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"Fano Ne Profano."

unseemly and irreverent prayers so often used in certain ceremonials , and which are even more objectionable than the religious plays of Catholic countries , which used to be called " Mysteries . " £ n my opinion there should he appointed a Grand Committee , selected from the general Masonic body ,

to investigate these abuses , and to suggest a Masonic Eeform Bill , which should place Freemasonry on a basis in harmony with the intelligence of the age . Yours fraternally , L . ( E . A . ) P . S . —I may take this opportunity of calling the

attention of Bro . Buchan and others to the " Squairmen " of Scotlandinthe 16 th and 17 th centuries . In Dumfries , the Deacon of the Squirmen ( square-men ) was at the head of a confraternity of Operatives (?) who used the SQTJAEE in their crafts , and included carpenters as well as masons . In fact , "Square-men" is a name very

much to the point , and if it had been originally adopted in Speculative Masonry , would haA r e obviated many subsequent misconceptions . " Squairmen" will be found amongst the testators whose names are recorded in the Commissariat of Dumfries , Eeg . Ho . Edin ., but I need not give their names . — -L . ( E . A . )

" Glasgow Freemen Operative St. John's Lodge.

" GLASGOW FREEMEN OPERATIVE ST . JOHN ' S LODGE .

[ From the Glasgow Herald . " ] " Sir , —Permit me to say a few words in regard to the tempest in a teapot raised by ' Masonieus , ' in your journal ofthe 14 th aud prior dates , anent the procession at the foundation stone-laying of the Albert Bridge on the 3 rd June , and the unhappy misunderstanding that

took place between the St . John's and the Grand Lodges . Having acted at the laying the foundation of the former bridge about forty years ago , I fully intended to have taken my assigned place in the Grand Lodge , which I have clone at the following ceremonies , viz .: —The Hutchesontown Bridge , the

Jamaicastreet Bridge , the Victoria or StoelcAvell-street Bridge , Sir Walter Scott ' s Monument ( if I recollect aright ) , also the Eoyal Lunatic Asylum ( Gnrtiiavel ) , and tho Barnhill Poors' House . Iu all of these I acted as one ofthe Grand Lodge , Avearing its clothing , & c . Being all practical as Avell as speculative Masons , a certain number of the St . John ' s Lodge were requested , throuoli our own E . W . M .. bv the Grand Lodsre to

carry the tools used at the ceremony , which we did unanimously , and as to Avhich there was never any hitch the same as took place on the 3 rd ult . We attended tho opening of the Grand Lodge in the Chapter House of our noble old Cathedral , heard sermons aftei-Avarcls , walked Avith the Grand Lodge ,

completed our work at the building , and ' refreshed in the light' with our brethren and the civic authorities on all the occasions Avhich I have referred to ; but while I state that there Avas no hitch so far as being requested b y the Grand Lodge to carry the tools , there was a most unbrotherly attempt made several times

at the processions to shift the St . John's Lodge from its proper position , which Avas next to the Grand Lodge , and place it in a lower place . If I mistake not , the Edinburg St . Mary ' s Lodge Avas the delinquent more than once , but tlie attempt was frustrated by the firmness of the St . John ' s Lodge , backed and supported as they were by their brethren of tbe other lodges in the west ; and while they have never de-

" Glasgow Freemen Operative St. John's Lodge.

sired to obtrude themselves at Edinburg , & c , in the province of Glasgow they never submitted , nor , I trust , will ever submit , to he trampled upon by any of the Eastern lodges . I don't know whether there is any express law warranting the St . John's Lodge to act as to the tools carrying ¦ but surely 40 years '

' use and wont' is sufficient title . As for ' breakingout into open mutiny' that is simply absurd . The Glasgow Freemen Operative St . John ' s Lodge is the senior lodge in Scotland even to the Grand Lodge ; and had onr predecessors in office done their duty , every lodge in Scotland would haA'e required to get a

charter from them , and the St . John ' s would now be in the receipt of a large income , which I suppose the Grand Lodge now enjoys . As to the conduct of the St . John's members being uncourteous aud ungentlemanly , there are two opinions as to that ; and so highly do the office hearers and members of the St . John ' s Lodge appreciate the spirited conduct of their Avorthy E . W . M ., Mr . John Baird , that they are to giA e him a testimonial in the Eoyal Hotel , Greorge-square , this

weeks . "As to the Grand Lodge giving our lodge the high position Ho . 3 bis , the roll being ihe Grand , Mother Kilwinuing , Edinburgh St . Mary ' s , aud another lodge , Avhich I forget at this moment , our position ought to have been in ' tlie roll No . 2 ; and as to the patronising way in which the affiliation of St . John ' s Lodge took

place , I can state , if 'Masonieus' does not know already , that ib was the subject of deep regret to many ofthe best aud most enthusiastic Masons in Scotland that the old St . John ' s could not bo induced to enter the fold , where she would be received with optyn arms . JMegociatious Avere accordingly gone into , and being

supported by such worthy brethren as Professor Arnott , the late distinguished E . vF . M . of St .- Mark ' s , and many others in Glasgow , and the Duke of Athole ( who was Gf . M . ) , Whyte Melville , and others in Edinburgh , the matter was arranged , as . now settled , ns to the roll number . I was one of tbe deputation who went to Edinburgh at the conclusion of tlie buaaass ,

and those AVIIO Avere present at tlie sumptuous banquet which took place in Ea . ; iip ! iii ' .-3 Hotel , opposite th ; .:-oh ! post-olilce there , will iruc icoii forget the haraiouy that existed on that splendid occasion . "As for proof of the genuineness ol ih < J charts : ' granted by our Scottish King , Malcolm Canmore , it

is not worth spending time to prove to ' Mr . ronicus ' that it is so . The document was produced iu a civil action many years ago before the Lords of Council and Session , and its authenticity is admitted . The myth as to the forgery in 1 S 0 S is all ' bosh . ' " As my letter is already too long , and ' Masonieus '

fond of hiding his literary abilities under a Latin mask , I will conclude by quoting two Latin sentences—Nemo me impuno lacessit and Se crepiilam ullra sulor , which , being very liberally interpreted , means ' May we always do as Ave ought to do . ' —I am , yours respectfully , THOMAS M- 'GLTFIE , LA ., 101 , West ^ tilestreet . "

Glasgow St. John's And The Masonic Processios.

GLASGOW ST . JOHN ' S AND THE MASONIC PROCESSIOS .

j From the Glasgow Herald . " ] " June 17 , 1870 . " gj V )—Erom first to last , the GlasgoAv St . John ' s have put their foot in it in regard to this matter , and

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Untitled Article 1
MASONIC RED CROSS ORDER. Article 1
HISTORY OF FREEMASONRY IN WORCESTERSHIRE. Article 5
MASONIC JOTTINGS.—No. 27. Article 7
SPECULATIVE MASONRY OF ANCIENT NATIONS VARIED. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
"FANO NE PROFANO." Article 8
" GLASGOW FREEMEN OPERATIVE ST. JOHN'S LODGE. Article 9
GLASGOW ST. JOHN'S AND THE MASONIC PROCESSIOS. Article 9
MASONIC DEMONSTRATION IN GLASGOW AND THE GLASGOW ST. JOHN'S LODGE. Article 10
Untitled Article 12
MASONIC MEMS. Article 12
Craft Masonry. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
IRELAND. Article 17
INDIA. Article 17
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE. Article 18
THE ROYAL ORDER OF SCOTLAND. Article 18
Poetry. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
BRO. CAPT. GEORGE FEAL LAMERT. Article 20
LIST OF LODGE, MEETINGS, &c., FOR WEEK ENDING 16TH, JULY 1870. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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"Fano Ne Profano."

unseemly and irreverent prayers so often used in certain ceremonials , and which are even more objectionable than the religious plays of Catholic countries , which used to be called " Mysteries . " £ n my opinion there should he appointed a Grand Committee , selected from the general Masonic body ,

to investigate these abuses , and to suggest a Masonic Eeform Bill , which should place Freemasonry on a basis in harmony with the intelligence of the age . Yours fraternally , L . ( E . A . ) P . S . —I may take this opportunity of calling the

attention of Bro . Buchan and others to the " Squairmen " of Scotlandinthe 16 th and 17 th centuries . In Dumfries , the Deacon of the Squirmen ( square-men ) was at the head of a confraternity of Operatives (?) who used the SQTJAEE in their crafts , and included carpenters as well as masons . In fact , "Square-men" is a name very

much to the point , and if it had been originally adopted in Speculative Masonry , would haA r e obviated many subsequent misconceptions . " Squairmen" will be found amongst the testators whose names are recorded in the Commissariat of Dumfries , Eeg . Ho . Edin ., but I need not give their names . — -L . ( E . A . )

" Glasgow Freemen Operative St. John's Lodge.

" GLASGOW FREEMEN OPERATIVE ST . JOHN ' S LODGE .

[ From the Glasgow Herald . " ] " Sir , —Permit me to say a few words in regard to the tempest in a teapot raised by ' Masonieus , ' in your journal ofthe 14 th aud prior dates , anent the procession at the foundation stone-laying of the Albert Bridge on the 3 rd June , and the unhappy misunderstanding that

took place between the St . John's and the Grand Lodges . Having acted at the laying the foundation of the former bridge about forty years ago , I fully intended to have taken my assigned place in the Grand Lodge , which I have clone at the following ceremonies , viz .: —The Hutchesontown Bridge , the

Jamaicastreet Bridge , the Victoria or StoelcAvell-street Bridge , Sir Walter Scott ' s Monument ( if I recollect aright ) , also the Eoyal Lunatic Asylum ( Gnrtiiavel ) , and tho Barnhill Poors' House . Iu all of these I acted as one ofthe Grand Lodge , Avearing its clothing , & c . Being all practical as Avell as speculative Masons , a certain number of the St . John ' s Lodge were requested , throuoli our own E . W . M .. bv the Grand Lodsre to

carry the tools used at the ceremony , which we did unanimously , and as to Avhich there was never any hitch the same as took place on the 3 rd ult . We attended tho opening of the Grand Lodge in the Chapter House of our noble old Cathedral , heard sermons aftei-Avarcls , walked Avith the Grand Lodge ,

completed our work at the building , and ' refreshed in the light' with our brethren and the civic authorities on all the occasions Avhich I have referred to ; but while I state that there Avas no hitch so far as being requested b y the Grand Lodge to carry the tools , there was a most unbrotherly attempt made several times

at the processions to shift the St . John's Lodge from its proper position , which Avas next to the Grand Lodge , and place it in a lower place . If I mistake not , the Edinburg St . Mary ' s Lodge Avas the delinquent more than once , but tlie attempt was frustrated by the firmness of the St . John ' s Lodge , backed and supported as they were by their brethren of tbe other lodges in the west ; and while they have never de-

" Glasgow Freemen Operative St. John's Lodge.

sired to obtrude themselves at Edinburg , & c , in the province of Glasgow they never submitted , nor , I trust , will ever submit , to he trampled upon by any of the Eastern lodges . I don't know whether there is any express law warranting the St . John's Lodge to act as to the tools carrying ¦ but surely 40 years '

' use and wont' is sufficient title . As for ' breakingout into open mutiny' that is simply absurd . The Glasgow Freemen Operative St . John ' s Lodge is the senior lodge in Scotland even to the Grand Lodge ; and had onr predecessors in office done their duty , every lodge in Scotland would haA'e required to get a

charter from them , and the St . John ' s would now be in the receipt of a large income , which I suppose the Grand Lodge now enjoys . As to the conduct of the St . John's members being uncourteous aud ungentlemanly , there are two opinions as to that ; and so highly do the office hearers and members of the St . John ' s Lodge appreciate the spirited conduct of their Avorthy E . W . M ., Mr . John Baird , that they are to giA e him a testimonial in the Eoyal Hotel , Greorge-square , this

weeks . "As to the Grand Lodge giving our lodge the high position Ho . 3 bis , the roll being ihe Grand , Mother Kilwinuing , Edinburgh St . Mary ' s , aud another lodge , Avhich I forget at this moment , our position ought to have been in ' tlie roll No . 2 ; and as to the patronising way in which the affiliation of St . John ' s Lodge took

place , I can state , if 'Masonieus' does not know already , that ib was the subject of deep regret to many ofthe best aud most enthusiastic Masons in Scotland that the old St . John ' s could not bo induced to enter the fold , where she would be received with optyn arms . JMegociatious Avere accordingly gone into , and being

supported by such worthy brethren as Professor Arnott , the late distinguished E . vF . M . of St .- Mark ' s , and many others in Glasgow , and the Duke of Athole ( who was Gf . M . ) , Whyte Melville , and others in Edinburgh , the matter was arranged , as . now settled , ns to the roll number . I was one of tbe deputation who went to Edinburgh at the conclusion of tlie buaaass ,

and those AVIIO Avere present at tlie sumptuous banquet which took place in Ea . ; iip ! iii ' .-3 Hotel , opposite th ; .:-oh ! post-olilce there , will iruc icoii forget the haraiouy that existed on that splendid occasion . "As for proof of the genuineness ol ih < J charts : ' granted by our Scottish King , Malcolm Canmore , it

is not worth spending time to prove to ' Mr . ronicus ' that it is so . The document was produced iu a civil action many years ago before the Lords of Council and Session , and its authenticity is admitted . The myth as to the forgery in 1 S 0 S is all ' bosh . ' " As my letter is already too long , and ' Masonieus '

fond of hiding his literary abilities under a Latin mask , I will conclude by quoting two Latin sentences—Nemo me impuno lacessit and Se crepiilam ullra sulor , which , being very liberally interpreted , means ' May we always do as Ave ought to do . ' —I am , yours respectfully , THOMAS M- 'GLTFIE , LA ., 101 , West ^ tilestreet . "

Glasgow St. John's And The Masonic Processios.

GLASGOW ST . JOHN ' S AND THE MASONIC PROCESSIOS .

j From the Glasgow Herald . " ] " June 17 , 1870 . " gj V )—Erom first to last , the GlasgoAv St . John ' s have put their foot in it in regard to this matter , and

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