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The Masonic Charities At Home And Abroad.

Western railway , for instance , the names of Bros . Lewis Crombie , Joseph Beattie . John Strapp , and many other good men and true amongst the officers of that company ; on the Great Western railway Sir Daniel Gooch , M . P ., and others ; on

the London and Brighton , the South-Eastern , the London and North-Western , the Great Northern , the Midland , the Great Eastern—indeed , and every one of the greater or lesser railways in , and running out of , the metropolis , nearly all the

principal officers are members of our ancient and honourable fraternity . It is therefore scarcely necessary to do more on the present occasion than suggest the extensive and fertile fields of operation in which such important undertakings might be

advantageously prosecuted , and so materially aid those zealous and indefatigable officers and secretaries of the several Royal Masonic Charitable Institutions . We sincerely hope that the present suggestion

may be taken up promptly , and proved as productive and beneficial to the Masonic Charities , as Ave believe it is capable of being made with a minimum of strain upon the pockets of the charitably disposed members of the Masonic Order .

( No - Iv.)—The Grand Lodge And The Grand Orient.

( No - IV . )—THE GRAND LODGE AND THE GRAND ORIENT .

We are aware that the Grand Lodge of Ens * - land has not received official representatives from the Grand-Orient de France ; but the two Masonic bodies are undoubtedly en rapport , and interchanges of visits are continually going on

between brethren of the two organisations . In the French Calendrier MaQonnique the Grand Lodge is included in the Siste des Puissances MaQonniaues Etrangeres avec lesquelles le Grand-Orient de France est en Correspondence . The

Grand Lodge has , however , declined to acknowledge degrees conferred under charter from Le Supreme Conseil du Rite JScossais , Ancien et Accepte . The editor of the Jersey Express Avas made a Mason in a lodge of the French Scottish

Rite , but afterwards wishing to join an English lodge , the question was distinctly submitted to the Grand Lodge as to whether he could be received as a joining brother , when it was decided that he must be re-initiated , passed , and raised ,

which was accordingly done in Mechanics ' Lodge . The Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland

( No - Iv.)—The Grand Lodge And The Grand Orient.

receive representatives from the Grand-Orient , and have accredited delegates to that body . Moreover , in Lodges of the Grand-Orient an English , Scotch , or Irish Mason is received with hearty Avelcome , Avhile those whom wo may term

" French-Scotch" Masons are regarded as illegitimate . It will be remembered that the lodges of the Grand-Orient in Brittany some time ago refused admittance to Masons of the Supreme Conseil . We have shown that the majority of the

members of the Grand-Orient have supported their Grand Master in declaring that a belief in God and the eternity of the soul is indispensable for membership . We do not know what are the regulations of the Supreme Conseil du , Rite

Ecossais on this head ; but it is unfortunately the fact that the lodges of that body have become notorious hot-beds of infidelity—all belief in God being considered as " retrograde " by many of the eminent " philosophers" Avho meet under the

cticjis of the Conseil . Nay , further , we are informed that one great obstacle to the union ofthe Supreme Conseil Avith the Grand-Orient is the dislike of members of the former body to the stricter discipline of the latter . It is , however ,

pretty Avell understood that the Supreme Conseil is in process of decay , and the probabilities are that when the present chief of the Order dies , its long-deferred dissolution will come about . With regard to the conflict of jurisdictions , we are

aware that there are in London Masonic bodies professing to be chartered by the Grand-Orient ; but we imagine that the charters , if existing , are of old date , and we fancy that they have been used for purposes foreign to the objects of the Craft .

We are , however , prosecuting inquiries hereon , though Ave are afraid that no good purpose would be served by the publication of the facts , Avhich , if Ave are rightly informed , Avould weigh more heavily against the members of these semi-secret ateliers than against the Grand-Orient .

There are in France some brethren who would like to adopt the English system of Avorking in preference to their own ; and it would be an immense advantage to the Craft generally if this idea could be carried . In London there is a lodge

under charter from Lord Zetland which is worked in the French language , but with regard to which we have no information . In Jersey , however , the Lodge La Cesaree , which has become celebrated throughout the world for the eminence of its members and the excellence of its working , is

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THE MASONIC CHARITIES AT HOME AND ABROAD. Article 1
( No - IV.)—THE GRAND LODGE AND THE GRAND ORIENT. Article 2
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 4
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
THE MASTER MASONS' DEGREE. Article 10
THE GRAND ORIENT. Article 11
FREEMASONRY IN" JERSEY. Article 11
BRO. HUGHAN'S ANALYSIS. Article 11
MASONIC MEM. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 14
COLONIAL. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY. Article 18
Obituary. Article 19
BRO. S. R. SHEPHERD. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 18TH 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 18TH. 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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The Masonic Charities At Home And Abroad.

Western railway , for instance , the names of Bros . Lewis Crombie , Joseph Beattie . John Strapp , and many other good men and true amongst the officers of that company ; on the Great Western railway Sir Daniel Gooch , M . P ., and others ; on

the London and Brighton , the South-Eastern , the London and North-Western , the Great Northern , the Midland , the Great Eastern—indeed , and every one of the greater or lesser railways in , and running out of , the metropolis , nearly all the

principal officers are members of our ancient and honourable fraternity . It is therefore scarcely necessary to do more on the present occasion than suggest the extensive and fertile fields of operation in which such important undertakings might be

advantageously prosecuted , and so materially aid those zealous and indefatigable officers and secretaries of the several Royal Masonic Charitable Institutions . We sincerely hope that the present suggestion

may be taken up promptly , and proved as productive and beneficial to the Masonic Charities , as Ave believe it is capable of being made with a minimum of strain upon the pockets of the charitably disposed members of the Masonic Order .

( No - Iv.)—The Grand Lodge And The Grand Orient.

( No - IV . )—THE GRAND LODGE AND THE GRAND ORIENT .

We are aware that the Grand Lodge of Ens * - land has not received official representatives from the Grand-Orient de France ; but the two Masonic bodies are undoubtedly en rapport , and interchanges of visits are continually going on

between brethren of the two organisations . In the French Calendrier MaQonnique the Grand Lodge is included in the Siste des Puissances MaQonniaues Etrangeres avec lesquelles le Grand-Orient de France est en Correspondence . The

Grand Lodge has , however , declined to acknowledge degrees conferred under charter from Le Supreme Conseil du Rite JScossais , Ancien et Accepte . The editor of the Jersey Express Avas made a Mason in a lodge of the French Scottish

Rite , but afterwards wishing to join an English lodge , the question was distinctly submitted to the Grand Lodge as to whether he could be received as a joining brother , when it was decided that he must be re-initiated , passed , and raised ,

which was accordingly done in Mechanics ' Lodge . The Grand Lodges of Ireland and Scotland

( No - Iv.)—The Grand Lodge And The Grand Orient.

receive representatives from the Grand-Orient , and have accredited delegates to that body . Moreover , in Lodges of the Grand-Orient an English , Scotch , or Irish Mason is received with hearty Avelcome , Avhile those whom wo may term

" French-Scotch" Masons are regarded as illegitimate . It will be remembered that the lodges of the Grand-Orient in Brittany some time ago refused admittance to Masons of the Supreme Conseil . We have shown that the majority of the

members of the Grand-Orient have supported their Grand Master in declaring that a belief in God and the eternity of the soul is indispensable for membership . We do not know what are the regulations of the Supreme Conseil du , Rite

Ecossais on this head ; but it is unfortunately the fact that the lodges of that body have become notorious hot-beds of infidelity—all belief in God being considered as " retrograde " by many of the eminent " philosophers" Avho meet under the

cticjis of the Conseil . Nay , further , we are informed that one great obstacle to the union ofthe Supreme Conseil Avith the Grand-Orient is the dislike of members of the former body to the stricter discipline of the latter . It is , however ,

pretty Avell understood that the Supreme Conseil is in process of decay , and the probabilities are that when the present chief of the Order dies , its long-deferred dissolution will come about . With regard to the conflict of jurisdictions , we are

aware that there are in London Masonic bodies professing to be chartered by the Grand-Orient ; but we imagine that the charters , if existing , are of old date , and we fancy that they have been used for purposes foreign to the objects of the Craft .

We are , however , prosecuting inquiries hereon , though Ave are afraid that no good purpose would be served by the publication of the facts , Avhich , if Ave are rightly informed , Avould weigh more heavily against the members of these semi-secret ateliers than against the Grand-Orient .

There are in France some brethren who would like to adopt the English system of Avorking in preference to their own ; and it would be an immense advantage to the Craft generally if this idea could be carried . In London there is a lodge

under charter from Lord Zetland which is worked in the French language , but with regard to which we have no information . In Jersey , however , the Lodge La Cesaree , which has become celebrated throughout the world for the eminence of its members and the excellence of its working , is

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