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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

[ THE EDITOR does not hold , himself responsible for any opinions entertained bg Correspondents . ] THE NEW SELF-STYLED GRAND LODGE OP MARK MASONRY . TO THE EDITOR Or THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC jrilUlOB . DEAIS , SIB AND BROTHER , — I am in debt a reply to

"R . E . X . " for his letter at page 52 of the MAGAZINE . Business of importance has prevented me replying earlier , and not any intention of being discourteous to him . He tells me there are Lodges " still in working , whoso officers have conferred this degree from 'time immemorial , ' and whose minute-book bear evidence of great antiquity . " This , I confessis informationbecause " time immemorial" is a

, , sadly indefinite phrase . Docs it mean before the revival in 1713 ? If so , how long ? AVhen any ono tells me of " time immemorial , " of course he means from , or through , all time , even before minute-books were in fashion .

I perfectly agree with " R . E . X . " that ive should not bo bandying mere words , and I am fully willing and eager to enter in an emulous spirit with him and promote every Masonic degree , but not to uphold , maintain , or disseminate that which is unmasonic . If he has sworn not to do it , how can he lightly regard that oath ? I will not . I am obliged to him for his desire that I should visit tho

Bon Accord Lodge , but as I happen to be pretty well posted up in its history , I shall never be one of its zealous Marks , nor do I ever wish to see the Mark degree a part of that esoteric Masonry which it never can attain . Neither was I aware when I read the proceedings , nor am I now , that there was or is a Grand Mark Lodge . " B ,. E . X . " should be more disingenious . Ho knows what I have all

alongprotested against—viz ., the right of any set of gentlemen to erect a new authority claiming to be Masonic . If I have anywhere acknowledged the innovation of this schismatieal sect , then " R . E . X . " might say I was aware there was a Grand Mark Lodge : but as I do not , and never shall , I know nothing of the body of gentlemen that call themselves a Grand Mark Lodge , further than recognising them as " the new self-styled Grand Lodge of Mark Masonry . " For the information of " R . E . X . " . 1 am not , and never was , a

member of one of the "Thistles" before alluded to . I reebprocate the friendly feeling of "R . E . X ., " and as ive have met before , so may wc meet again in friendship and brotherly loi'e . Now what is to be done with Bro . Finclel ? He seems to have mistaken mo altogether , and because I have opposed a sham , he wants to make me , by implication , repudiate all

but Craft Masonry . This I decline , and he must look for his Gato elsewhere . It is an oft repeated exclamation , " Save me from my friends ! " and Bro . Findel is one I must call a friend , and yet from whom I wish to be saved . I shall not iiresume to step forward to justify tho 111 .. Bro . Dr . Leeson , but what ho affirms is true , and not all the "daring" in the ivorld can shako the truth .

I ani glad to sec that our proceedings interest Bro . Findel , and I heartily greet him as a blue Mason , but he must not enrol me as one of the German reformed band of Brethren who , because of the illuminism and charlatanism which crept into some of the hi gher grades on the continent , have repudiated the highest and holiest of all—Christian Masonry , and contented themselves with a deism which has no means of leading them to seek that salvation necessary to bring them to tho " other and better ivorld . "

Another opponent , in the person of AV . Punshon , AV . M ., of 586 , thinks mo worthy of a flying shot from his petard . I shall not take his letter seriatim , because it is no answer to mine , but only his opinion and experience . AVill Bro . Pimshon , before he accuses me of ignorance , condescend to read my letter again ? In it ho will not find what ho assumes . I never said the Mark was uot on board the CraftBut

. I did say , and repeat it , that I hope no such crazy bark as the " new self-styled Grand Lodge of Mark Masonry , " maj- over bo moored alongside the Craft . I am deeply pained , as Bro . Punshon alludes to his being an aged man , and age always is honourable ; but ivhen ho hurls four lines of the most wretched doggrcl . ever penned at my head , I am constrained to accept his challenge .

Correspondence.

The mark set upon Cain , has given rise to various speculations , many of which would never have been broached , if the Hebrew text had been consulted . The words probably moan that God gave a sign to Cain , very much as signs were afterwards given to Noah ( Gem ix . 13 ) , Moses ( Exo " d . iii . 2 , 12 ) , Elijah ( 1 Kings , xix . 11 ) , and Hozekiah ( Isaiah iii . 7 , 8 ) . AVhether the sign was perceptible to Cain alone , and given

to him once for all , in token that no man should kill him , or whether it was one that was perceptible to Others , and designed as a precaution to them , and is implied hi our Bibles , is uncertain . The nature of the sign itself is still more uncertain , save that it pomted Cain out as a murderer •—a mark that , however Bro . Punshon may jest over , I have no ambition to obtain . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , ANTI-SPUMOUS MAKE .

Masonic Emblems.

MASONIC EMBLEMS .

IO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRKOE . DEAII SIR AND BKOTIIEB , —It is well known among Masons , and even to many of the uniuitiated , that when a profane seeks to be admitted into our honourable fraternity , he is required to declare that ho has no sinister inducements , no objects of self-aggrandisement , no mercenary or other unworthmotives for takinsuch a stepbut that he is

y g , actuated solely by a favourable opinion preconceived of the institution , a general desire for knowledge , and- a sincere wish to render himself more extensively serviceable to his fellow creatures . Yet , in defiance of alt this solemn profession , no sooner has he been admitted to some of the privileges of Freemasonry , than many a one forgets the lea which he set when offering himself as a candidate

p up , practically gives the lie to his own assertions , evinces that he has been guilty of deception , or , to put it in the mildest form , of thougtless rashness , shows that his real object has been to advance his own intei est , or at least , if such had not been his previous intention , that he is ready to take advantage of opportunities which he imagines are ojien to him for extending his connexions in trade . Little does he

understand the real intentions and high privileges of the Order , who thus abuses the trust reposed in him . Visiting a certain district some years ago , I noticed in several cases our most common emblems , the square and compasses , painted on a board describing the business of a shop , or in connexion with the sign of an inn . Imagining this to be contrary to what I had been taught in the early stages of my progress in the science , though then but a young Mason ,

I took the trouble to enter and remonstrate , though without any beneficial result . Further experience has caused me to abandon any such attempts , for one may be quite sure that a so-called Brother who has so small , a regard for the credit of the fraternity , and ivho acts thus from interested motives , little comprehends or cares for the Institution , unless it can be made subservient to his mercenary purposes , and will not

be amenable to any arguments which may be laid before him . AVhy should he incur all tho expenses of initiation and subscription to a Lodgo , unless he can get somethingout of it ? Such is the reasoning of no small number who belong to our ranks , especially of some of those who keep houses of entertainment , and hence the importance of urging the erection of Masonic Halls , and the severance of the

link which binds Lodges to hotels and taverns . To yon , sir , the Craft is deeply indebted for the manly and independent course you have pursued on this point , in spite of much obloquy and opposition . In few districts is the abuse of which I am speaking more prevalent than in that where I now reside , and I am induced , with your permission , to record in your pages , tho sense of

myself and others with ivhom I am accustomed to act , of the degradation to which our Order is thus subjected in the eyes of tho uninitiated ivorld . The fact I have mentioned is of itself sufficient to deter respectable men from joining us , and I have good reason to believe that such has extensively been its effect . I pray you , therefore , to lend your aid to put a stop to the practice i n one of your series of " Cursory Remarks on Freemasonry . " It is high time for Grand Lodge to take up the subject , and to pass a law absolutely forbidding such

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CLASSICAL THEOLOGY.—XXVIII Article 1
THE STUDY OF CLASSICAL ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 2
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 4
THE FREEMASON AND HIS HAT. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 6
NOTES ON LITERATURE, SCIENCE, AND ART. Article 8
Poetry. Article 9
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 10
MASONIC EMBLEMS. Article 10
THE PROVINCE OF KENT. Article 11
INFLUENCE OF FREEMASONRY. Article 11
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 12
ROYAL BENEVOLENT INSTITUTE FOR AGED MASONS AND THEIR WIDOWS. Article 12
METROPOLITAN. Article 12
PROVINCIAL. Article 12
AMERICAN ITEMS. Article 16
UNDER THE VIOLETS. Article 17
Obituary. Article 18
THE WEEK. Article 18
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
TO OUR READERS. Article 20
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Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

[ THE EDITOR does not hold , himself responsible for any opinions entertained bg Correspondents . ] THE NEW SELF-STYLED GRAND LODGE OP MARK MASONRY . TO THE EDITOR Or THE FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC jrilUlOB . DEAIS , SIB AND BROTHER , — I am in debt a reply to

"R . E . X . " for his letter at page 52 of the MAGAZINE . Business of importance has prevented me replying earlier , and not any intention of being discourteous to him . He tells me there are Lodges " still in working , whoso officers have conferred this degree from 'time immemorial , ' and whose minute-book bear evidence of great antiquity . " This , I confessis informationbecause " time immemorial" is a

, , sadly indefinite phrase . Docs it mean before the revival in 1713 ? If so , how long ? AVhen any ono tells me of " time immemorial , " of course he means from , or through , all time , even before minute-books were in fashion .

I perfectly agree with " R . E . X . " that ive should not bo bandying mere words , and I am fully willing and eager to enter in an emulous spirit with him and promote every Masonic degree , but not to uphold , maintain , or disseminate that which is unmasonic . If he has sworn not to do it , how can he lightly regard that oath ? I will not . I am obliged to him for his desire that I should visit tho

Bon Accord Lodge , but as I happen to be pretty well posted up in its history , I shall never be one of its zealous Marks , nor do I ever wish to see the Mark degree a part of that esoteric Masonry which it never can attain . Neither was I aware when I read the proceedings , nor am I now , that there was or is a Grand Mark Lodge . " B ,. E . X . " should be more disingenious . Ho knows what I have all

alongprotested against—viz ., the right of any set of gentlemen to erect a new authority claiming to be Masonic . If I have anywhere acknowledged the innovation of this schismatieal sect , then " R . E . X . " might say I was aware there was a Grand Mark Lodge : but as I do not , and never shall , I know nothing of the body of gentlemen that call themselves a Grand Mark Lodge , further than recognising them as " the new self-styled Grand Lodge of Mark Masonry . " For the information of " R . E . X . " . 1 am not , and never was , a

member of one of the "Thistles" before alluded to . I reebprocate the friendly feeling of "R . E . X ., " and as ive have met before , so may wc meet again in friendship and brotherly loi'e . Now what is to be done with Bro . Finclel ? He seems to have mistaken mo altogether , and because I have opposed a sham , he wants to make me , by implication , repudiate all

but Craft Masonry . This I decline , and he must look for his Gato elsewhere . It is an oft repeated exclamation , " Save me from my friends ! " and Bro . Findel is one I must call a friend , and yet from whom I wish to be saved . I shall not iiresume to step forward to justify tho 111 .. Bro . Dr . Leeson , but what ho affirms is true , and not all the "daring" in the ivorld can shako the truth .

I ani glad to sec that our proceedings interest Bro . Findel , and I heartily greet him as a blue Mason , but he must not enrol me as one of the German reformed band of Brethren who , because of the illuminism and charlatanism which crept into some of the hi gher grades on the continent , have repudiated the highest and holiest of all—Christian Masonry , and contented themselves with a deism which has no means of leading them to seek that salvation necessary to bring them to tho " other and better ivorld . "

Another opponent , in the person of AV . Punshon , AV . M ., of 586 , thinks mo worthy of a flying shot from his petard . I shall not take his letter seriatim , because it is no answer to mine , but only his opinion and experience . AVill Bro . Pimshon , before he accuses me of ignorance , condescend to read my letter again ? In it ho will not find what ho assumes . I never said the Mark was uot on board the CraftBut

. I did say , and repeat it , that I hope no such crazy bark as the " new self-styled Grand Lodge of Mark Masonry , " maj- over bo moored alongside the Craft . I am deeply pained , as Bro . Punshon alludes to his being an aged man , and age always is honourable ; but ivhen ho hurls four lines of the most wretched doggrcl . ever penned at my head , I am constrained to accept his challenge .

Correspondence.

The mark set upon Cain , has given rise to various speculations , many of which would never have been broached , if the Hebrew text had been consulted . The words probably moan that God gave a sign to Cain , very much as signs were afterwards given to Noah ( Gem ix . 13 ) , Moses ( Exo " d . iii . 2 , 12 ) , Elijah ( 1 Kings , xix . 11 ) , and Hozekiah ( Isaiah iii . 7 , 8 ) . AVhether the sign was perceptible to Cain alone , and given

to him once for all , in token that no man should kill him , or whether it was one that was perceptible to Others , and designed as a precaution to them , and is implied hi our Bibles , is uncertain . The nature of the sign itself is still more uncertain , save that it pomted Cain out as a murderer •—a mark that , however Bro . Punshon may jest over , I have no ambition to obtain . I remain , dear Sir and Brother , Yours fraternally , ANTI-SPUMOUS MAKE .

Masonic Emblems.

MASONIC EMBLEMS .

IO THE EDITOR OF THE FREEMASONS * MAGAZINE AXD MASONIC MIRKOE . DEAII SIR AND BKOTIIEB , —It is well known among Masons , and even to many of the uniuitiated , that when a profane seeks to be admitted into our honourable fraternity , he is required to declare that ho has no sinister inducements , no objects of self-aggrandisement , no mercenary or other unworthmotives for takinsuch a stepbut that he is

y g , actuated solely by a favourable opinion preconceived of the institution , a general desire for knowledge , and- a sincere wish to render himself more extensively serviceable to his fellow creatures . Yet , in defiance of alt this solemn profession , no sooner has he been admitted to some of the privileges of Freemasonry , than many a one forgets the lea which he set when offering himself as a candidate

p up , practically gives the lie to his own assertions , evinces that he has been guilty of deception , or , to put it in the mildest form , of thougtless rashness , shows that his real object has been to advance his own intei est , or at least , if such had not been his previous intention , that he is ready to take advantage of opportunities which he imagines are ojien to him for extending his connexions in trade . Little does he

understand the real intentions and high privileges of the Order , who thus abuses the trust reposed in him . Visiting a certain district some years ago , I noticed in several cases our most common emblems , the square and compasses , painted on a board describing the business of a shop , or in connexion with the sign of an inn . Imagining this to be contrary to what I had been taught in the early stages of my progress in the science , though then but a young Mason ,

I took the trouble to enter and remonstrate , though without any beneficial result . Further experience has caused me to abandon any such attempts , for one may be quite sure that a so-called Brother who has so small , a regard for the credit of the fraternity , and ivho acts thus from interested motives , little comprehends or cares for the Institution , unless it can be made subservient to his mercenary purposes , and will not

be amenable to any arguments which may be laid before him . AVhy should he incur all tho expenses of initiation and subscription to a Lodgo , unless he can get somethingout of it ? Such is the reasoning of no small number who belong to our ranks , especially of some of those who keep houses of entertainment , and hence the importance of urging the erection of Masonic Halls , and the severance of the

link which binds Lodges to hotels and taverns . To yon , sir , the Craft is deeply indebted for the manly and independent course you have pursued on this point , in spite of much obloquy and opposition . In few districts is the abuse of which I am speaking more prevalent than in that where I now reside , and I am induced , with your permission , to record in your pages , tho sense of

myself and others with ivhom I am accustomed to act , of the degradation to which our Order is thus subjected in the eyes of tho uninitiated ivorld . The fact I have mentioned is of itself sufficient to deter respectable men from joining us , and I have good reason to believe that such has extensively been its effect . I pray you , therefore , to lend your aid to put a stop to the practice i n one of your series of " Cursory Remarks on Freemasonry . " It is high time for Grand Lodge to take up the subject , and to pass a law absolutely forbidding such

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