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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A PRECEPT . Bro . "E . P . M ., " subjoined is a copy of the precept which a Member of the Lower House , after reading the Times newspaper of the 9 fch March , wrote with a pencil in my note-hook . The precept is not Masonicbut in a collection not limited to Craft

, matters , and in which there is not less worldliness than virtue , it may not unfitly find a place , " Be not always in haste to show what was said ; peradventure , it will prove more hurtful than what was thought to have been said . "—C . P . COOPER .

Masonic Exchange.

MASONIC EXCHANGE .

NOTICE . The system of exchanges of objeats wanted , by newspaper correspondence , has of late afforded considerable assistance in mutual accommodation , and we are disposed to afford the same facilities to our subscribers .

Communications addressed to us will meet with attention . Non-subscribers can remit sixpence in postage stamps for notices to be inserted of objects wanted , or at disposal .

The following inquiries have heen received . 1 . D . C . wishes to dispose of some old seals and diplomas . 2 . M . M . wishes to exchange a jewel of No . 29 . 3 . X . Y . Z . has a set of new clothing for the officers of a lodge under the Grand Orient of Franceor

, Grand Oost of the Netherlands . 4 . T . B . would exchange copies of seals . 5 . ~ W . J . L . wants rituals of the degrees below the 18 th iu English and French . He does not want what are called philosophic rituals . 6 . R . T . wants the loan of the ritual of the old

Templars , which is partly in Latin . 7 . W . H . is open to exchange originals or copies of Masonic documents , charters , & c . 8 . D . C . L . has a set of miniature furniture and officers' collars and jewels , & c , for a Lodge of Instruction , the pedestals fold ; he will be glad to

exchange them for a complete set of "Masonic Quarterly , Monthly , and Weekly Magazine and Mirror . " 9 . R . S . T . has a 30 ° jewel , about three inches diameter , together with a silver embroidered sash as good as new ; will exchange it for a 31 ° jewel and collar of the regulation pattern . 10 . X . offers a perfect set of the quarto series of

the Freemasons' Magazine for a collar and jewel of the English 31 ° , and a set of Provincial Grand Officers' clothing . 11 . R . R . S . will exchange a K . H . silver gilt 30 ° jewel , set with French brilliants , and a sash , nearly newfor a complete set of Dr . Oliver ' s Masonic works

, . 12 . J . L . wants an Irish Past Master's apron , collar , and jewel , and will give in exchange those of an English P . M . 13 . Miles wishes to exchange a large handsome Bible , suitable for presentation to an English lodge , for a K . T . signet gold ring .

All answers to be addressed ( post paid ) to the respective numbers and initials , Freemasons' Magazine office , Salisbury-street , W . C , London .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsive fat the opinions expressed iy Correspondents . RED CROSS KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE ? aEEMASOHS' MAGAZINE AN"K MASONIC JUKB . OR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I cannot answer the appeal of your correspondent > Jf , for I know nothing about any of the matters to which he refers , not having been present nor a participator , nor being responsible for them . There ishoweverno difficulty about his finding

, , the history of the Order in question if he wishes it , aa it can he found in any old or new English or foreign book on Orders of Knighthood ; and I am not surprised it is not noticed in Bro . Mackay's " Lexicon of Masonry , " as it was not supposed by him to have anything to do with Masonry .

The practices to which your correspondent refers appear to be modern introductions , and very probably the parties engaged in them can explain them if they see fit . Innovations and changes have heeu made in other branches of the Order . I make these remarks simplfrom courtesy

y , because appealed to , but have no disposition to engage in a controversy in a Masonic journal on a subject in which I am little concerned , aud which in my opinion is not Masonic , although an interest may

attach to this Order , as to many other institutions , in consequence of some few of its members having been Masons . One cause for its being looked upon as a Masonic institution may be that there have been several Eecl Cross Masonic degrees worked in various parts of the world ; but they have originated in

Crusaders' Bed Crosses , and take various designations . The Order of the Bed Cross of Constantine assumes very great antiquity , like several others , upon very questionable historical grounds ; but there is no obligation on to assert or believe all that is

anyone said , nor to connect by continuous links Constantine and Lord Kenlis or any other of the chiefs of the Order . * $ < will find diversity of opinion on these matters , and it is open to him to adopt his own view . The members of the Order may prefer their own legendsand are welcome to them . Their Order is on

, much the same footing in the present day as other capitular orders , and the tide of political events has set in against it , as against the others . Tours fraternally , HYDE CLARKE .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE InEEJTASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 5 IIKBOK . Dear Sir and Brother , — "Will you permit me to correct an error iu my last letter on the above sub * ject ? I spoke of Lord Kenlis as being the son of an English Earl , instead of an Irish Earl . The M . Illustrious Grand Sovereign of the Bed

Cross Knights of Constantine was born in the year 1844 , and is the eldest son of the Earl of Bective , who himself is only a lord by courtesy , being the eldest son of the Marquis of Headt ' ort , in the peerage of Ireland . The creation is as follows : —Baron , 1760 ; Earl , 1760 ; Marquis , 1800 . I see by your valuable paper that tbe M . IU . Sov . has conferred the Grand Cross of the Order upon

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THE MASONIC CHARITIES AT HOME AND ABROAD. Article 1
( No - IV.)—THE GRAND LODGE AND THE GRAND ORIENT. Article 2
EARS OF WHEAT FROM A CORNUCOPIA. Article 4
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 7
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
MASONIC EXCHANGE. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
THE MASTER MASONS' DEGREE. Article 10
THE GRAND ORIENT. Article 11
FREEMASONRY IN" JERSEY. Article 11
BRO. HUGHAN'S ANALYSIS. Article 11
MASONIC MEM. Article 13
METROPOLITAN. Article 13
PROVINCIAL. Article 13
CHANNEL ISLANDS. Article 14
COLONIAL. Article 15
ROYAL ARCH. Article 16
MARK MASONRY. Article 17
MASONIC FESTIVITIES. Article 18
HER MAJESTY'S THEATRE AND BRO. S. MAY. Article 18
Obituary. Article 19
BRO. S. R. SHEPHERD. Article 20
MEETINGS OF THE LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 18TH 1868. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING APRIL 18TH. 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

A PRECEPT . Bro . "E . P . M ., " subjoined is a copy of the precept which a Member of the Lower House , after reading the Times newspaper of the 9 fch March , wrote with a pencil in my note-hook . The precept is not Masonicbut in a collection not limited to Craft

, matters , and in which there is not less worldliness than virtue , it may not unfitly find a place , " Be not always in haste to show what was said ; peradventure , it will prove more hurtful than what was thought to have been said . "—C . P . COOPER .

Masonic Exchange.

MASONIC EXCHANGE .

NOTICE . The system of exchanges of objeats wanted , by newspaper correspondence , has of late afforded considerable assistance in mutual accommodation , and we are disposed to afford the same facilities to our subscribers .

Communications addressed to us will meet with attention . Non-subscribers can remit sixpence in postage stamps for notices to be inserted of objects wanted , or at disposal .

The following inquiries have heen received . 1 . D . C . wishes to dispose of some old seals and diplomas . 2 . M . M . wishes to exchange a jewel of No . 29 . 3 . X . Y . Z . has a set of new clothing for the officers of a lodge under the Grand Orient of Franceor

, Grand Oost of the Netherlands . 4 . T . B . would exchange copies of seals . 5 . ~ W . J . L . wants rituals of the degrees below the 18 th iu English and French . He does not want what are called philosophic rituals . 6 . R . T . wants the loan of the ritual of the old

Templars , which is partly in Latin . 7 . W . H . is open to exchange originals or copies of Masonic documents , charters , & c . 8 . D . C . L . has a set of miniature furniture and officers' collars and jewels , & c , for a Lodge of Instruction , the pedestals fold ; he will be glad to

exchange them for a complete set of "Masonic Quarterly , Monthly , and Weekly Magazine and Mirror . " 9 . R . S . T . has a 30 ° jewel , about three inches diameter , together with a silver embroidered sash as good as new ; will exchange it for a 31 ° jewel and collar of the regulation pattern . 10 . X . offers a perfect set of the quarto series of

the Freemasons' Magazine for a collar and jewel of the English 31 ° , and a set of Provincial Grand Officers' clothing . 11 . R . R . S . will exchange a K . H . silver gilt 30 ° jewel , set with French brilliants , and a sash , nearly newfor a complete set of Dr . Oliver ' s Masonic works

, . 12 . J . L . wants an Irish Past Master's apron , collar , and jewel , and will give in exchange those of an English P . M . 13 . Miles wishes to exchange a large handsome Bible , suitable for presentation to an English lodge , for a K . T . signet gold ring .

All answers to be addressed ( post paid ) to the respective numbers and initials , Freemasons' Magazine office , Salisbury-street , W . C , London .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsive fat the opinions expressed iy Correspondents . RED CROSS KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE .

TO THE EDITOR OF THE ? aEEMASOHS' MAGAZINE AN"K MASONIC JUKB . OR . Dear Sir and Brother , —I cannot answer the appeal of your correspondent > Jf , for I know nothing about any of the matters to which he refers , not having been present nor a participator , nor being responsible for them . There ishoweverno difficulty about his finding

, , the history of the Order in question if he wishes it , aa it can he found in any old or new English or foreign book on Orders of Knighthood ; and I am not surprised it is not noticed in Bro . Mackay's " Lexicon of Masonry , " as it was not supposed by him to have anything to do with Masonry .

The practices to which your correspondent refers appear to be modern introductions , and very probably the parties engaged in them can explain them if they see fit . Innovations and changes have heeu made in other branches of the Order . I make these remarks simplfrom courtesy

y , because appealed to , but have no disposition to engage in a controversy in a Masonic journal on a subject in which I am little concerned , aud which in my opinion is not Masonic , although an interest may

attach to this Order , as to many other institutions , in consequence of some few of its members having been Masons . One cause for its being looked upon as a Masonic institution may be that there have been several Eecl Cross Masonic degrees worked in various parts of the world ; but they have originated in

Crusaders' Bed Crosses , and take various designations . The Order of the Bed Cross of Constantine assumes very great antiquity , like several others , upon very questionable historical grounds ; but there is no obligation on to assert or believe all that is

anyone said , nor to connect by continuous links Constantine and Lord Kenlis or any other of the chiefs of the Order . * $ < will find diversity of opinion on these matters , and it is open to him to adopt his own view . The members of the Order may prefer their own legendsand are welcome to them . Their Order is on

, much the same footing in the present day as other capitular orders , and the tide of political events has set in against it , as against the others . Tours fraternally , HYDE CLARKE .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE InEEJTASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC 5 IIKBOK . Dear Sir and Brother , — "Will you permit me to correct an error iu my last letter on the above sub * ject ? I spoke of Lord Kenlis as being the son of an English Earl , instead of an Irish Earl . The M . Illustrious Grand Sovereign of the Bed

Cross Knights of Constantine was born in the year 1844 , and is the eldest son of the Earl of Bective , who himself is only a lord by courtesy , being the eldest son of the Marquis of Headt ' ort , in the peerage of Ireland . The creation is as follows : —Baron , 1760 ; Earl , 1760 ; Marquis , 1800 . I see by your valuable paper that tbe M . IU . Sov . has conferred the Grand Cross of the Order upon

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