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Masonic Impostors.

Freemasonry . It is quite time that some organization should take place between provincial lodges , with a view to put a stop to such shameful practices . If the individual brethren of every lodge would cease to give aid to such men , aud on all occasions refer them to the appointed Almoner , the evil would materially

abate , and the money now wasted upon impostors or undeserving brethren would do much to enrich our valuable Masonic charities . Tours fraternally , WILLIAM DAY KEYWOETH , P . M . 57 , P . P . G . Supt . of Works , N . & E . Torkshire , aud Almoner for 57 , 257 , & 1 , 010 . 54 , Saville-steet , Hull . 31 st March , 1 SG 9 .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO TUB EDITOE OF THE EREESTASOXS' ATAGAZIXE AXD AtASOXIC ATIRKOH . Dear Sir and Brotber , —My worthy friend and brother , Dr . Hopkins , in his communication to you ( p . 270 ante ) , has brought under the notice of the Craft a moot poinc of Masonic law , which , I agree with him in hoping " will be well ventilated , and that a correct , or at least a definitedecision may be the result . "

, The learned Doctor having done me the honour of asking my opinion on tho point in question , has , in his communication to you , referred to that opinion , in conjunction with that of others , in a way which , so far as I am concerned , is calculated , as it appears to me , to lead ( I am sure quite unintentionally on his part ) to an erroneous impression as regards the main question in

dispute . Any opinion of mine , of course , goes for very little as compared with that of brethren of far greater eminence and ability in the Craft who have been consulted . Still , as I have been referred to as holding certain views on the matter , I should like , with your permission , to exlainas briefly as I canwhat the view which I took

p , , really was ; the more so as it is only by bringing forward the various readings of the law that the hoped for " correct , or at least definite decision " can be arrived at . I may say , in limine , that I dissented in toto from Bro . Hopkins ' s view that he was legally justified in taking the

chair of the lodge , under the circumstances . Permit me to quote the part of my letter to him relating to this point . I wrote , — " Tour question whether ' a member of a lodge , who is a P . M ., although not of that lodge , is eligible to fill the chair in the absence of the W . M ., if especially requested by him to do so , ' is capable , as it appears to me , of receiving two answers diametrically

opposed to each other , according to tho stand-point from which it is viewed—whether as a matter of brotherly courtesy , or as one of abstract Masonic right . " In the first case , one would conclude that should the W . M . especially request any member of the lodge , being a P . M ., to take the chair , in his absence , all the brethren would bow to the W . M . ' s nomination of a

locum tenens , even should the brother have no legal right to supersede other P . M- ' s who might be present . " Secondly , as to the question of abstract right . On this point , with all submission , I feel bound to say that I cannot concur in your opinion , even though fortified , as ID is , by that of the three eminent brethren to whom you refer . I think , with all humility , that your P CKM .

is right in his interpretation of the law , and for this reason—that in becoming a member of a lodge over which you have not regularly presided as W . M ., you only hold , as it were , the courtesy-title of P . M . in that lodge . You are a P . M . in the lodge , but not of it ; which , to my mind , makes all the difference . Rule 6 , p . 68 ( vol . 1867 ) of the Book of Constitutions , seems to me quite

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

explicit on this point : — " In the Master's absence , the immediate Past Master , or , if he be absent , the Senior Past Master of the lodge present shall take the chair . And if no Past Master of thu lodge [ mark the words , not ' Past Master' simply ] be present , then the Senior Warden , or in his absence the Junior Warden , shall rule the lodge . " It is true that the learned Dr . Oliver , in his

Masonic Jurisprudence ( p . 180 ) says of a P . M . ' s rank ( inter alia ) : — " He becomes a permanent member of Grand Lodge so long as he subscribes to any private lodge under the jurisdiction ; for , though he be only a Past Master of the lodge where he has held office , he ranks as Past Master in every lodge to which he may be affiliated as a subscriber , and he possesses the

unquestioned power of initiating candidates into Masonry" ' { i . e ., as contradistinguished from the doubtful power possessed by a Warden ] . This power , however , I conceive , can only be exercised in the absence or with the acquiescence of all the actual P . M . ' s of a lodge of whieh he may become a member . " As regards the matter in disputewe haveof course

, , ,, to take the law as it stands , not as we might individually wish it to be ; and it will be seen that the view I took was substantially the same as is laid down as the law by the Grand Registrar . As to the relative position a P . M . joining another lodge should properly hold therein ,, there are two sides to this , like most other questions ; for whilst on the ono hand it seems only equitable that

a P . M . ' s rank should be duly recognised , on the other hand it would be manifestly unfair that a P . M ., thus affiliated , should supersede or take precedence of any P . M . who has served the office of Master in the lodge . Yours fraternally , WILLIAM KELLY , D . P . G-. M ., Leicestershire . Leicester , April 6 , 1869 .

TO THE EDITOR Off THE FREEltASOXS' ATAGAZIXE AX"D ATASOXIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —As one taking Bro . Dr . Hopkins' view of the question raised in his letter which appeared in your columns last week , I am quite prepared and willing to admit that , at first sight , Art . 6 at page 78 of the Book of Constitutions ( 1867 edition ) , appears to enact that the strict right of presiding in a particular

lodge is limited to the W . M . and the P . M . ' s who have served in the office of W . M . of the lodge . But I ask the R . W . Prov . Gr . M . for Devon , and all your readers whomay coincide in his opinion , to bear in mind that this clause is not a penal one , like a section in a penal Act of Parliament , which must be construed strictly ; but , on the contrary , should be regarded as a remedial statute ,,

interpreted liberally , and according to its plain and obvious meaning . If we can find expressions in our Statutes capable of an intelligible and reasonable explanation , it is our duty to give effect to them . We are not to place a critical and literal interpretation on the word shall , unless it appears from the whole section that the Grand Lodge intended it to have such effect . In

the case of a lodge in the first year of its existence where , of course , there is no I . P . M . nor any P . M . ' s , and assuming the W . M . to be unavoidably absent , and a formidable array of P . M . ' s of other lodges present , does the R . W- Prov . G . M . for Devon mean to say that one of them " could not properly preside ? " I pause for a reply ,, and must conclude bexpressing my regret that time

y . will not allow me to enter more fully on this important subject at present- Yours fraternally , > fr B . > b 6 , April , 1869 .

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WORKING MASONS. Article 1
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 2
THE UNIVERSALITY OF MASONRY. Article 5
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 5
KNIGHTS TEMPLARY IN DEVONSHIRE. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
BRO. MELVILLE'S DISCOVERIES. Article 10
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 12
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 13
Untitled Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
ROYAL FREEMASONS' SCHOOL FOR FEMALE CHILDREN. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FUNERAL AT LONGTOWN. Article 17
MASONRY IN SOUTH AFRICA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Impostors.

Freemasonry . It is quite time that some organization should take place between provincial lodges , with a view to put a stop to such shameful practices . If the individual brethren of every lodge would cease to give aid to such men , aud on all occasions refer them to the appointed Almoner , the evil would materially

abate , and the money now wasted upon impostors or undeserving brethren would do much to enrich our valuable Masonic charities . Tours fraternally , WILLIAM DAY KEYWOETH , P . M . 57 , P . P . G . Supt . of Works , N . & E . Torkshire , aud Almoner for 57 , 257 , & 1 , 010 . 54 , Saville-steet , Hull . 31 st March , 1 SG 9 .

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

P . M . 'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES .

TO TUB EDITOE OF THE EREESTASOXS' ATAGAZIXE AXD AtASOXIC ATIRKOH . Dear Sir and Brotber , —My worthy friend and brother , Dr . Hopkins , in his communication to you ( p . 270 ante ) , has brought under the notice of the Craft a moot poinc of Masonic law , which , I agree with him in hoping " will be well ventilated , and that a correct , or at least a definitedecision may be the result . "

, The learned Doctor having done me the honour of asking my opinion on tho point in question , has , in his communication to you , referred to that opinion , in conjunction with that of others , in a way which , so far as I am concerned , is calculated , as it appears to me , to lead ( I am sure quite unintentionally on his part ) to an erroneous impression as regards the main question in

dispute . Any opinion of mine , of course , goes for very little as compared with that of brethren of far greater eminence and ability in the Craft who have been consulted . Still , as I have been referred to as holding certain views on the matter , I should like , with your permission , to exlainas briefly as I canwhat the view which I took

p , , really was ; the more so as it is only by bringing forward the various readings of the law that the hoped for " correct , or at least definite decision " can be arrived at . I may say , in limine , that I dissented in toto from Bro . Hopkins ' s view that he was legally justified in taking the

chair of the lodge , under the circumstances . Permit me to quote the part of my letter to him relating to this point . I wrote , — " Tour question whether ' a member of a lodge , who is a P . M ., although not of that lodge , is eligible to fill the chair in the absence of the W . M ., if especially requested by him to do so , ' is capable , as it appears to me , of receiving two answers diametrically

opposed to each other , according to tho stand-point from which it is viewed—whether as a matter of brotherly courtesy , or as one of abstract Masonic right . " In the first case , one would conclude that should the W . M . especially request any member of the lodge , being a P . M ., to take the chair , in his absence , all the brethren would bow to the W . M . ' s nomination of a

locum tenens , even should the brother have no legal right to supersede other P . M- ' s who might be present . " Secondly , as to the question of abstract right . On this point , with all submission , I feel bound to say that I cannot concur in your opinion , even though fortified , as ID is , by that of the three eminent brethren to whom you refer . I think , with all humility , that your P CKM .

is right in his interpretation of the law , and for this reason—that in becoming a member of a lodge over which you have not regularly presided as W . M ., you only hold , as it were , the courtesy-title of P . M . in that lodge . You are a P . M . in the lodge , but not of it ; which , to my mind , makes all the difference . Rule 6 , p . 68 ( vol . 1867 ) of the Book of Constitutions , seems to me quite

P.M.'S And The Working Brethren Of Lodges.

explicit on this point : — " In the Master's absence , the immediate Past Master , or , if he be absent , the Senior Past Master of the lodge present shall take the chair . And if no Past Master of thu lodge [ mark the words , not ' Past Master' simply ] be present , then the Senior Warden , or in his absence the Junior Warden , shall rule the lodge . " It is true that the learned Dr . Oliver , in his

Masonic Jurisprudence ( p . 180 ) says of a P . M . ' s rank ( inter alia ) : — " He becomes a permanent member of Grand Lodge so long as he subscribes to any private lodge under the jurisdiction ; for , though he be only a Past Master of the lodge where he has held office , he ranks as Past Master in every lodge to which he may be affiliated as a subscriber , and he possesses the

unquestioned power of initiating candidates into Masonry" ' { i . e ., as contradistinguished from the doubtful power possessed by a Warden ] . This power , however , I conceive , can only be exercised in the absence or with the acquiescence of all the actual P . M . ' s of a lodge of whieh he may become a member . " As regards the matter in disputewe haveof course

, , ,, to take the law as it stands , not as we might individually wish it to be ; and it will be seen that the view I took was substantially the same as is laid down as the law by the Grand Registrar . As to the relative position a P . M . joining another lodge should properly hold therein ,, there are two sides to this , like most other questions ; for whilst on the ono hand it seems only equitable that

a P . M . ' s rank should be duly recognised , on the other hand it would be manifestly unfair that a P . M ., thus affiliated , should supersede or take precedence of any P . M . who has served the office of Master in the lodge . Yours fraternally , WILLIAM KELLY , D . P . G-. M ., Leicestershire . Leicester , April 6 , 1869 .

TO THE EDITOR Off THE FREEltASOXS' ATAGAZIXE AX"D ATASOXIC MIRROR . Dear Sir and Brother , —As one taking Bro . Dr . Hopkins' view of the question raised in his letter which appeared in your columns last week , I am quite prepared and willing to admit that , at first sight , Art . 6 at page 78 of the Book of Constitutions ( 1867 edition ) , appears to enact that the strict right of presiding in a particular

lodge is limited to the W . M . and the P . M . ' s who have served in the office of W . M . of the lodge . But I ask the R . W . Prov . Gr . M . for Devon , and all your readers whomay coincide in his opinion , to bear in mind that this clause is not a penal one , like a section in a penal Act of Parliament , which must be construed strictly ; but , on the contrary , should be regarded as a remedial statute ,,

interpreted liberally , and according to its plain and obvious meaning . If we can find expressions in our Statutes capable of an intelligible and reasonable explanation , it is our duty to give effect to them . We are not to place a critical and literal interpretation on the word shall , unless it appears from the whole section that the Grand Lodge intended it to have such effect . In

the case of a lodge in the first year of its existence where , of course , there is no I . P . M . nor any P . M . ' s , and assuming the W . M . to be unavoidably absent , and a formidable array of P . M . ' s of other lodges present , does the R . W- Prov . G . M . for Devon mean to say that one of them " could not properly preside ? " I pause for a reply ,, and must conclude bexpressing my regret that time

y . will not allow me to enter more fully on this important subject at present- Yours fraternally , > fr B . > b 6 , April , 1869 .

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