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Knights Templary In Devonshire.

A chapter of the H . R . A . was convened Rt . W . Mr . Anthony Cooper in the chair , when the following officers were chosen , viz : — Anthony Cooper , R . W . M . \ Jno . Young , S . W . * E .. S .. E .. Hardman \ &

Jno . , J . W . Davd . Sinclair , ~ ) T .. / H .. R .. A .. Wm . Henbury , | Levites 7 Anthony Cooper , Z . \ David Sinclair , H . j Benj . ElyJ .

, John Young , Ezra , Royal Arch . John Hardman , N . Willm . Henbury , P . S . I Jno . Trickett , Tyler . / Bros . Robt . Brooks , Jno . Hole , and Francis

Jose De Cruz , Geometric Master Masons , who had just and lawfully passed the chair , being recommended by the Master and Wardens was installed into the sublime degree of * E .. S .. E .. and H .. R .. A .., after part of a lecture went round , the chapter was adjourned in due form , and good

harmony at 10 o ' clock . The Encampment met on Good Friday , April 4 th , 1806 , also on Sunday April 6 , 1806 , Business being over , Encampment closed till it shall please God it call them together again . The next meeting was under warrant from the Duke of York .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

QUEUY . Will you kindly allow the following query to appear in your Magazine : When a member of a lodge makes a protest as well as a complaint against the ruling of a W . M ., and makes an entry in the Secretary's books to refer the same to the Grand Lodge , the said member demands

copies of said minute ; is it in tie poiver of the said WM . to refuse to give the copies , although frequently written to do so by the aggrieved brother ? If this is law , how can a brother refer his case home so as to get justice in . England . Books and documents can be sent to Grand Lodge , but in the Colonies

we cannot send home our books . —A P . M . oi ? THKEE LODGES . 3 TEEEMASONEY ABOUT TWO UtTNDBED YEAES 01 D . "A Masonic Student" cannot have read my remarks at page 22 S very carefully , or he would not have much

so misunderstood what I said , or misquoted me as he does at page 267 . JS . g . He does not even give the title correctly ; then he alters my meaning and words altogether when he states , " Pictus alludes to the lodge dinners of these early fraternities . " Now I deny making such allusionwhat

anv ; I said was—that after the establishment " of the corporation "— " the lodge meeting would be often in a great measure another name for the annual dinner . " Again , I distinctly place the " building

Masonic Notes And Queries.

fraternities " in the " 13 th and 14 th centuries , " while I as distinctly implied the " corporations '' were after them , viz ., —in the 16 th and 17 th centuries ( some Masonic corporations may , perhaps , be somewhat earlier ) , and onwards till now , though they have now lost their trade privileges .

He then says—Pictus is quite incorrect in asserting " that the Master Mason ' s degree is a new creation about the beginning of last century ; '' and he adds , " there is plenty of incontestable evidence , as it appears to me , to prove that its landmarks were known long before the revival * in 1715 . "

Well , Pictus admits that " the landmarks were know long before the revival , " said "landmarks " being the Bible , the histories of different countries in Europe and of Egypt , with the customs , & c , of the peoples , out of which " landmarks" certain individuals fabricated our Master Mason ' s degree about

A . D . 1700 . "The Master Mason ' s degree" being quite a different thing from a " Master Mason , '' or a "Maister of Work , " who employed or overlooked his workmen . But if " A Masonic Student" asserts that said " Master Mason's degree" was in existence before Ashmole ' s time , about 200 years ago , let him

prove it . If Pictus can be shown to be wrong , let there be led—proof—proof—proof ! Name the individual raised to the M . M . degree and the lodge which gave it . I promise most readily to admit my error if it can be proved that I really have erred . I am afraid "A Masonic Student" makes a mistake about the education required or possessed by

operative Masons ; the best educated men are not necessarily the best Craftsmen . Tradesmen get intoa sort of knack at working , and with a little writing and figuring ( or some other plan ) so that they may mark off their work , they can do anything almost in the building way . When once one structure has

been executed , they can easily build a thousand like it , and they can add improvements as they go on . The history of Gothic architecture gives one a sort of idea of " follow the leader . " However , the question is not what they could do , but what did they do ? f In order that there may be no unnecessary

misunderstanding of ideas betwixt us , I would respectfully ask of " A Masonic Student , " if he be content with placing the antiquity of Freemasonry at the utmost in the middle ages , or does he go as far back as Solomon ?—PICTUS .

“The Freemasons' Monthly Magazine: 1869-04-10, Page 8” Masonic Periodicals Online, Library and Museum of Freemasonry, 22 June 2025, django:8000/periodicals/mmr/issues/mmr_10041869/page/8/.
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WORKING MASONS. Article 1
MASONIC CELESTIAL MYSTERIES. Article 2
THE UNIVERSALITY OF MASONRY. Article 5
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 5
KNIGHTS TEMPLARY IN DEVONSHIRE. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
BRO. MELVILLE'S DISCOVERIES. Article 10
MASONIC IMPOSTORS. Article 12
P.M.'S AND THE WORKING BRETHREN OF LODGES. Article 13
Untitled Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 14
ROYAL FREEMASONS' SCHOOL FOR FEMALE CHILDREN. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 16
IRELAND. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 17
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FUNERAL AT LONGTOWN. Article 17
MASONRY IN SOUTH AFRICA. Article 17
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 18
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, MUSIC, DRAMA, AND THE FINE ARTS. Article 19
MASONIC LIFEBOAT FUND. Article 19
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES. Article 19
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Knights Templary In Devonshire.

A chapter of the H . R . A . was convened Rt . W . Mr . Anthony Cooper in the chair , when the following officers were chosen , viz : — Anthony Cooper , R . W . M . \ Jno . Young , S . W . * E .. S .. E .. Hardman \ &

Jno . , J . W . Davd . Sinclair , ~ ) T .. / H .. R .. A .. Wm . Henbury , | Levites 7 Anthony Cooper , Z . \ David Sinclair , H . j Benj . ElyJ .

, John Young , Ezra , Royal Arch . John Hardman , N . Willm . Henbury , P . S . I Jno . Trickett , Tyler . / Bros . Robt . Brooks , Jno . Hole , and Francis

Jose De Cruz , Geometric Master Masons , who had just and lawfully passed the chair , being recommended by the Master and Wardens was installed into the sublime degree of * E .. S .. E .. and H .. R .. A .., after part of a lecture went round , the chapter was adjourned in due form , and good

harmony at 10 o ' clock . The Encampment met on Good Friday , April 4 th , 1806 , also on Sunday April 6 , 1806 , Business being over , Encampment closed till it shall please God it call them together again . The next meeting was under warrant from the Duke of York .

Masonic Notes And Queries.

MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES .

QUEUY . Will you kindly allow the following query to appear in your Magazine : When a member of a lodge makes a protest as well as a complaint against the ruling of a W . M ., and makes an entry in the Secretary's books to refer the same to the Grand Lodge , the said member demands

copies of said minute ; is it in tie poiver of the said WM . to refuse to give the copies , although frequently written to do so by the aggrieved brother ? If this is law , how can a brother refer his case home so as to get justice in . England . Books and documents can be sent to Grand Lodge , but in the Colonies

we cannot send home our books . —A P . M . oi ? THKEE LODGES . 3 TEEEMASONEY ABOUT TWO UtTNDBED YEAES 01 D . "A Masonic Student" cannot have read my remarks at page 22 S very carefully , or he would not have much

so misunderstood what I said , or misquoted me as he does at page 267 . JS . g . He does not even give the title correctly ; then he alters my meaning and words altogether when he states , " Pictus alludes to the lodge dinners of these early fraternities . " Now I deny making such allusionwhat

anv ; I said was—that after the establishment " of the corporation "— " the lodge meeting would be often in a great measure another name for the annual dinner . " Again , I distinctly place the " building

Masonic Notes And Queries.

fraternities " in the " 13 th and 14 th centuries , " while I as distinctly implied the " corporations '' were after them , viz ., —in the 16 th and 17 th centuries ( some Masonic corporations may , perhaps , be somewhat earlier ) , and onwards till now , though they have now lost their trade privileges .

He then says—Pictus is quite incorrect in asserting " that the Master Mason ' s degree is a new creation about the beginning of last century ; '' and he adds , " there is plenty of incontestable evidence , as it appears to me , to prove that its landmarks were known long before the revival * in 1715 . "

Well , Pictus admits that " the landmarks were know long before the revival , " said "landmarks " being the Bible , the histories of different countries in Europe and of Egypt , with the customs , & c , of the peoples , out of which " landmarks" certain individuals fabricated our Master Mason ' s degree about

A . D . 1700 . "The Master Mason ' s degree" being quite a different thing from a " Master Mason , '' or a "Maister of Work , " who employed or overlooked his workmen . But if " A Masonic Student" asserts that said " Master Mason's degree" was in existence before Ashmole ' s time , about 200 years ago , let him

prove it . If Pictus can be shown to be wrong , let there be led—proof—proof—proof ! Name the individual raised to the M . M . degree and the lodge which gave it . I promise most readily to admit my error if it can be proved that I really have erred . I am afraid "A Masonic Student" makes a mistake about the education required or possessed by

operative Masons ; the best educated men are not necessarily the best Craftsmen . Tradesmen get intoa sort of knack at working , and with a little writing and figuring ( or some other plan ) so that they may mark off their work , they can do anything almost in the building way . When once one structure has

been executed , they can easily build a thousand like it , and they can add improvements as they go on . The history of Gothic architecture gives one a sort of idea of " follow the leader . " However , the question is not what they could do , but what did they do ? f In order that there may be no unnecessary

misunderstanding of ideas betwixt us , I would respectfully ask of " A Masonic Student , " if he be content with placing the antiquity of Freemasonry at the utmost in the middle ages , or does he go as far back as Solomon ?—PICTUS .

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