny ' s work of A . D . 1744 , of which I possess a copy believed to be unique ; and , in answer to their kind inquiriesmust beg them to allow me to preserve

, silence , so far as any more information relative to the work is concerned , pro lent , as I am considering the desirability of having it reprinted for the benefit of the Craft universal . I would , in fact , reprint it in 1 S 69 , could I be secured against loss ( as my Masonic endeavours generally tend to that financial end );

but , having so much on my hands at present concerning Masonry , I simply wish to avoid anything like trouble or anxiety respecting the sale of the work . — WiimiAir JAMES HUGH AN .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinion * expressed 6 y Correspondents , MASONIC DISCIPLINE . TO Tim EDITOR OF THE FliMMASO . YS' MAGAZINE AlfD 1 TAS 0 IUC MIBB 0 B . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read with much

pleasure the articles in course of publication in the Marja-ine on " Masonic Discipline . " It has for some years appeared to me that in many respects a revision of the Book of Constitutions is much needed . This I have not hesitated to state when opportunities have offeredaud it is gratifing to find that indications

, y often crop out , showing that such an impression is becoming more prevalent . At the head of the changes which seem necessary , is one the statement of which maybe by some considered as almost amounting to high treason , without the reservation which I desire to

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WHAT IS FREEMASONRY? Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 4
LIFE-BOAT SERVICES. Article 7
GRAND LODGE OF IOWA.—II. Article 7
MASONIC PERSECUTION.—II. Article 8
MASONIC DISCIPLINE.—VI.—(contd.) Article 9
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 11
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
Untitled Article 13
MASONIC MEMS. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 14
SCOTLAND. Article 15
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 16
Obituary. Article 16
REVIEWS. Article 17
LAYING THE FOUNDATION-STONE OF A NEW FREEMASONS' HALL IN DURHAM. Article 18
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING JANUARY 16TH, 1869. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

WIM / TAAI OTE LION ' S CIIAETEE . As Bro . Buchan purposes sending another communication to the Matiazina anent my interpretation of this charter , I shall wait for it . Meanwhile , I may point out to Bro . Buchan that there is no proof that the monksor the bishop evenhad residences out of

, , the Cathedral in the time of William the Lion . Also those which he calls my mistakes , scarcely deserve such a term . I think he has not proved them to be so . With him , I should like to know what " A Masonic Student" thinks of the case now . —ANTHONY ONEAL HATE .

THE scorcn ' D BEOS . BUCHAN AND A . O . HATE , AND THE SCOT BKO . D . SI . LXON . I have paid some attention to the correspondence between Bros . Buchan and Lyon relative to the use of the words Scotch and Scot , and had considered that

the former brother had adopted the views so ably ¦ propounded by Bro . Lyon , and that the correspondence was at an end , when , lo ! another star appears in Bro . Haye , who steps in and declares that the word " Scotch is a vulgarism " and is " condemned by Hume , Henry Mackenzie , Henry Erskine , and fhe writers in the

' Scots Magazine . '" I should like to be favoured through your columns with one iota of proof of so unsupported an assertion , and fancy Bro . Haye must have meant quite the reverse . However , I await his answer , as lie ou ^ ht to know what he meant better than—RES NON VEEBA . . BELICS IN THE CntJECII OE THE HOLY SEPULCHEE AT JEEUSALEJI .

The above is a sketch of what is said to be the original ^ badge of the Knights of the Holy Sepulchre . This jewel is of silver-gilt , the large central cross being enriched with five rubies , and the letters I . H . S . engraved in the middle of each of the four smaller crosses ; at the back of the large cross , but nearly obliterated

, are the letters I . L . D . K . —C . J . L . G . Any brother visiting Jerusalem may see this jewel by applying to the Sacristan of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre , in whose custody will also be found a pair of spurs and an ancient two-handed sword , which are stated to have formerly belonged to Godfrey de Bouillon

; with this sword the Superior of the Franciscans bestows the acclolade on those whom he creates Knights of the Holy Sepulchre .

It appears somewhat strange that none of the Masonic authors should have mentioned the existence of these relics , which are assuredly genuine , and must bo deemed of interest to those who are iu possession of certain of the chivalric degrees . Perhaps some brother will favour us with further information on this subject . —DNALXO .

SCOTS AND SCOTCH . Bro . Lyon errs in assuming that I "join issue with W . P . B . iu his futile attempt to suppress the words Scotch and Scotchmen . " The attempt is neither futile nor pedantic . It is a vindication of the right . Because some writers choose to right slovenlythat

, does not prove the slovenliness to be correct , and I have given instances sufficient to prove that W . P . B . and myself are correct . One swallow does not make a summer , and one writer in the " Scots Magazine "an Englishman , by the way—does not prove that I am wrong . Among the last times I had the pleasure

of seeing our lamented Bro . Bonar , I drew his attention to the improper use he made of the words , when he acknowledged I was correct . I think , however , there are worthier subjects for Bros . Lyon and Buehan ' s consideration than this , and while we shall not quarrel with Bro . Lyon for using Scotch and Scotchmen , I know he will permit Bro . Buchan and me to use Scots and Scotsmen . —A . 0 . HAYE .

BEO . " E . Y ., " AND " NOTA , " and BEO . HUGHAN . I am obliged to Bros . " R . V . " and "Nota ' ' for their most fraternal communications respecting Bro . Dr . D'Assigny ' s work of A . D . 1744 , of which I possess a copy believed to be unique ; and , in answer to their kind inquiriesmust beg them to allow me to preserve

, silence , so far as any more information relative to the work is concerned , pro lent , as I am considering the desirability of having it reprinted for the benefit of the Craft universal . I would , in fact , reprint it in 1 S 69 , could I be secured against loss ( as my Masonic endeavours generally tend to that financial end );

but , having so much on my hands at present concerning Masonry , I simply wish to avoid anything like trouble or anxiety respecting the sale of the work . — WiimiAir JAMES HUGH AN .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinion * expressed 6 y Correspondents , MASONIC DISCIPLINE . TO Tim EDITOR OF THE FliMMASO . YS' MAGAZINE AlfD 1 TAS 0 IUC MIBB 0 B . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have read with much

pleasure the articles in course of publication in the Marja-ine on " Masonic Discipline . " It has for some years appeared to me that in many respects a revision of the Book of Constitutions is much needed . This I have not hesitated to state when opportunities have offeredaud it is gratifing to find that indications

, y often crop out , showing that such an impression is becoming more prevalent . At the head of the changes which seem necessary , is one the statement of which maybe by some considered as almost amounting to high treason , without the reservation which I desire to

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