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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Grand Officers , where you only speak of him as "Master designate , " that he had not yet passed the chair . Also , of what lodge had Bro . Victor A . Williamson been W . M . when appointed Junior Grand "Warden ?—W . S . L .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The ' Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . BRO . DR . OLIVER . TO THE EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTIIEE , —I have seen with great pleasure your interesting memoir of our lamented

and distinguished brother . You , at all events , have paid your tribute to him . I do not notice in your journal an account of the honours paid to him by the authorities of the Ancient and Accepted Rite . I understand that at their last meeting the members of the Supreme Council

appeared in mourning , and that after a tribute to the deceased from the learned M . P . Sov ., the members of the high degrees present paid their tribute of respect to a portrait , draped in mourning , of the 111 . Bro ., a late S . G . S . G . 33 ° , an honour conferred on him for his Masonic learning .

Perhaps other honours may have been paid to him , which are not recorded by you . What have the Grand Lodge of England and the Grand Chapter of England done for one who has so much contributed to the Masonic literature of England . Tours fraternally , IS .

THE SOUTH LONDON MASONIC HALL . 10 THE EDI TOE OE THE EKEKJIASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BKOTHER , —Have the promoters of the South Metropolitan Masonic Hall Company fallen asleep over their idea of building a Masonic Hall . Yours fraternally , A SHAREHOLDER .

THE LATE SCANDAL . TO THE EDITOK OE THE FREEMASON'S' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —It is sincerely to be wished that the perpetrator of the late outrage on our premises should be dealt with , and that a suitable and severe punishment should be measured out to him for conduct Masonic

so un- , although misbehaviour to women is exceptional . I should be sorry to abridge the enjoyment of any man , or contest his special prerogative of indulging himself in any way he may see fit , but I have a strong objection to a man taking advantage of the banquet of respectable men to commit

any indiscretion before them . I do not acknowledge that itis Masonic to get drunk , or that any dispensation authorises a man to exhibit himself intoxicated iu a Mason ' s apron , degrading the Craft , to which they have no right to belong . As to the person now in question , it is to be hoped he will receive a meet reward . Yours fraternally , P . M . R . A .

PREROGATIVE OE THE G . M . 10 TIIE EDITOR OP THE EREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR , DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —A late incident , and

Correspondence.

one of a disagreeable nature , occurred at the celebration in honour of the M . W . G . M ., and at which he presided . It will be necessary to provide for the eastigation of the offender , and the question has been raised , how can this be done ? Can this be effected by the ordinary channel of Grand Lodge , or has the

M . AV . G . M . any relic of ancient privilege and prerogative by which he can visit with condign punishment one , guilty of contempt of his distinguished office . Perhaps some brother learned in Masonic lore , who contributes to your pages , may be able to enlighten us . Yours fraternally , J . S .

BRO . COX'S LETTER . TO THE EDITOIt OE THE EREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —I beg to apologise to Bro . Haye for having inadvertently written his name instead of " P . M . " whose letter appeared on 30 th March . I much regret my negligence , and hope Bro . Haye will excuse it . Yours fraternally , A

ORDER OF MUSTARD SEED . TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MII-ECI .. DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —In Count Zinzendorf ' s life it is stated that during his educational course at Halle , between 1710 and 1716 , he formed seven associations with the other studentsfor the purpose

, of adoring Christ , " But he did not stop there . The romantic tendency of his imagination inspired him with the idea of founding a sort of Spiritual Knighthood . The members of this Order at first took the

title of " Slaves of Virtue , " then they styled themselves "Confessors of Christ , " and at length they became known as the Order of the " Graud Mustard Seed . " Their statutes , which are still preserved , bound them to confess the doctrines of Jesus faithfully in their words and their conduct , to exercise love towards their neihboursand to seek the conversion

g , of others , including both the Jews and the heathen . The insignia of the Order consisted of a medal engraved with an JEcee Homo , and the words Nostris Afedela ( in allusion to Isaiah li . ) , as well as a ring on which the passage " Ifone of us liveth to himself , "' ( Rom . xiv . 7 . ) was inscribed . In the centre of the

, , cross worn by the chief of the Order , a mustard plant grown into a large tree was painted , with the motto , Quodftcit ante nihil , ( which before was nothing ) . " I therefore think with Bro . C . P . Cooper , that the-Order had no connection with Masonry whatever ,,, notwithstanding any similarity which may be found

in it . It was founded by the Count some time ' between the 10 th and 16 th year of his age . It appears to me to have been entirely of a missionary character , and undoubtedly proselytised , from its very origin ; and its members were devoted to that purpose alone ? at least during the Count ' s life . Take , for example ,

tbe two Moravian Settlements founded under the Count ' s jurisdiction , and the fact of him travelling to England and elsewhere to form settlements . "Would any brother kindly inform me as to the history of the Order after the Count's death . I may add that I never read of Bro . Cooper ' s communication which he refers to , until your monthly Magazine reached me on Saturday last . Yours fraternally , ELIHOENAI ,.

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ROYAL FREEMASONS' SCHOOL FOE FEMALE CHILDREN. Article 9
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ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 18
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MEETINGS OF THE SCIENTIFIC AND LEARNED SOCIETIES FOR THE WEEK ENDING MAY Article 19
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

Grand Officers , where you only speak of him as "Master designate , " that he had not yet passed the chair . Also , of what lodge had Bro . Victor A . Williamson been W . M . when appointed Junior Grand "Warden ?—W . S . L .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The ' Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed hy Correspondents . BRO . DR . OLIVER . TO THE EDITOK OP THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTIIEE , —I have seen with great pleasure your interesting memoir of our lamented

and distinguished brother . You , at all events , have paid your tribute to him . I do not notice in your journal an account of the honours paid to him by the authorities of the Ancient and Accepted Rite . I understand that at their last meeting the members of the Supreme Council

appeared in mourning , and that after a tribute to the deceased from the learned M . P . Sov ., the members of the high degrees present paid their tribute of respect to a portrait , draped in mourning , of the 111 . Bro ., a late S . G . S . G . 33 ° , an honour conferred on him for his Masonic learning .

Perhaps other honours may have been paid to him , which are not recorded by you . What have the Grand Lodge of England and the Grand Chapter of England done for one who has so much contributed to the Masonic literature of England . Tours fraternally , IS .

THE SOUTH LONDON MASONIC HALL . 10 THE EDI TOE OE THE EKEKJIASONS MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BKOTHER , —Have the promoters of the South Metropolitan Masonic Hall Company fallen asleep over their idea of building a Masonic Hall . Yours fraternally , A SHAREHOLDER .

THE LATE SCANDAL . TO THE EDITOK OE THE FREEMASON'S' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —It is sincerely to be wished that the perpetrator of the late outrage on our premises should be dealt with , and that a suitable and severe punishment should be measured out to him for conduct Masonic

so un- , although misbehaviour to women is exceptional . I should be sorry to abridge the enjoyment of any man , or contest his special prerogative of indulging himself in any way he may see fit , but I have a strong objection to a man taking advantage of the banquet of respectable men to commit

any indiscretion before them . I do not acknowledge that itis Masonic to get drunk , or that any dispensation authorises a man to exhibit himself intoxicated iu a Mason ' s apron , degrading the Craft , to which they have no right to belong . As to the person now in question , it is to be hoped he will receive a meet reward . Yours fraternally , P . M . R . A .

PREROGATIVE OE THE G . M . 10 TIIE EDITOR OP THE EREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR , DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —A late incident , and

Correspondence.

one of a disagreeable nature , occurred at the celebration in honour of the M . W . G . M ., and at which he presided . It will be necessary to provide for the eastigation of the offender , and the question has been raised , how can this be done ? Can this be effected by the ordinary channel of Grand Lodge , or has the

M . AV . G . M . any relic of ancient privilege and prerogative by which he can visit with condign punishment one , guilty of contempt of his distinguished office . Perhaps some brother learned in Masonic lore , who contributes to your pages , may be able to enlighten us . Yours fraternally , J . S .

BRO . COX'S LETTER . TO THE EDITOIt OE THE EREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MIRROR . DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —I beg to apologise to Bro . Haye for having inadvertently written his name instead of " P . M . " whose letter appeared on 30 th March . I much regret my negligence , and hope Bro . Haye will excuse it . Yours fraternally , A

ORDER OF MUSTARD SEED . TO THE EDITOR OE THE EREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AND MASONIC MII-ECI .. DEAE SIE AND BEOTHEE . —In Count Zinzendorf ' s life it is stated that during his educational course at Halle , between 1710 and 1716 , he formed seven associations with the other studentsfor the purpose

, of adoring Christ , " But he did not stop there . The romantic tendency of his imagination inspired him with the idea of founding a sort of Spiritual Knighthood . The members of this Order at first took the

title of " Slaves of Virtue , " then they styled themselves "Confessors of Christ , " and at length they became known as the Order of the " Graud Mustard Seed . " Their statutes , which are still preserved , bound them to confess the doctrines of Jesus faithfully in their words and their conduct , to exercise love towards their neihboursand to seek the conversion

g , of others , including both the Jews and the heathen . The insignia of the Order consisted of a medal engraved with an JEcee Homo , and the words Nostris Afedela ( in allusion to Isaiah li . ) , as well as a ring on which the passage " Ifone of us liveth to himself , "' ( Rom . xiv . 7 . ) was inscribed . In the centre of the

, , cross worn by the chief of the Order , a mustard plant grown into a large tree was painted , with the motto , Quodftcit ante nihil , ( which before was nothing ) . " I therefore think with Bro . C . P . Cooper , that the-Order had no connection with Masonry whatever ,,, notwithstanding any similarity which may be found

in it . It was founded by the Count some time ' between the 10 th and 16 th year of his age . It appears to me to have been entirely of a missionary character , and undoubtedly proselytised , from its very origin ; and its members were devoted to that purpose alone ? at least during the Count ' s life . Take , for example ,

tbe two Moravian Settlements founded under the Count ' s jurisdiction , and the fact of him travelling to England and elsewhere to form settlements . "Would any brother kindly inform me as to the history of the Order after the Count's death . I may add that I never read of Bro . Cooper ' s communication which he refers to , until your monthly Magazine reached me on Saturday last . Yours fraternally , ELIHOENAI ,.

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