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Masonic Notes And Queries.

" CHABTEE OF SCOTCH KINGS" ( page 188 ) . The remarks of Bro . W . Harps may he a little satirical , yet there is something iu ' hem . Scotch Kings , " in the year 1100 , " were not " busy giving charters to Scotch Lodges of Freemasons . " The king at that time was Edgar ( 1097 to 1107 ) who

, was succeeded by his brother , Alexander I . ( 1107 to 1124 ) , who was succeeded hy his vounger brother , David I . ( H 2-1 to 1153 ) . It was in this ( David ' s ) reign that the great revolution took place in Scotland , in the supplanting of the Cuhlcr . by the Roman Catholics , when so many new monasteries , < fcc , were

founded , and old ones , which had ( alien into decay , restored . Scotland , in the beginning of the twelfth century , was just beginning to recover from " an age of anarchy , " aud when David I . ( our Scottish Charlemagne , or Alfred ) got the reins of government in his hands , he had to begin the work of setting things in order ; aud , although he did so , he does not seem to have granted charters even to burgh towns ,

much less to " lodges of Freemasons . " * Neither did his grandson , Malcolm IV ., who succeeded him ( 1153 to 1165 ) do so ; this was reserved for Malcolm ' s brother , William the Lion ( 1165 to 1214 ) , who was the first to grant charters to burghs , as well as the first to grant anything like a Royal charter to anything like a lodge of Freemasons

, which Masonic charter of his was granted at secondhand ( if I may so express it ) , being a confirmation of what his frieud Bishop Joceline had done , the Fraternity being mentioned in it along with other matters , and this , granted in 1190 , is the oldest genuine document bearing auy resemblance or

connection to a Masonic charter we really know of in Scotland . As to the word Fraternitas in it , meaning a company of operative Masons , Professor Innes ( in a letter to me dated 20 th May , 1 S 6 S ) observes , "ifyou find other such fraternities about that time over Europe , and I think there were some ; "t which observation of Professor Innes I consider to he an

encouragement to look for them . Our talented Masonic historian , Bro . Findel , at page 54 of his History of Freemasonry , alludes to the Company appointed by Bishop Lucy to build his cathedral in 1202 . Was it chartered ?

There is a difference between Scotland and England in regard to the building fraternities . They may have grown up in England or been introduced there with the J \ ormaus in 1066 ; they would then exist in England as a matter of course , which may prove a difficulty in the way of finding many English Royal charters . There may , however , be bishop ' s charters .

But these are merely suggestions of my own . In Scotland agais , previous to the latter half of the twelfth century , the churches built would probably be principally of wood . Scotchmen then were good carpenters . If the churches founded in David ' s time had been of stone , where have they all gone to ? Speaking of the Cathedral of Glasgow , founded in 1123 and dedicated in 1136 , Professor Innes observes

Masonic Notes And Queries.

in " Registrum Episeopatus Glasguensis , " page 24 . " The original Church of Bishop John , built perhaps chiefly of wood , had been recently destroyed by fire . ' ' While David introduced a new religion , it stands to reason that the new religionists would have to feel their way a little before they were able to put up the magnificent stone structures that were afterwards

erected . But as the Scottish carpenters would hardly be able to build stone churches to the satisfaction of their employers . Masons had to be imported into Scotland to do so , who would naturally be looked upon by the Scottish Craftsmen with a jealous eye as intruders , which necessitated the granting of charters

of protection to the Masons , many interests being disturbed iu the introduction of stone versus wood ; opposition being , however , useless , the new-comers would gradually incorporate with themselves the native Craftsmen , aud perhaps the fact that , " until the end of the 16 th century , the Wrights aud moat of the other Crafts * jof the city ( of Glasgow ) were incorporated with the Masons , " ia a relic of these

amalgamations or customs . The great age of Church building iu Scotland was after the treaty ( A . D . 1189 ) between William the Lion aud Richard of England . In Scotland , therefore , we need not look for any charters being granted to building fraternities before the time of William the Lion ; andas if to rivet

, this , Professor Innes says , if you can get a photograph of the entry of the William the Lion charter , " no more ancient or honourable title could be put into your handsome charter chest , ''t While , however , we have no Masonic Scotch charters before the end of the twelfth century , there may have been such

iu England long before that time , and may be got if looked for . The " Masonic Archaeological Institute" has undoubtedly plenty of work before it , and deserves the cordial support of all brethren who desire a true and thorough knowledge of Freemasonry . I wish every success to the search for ancient English charters . —W . P . BUCHAN .

SUPBEME COUNCIL As an old Mason , initiated in England 50 years ago , having resided in tbe South American States for nearly 30 years , and a member of a foreign Supreme Council ( a 33 ° ) , I hope I may be excused for inquiring—first , where your English Council exists or

holds out ? secondly , of whom is it composed , and where can I see their names and addresses , and know something about their social status , & c . ? thirdly , by what other Supreme Council is your English Council recognized ? fourthly , how long has it been establishedand by whom was it founded or generated ?

, fifthly , are there any meetings of chapters or other bodies held under the English Council , and if so , where ? sixthly , is there any Masonic directory in which auy information—beyond that very imperfectly conveyed by the English Craft Calendar , or Masonic Pocket Book—can be obtainedparticularly relating

, to the high grades as I see they are called here . As I leave Europe shortly , I shall be glad of replies in your next . —A 33 ° ( and of the few now living of 25 years standing . )

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FREEMASONRY IN FRANCE. Article 1
THE KNIGHTS TEMPLARS. Article 3
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 11
HIGH DEGREES AND SHAM DEGREES. Article 11
GRAND LODGE LIBRARY. Article 11
MASONIC APPEAL. Article 11
THE STATE OF MASONRY IN THE PROVINCES. Article 12
MASONIC RELIEF IN THE PROVINCES. Article 12
A LEESON TESTIMONIAL. Article 13
GIVE HONOUR TO WHOM HONOUR IS DUE. Article 13
ROYAL ALBERT ASYLUM LANCASTER. Article 14
MASONIC MEMS. Article 15
METROPOLITAN. Article 15
PROVINCIAL. Article 15
INDIA. Article 16
ROYAL ARCH. Article 18
MARK MASONRY. Article 19
RED CROSS KNIGHTS OF CONSTANTINE. Article 19
Obituary. Article 19
DEATH OF MADAME VICTOR HUGO. Article 20
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 20
METROPOLITAN LODGE MEETINGS, ETC., FOR THE WEEK ENDING SEPTEMBER 19th, 1868. Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masonic Notes And Queries.

" CHABTEE OF SCOTCH KINGS" ( page 188 ) . The remarks of Bro . W . Harps may he a little satirical , yet there is something iu ' hem . Scotch Kings , " in the year 1100 , " were not " busy giving charters to Scotch Lodges of Freemasons . " The king at that time was Edgar ( 1097 to 1107 ) who

, was succeeded by his brother , Alexander I . ( 1107 to 1124 ) , who was succeeded hy his vounger brother , David I . ( H 2-1 to 1153 ) . It was in this ( David ' s ) reign that the great revolution took place in Scotland , in the supplanting of the Cuhlcr . by the Roman Catholics , when so many new monasteries , < fcc , were

founded , and old ones , which had ( alien into decay , restored . Scotland , in the beginning of the twelfth century , was just beginning to recover from " an age of anarchy , " aud when David I . ( our Scottish Charlemagne , or Alfred ) got the reins of government in his hands , he had to begin the work of setting things in order ; aud , although he did so , he does not seem to have granted charters even to burgh towns ,

much less to " lodges of Freemasons . " * Neither did his grandson , Malcolm IV ., who succeeded him ( 1153 to 1165 ) do so ; this was reserved for Malcolm ' s brother , William the Lion ( 1165 to 1214 ) , who was the first to grant charters to burghs , as well as the first to grant anything like a Royal charter to anything like a lodge of Freemasons

, which Masonic charter of his was granted at secondhand ( if I may so express it ) , being a confirmation of what his frieud Bishop Joceline had done , the Fraternity being mentioned in it along with other matters , and this , granted in 1190 , is the oldest genuine document bearing auy resemblance or

connection to a Masonic charter we really know of in Scotland . As to the word Fraternitas in it , meaning a company of operative Masons , Professor Innes ( in a letter to me dated 20 th May , 1 S 6 S ) observes , "ifyou find other such fraternities about that time over Europe , and I think there were some ; "t which observation of Professor Innes I consider to he an

encouragement to look for them . Our talented Masonic historian , Bro . Findel , at page 54 of his History of Freemasonry , alludes to the Company appointed by Bishop Lucy to build his cathedral in 1202 . Was it chartered ?

There is a difference between Scotland and England in regard to the building fraternities . They may have grown up in England or been introduced there with the J \ ormaus in 1066 ; they would then exist in England as a matter of course , which may prove a difficulty in the way of finding many English Royal charters . There may , however , be bishop ' s charters .

But these are merely suggestions of my own . In Scotland agais , previous to the latter half of the twelfth century , the churches built would probably be principally of wood . Scotchmen then were good carpenters . If the churches founded in David ' s time had been of stone , where have they all gone to ? Speaking of the Cathedral of Glasgow , founded in 1123 and dedicated in 1136 , Professor Innes observes

Masonic Notes And Queries.

in " Registrum Episeopatus Glasguensis , " page 24 . " The original Church of Bishop John , built perhaps chiefly of wood , had been recently destroyed by fire . ' ' While David introduced a new religion , it stands to reason that the new religionists would have to feel their way a little before they were able to put up the magnificent stone structures that were afterwards

erected . But as the Scottish carpenters would hardly be able to build stone churches to the satisfaction of their employers . Masons had to be imported into Scotland to do so , who would naturally be looked upon by the Scottish Craftsmen with a jealous eye as intruders , which necessitated the granting of charters

of protection to the Masons , many interests being disturbed iu the introduction of stone versus wood ; opposition being , however , useless , the new-comers would gradually incorporate with themselves the native Craftsmen , aud perhaps the fact that , " until the end of the 16 th century , the Wrights aud moat of the other Crafts * jof the city ( of Glasgow ) were incorporated with the Masons , " ia a relic of these

amalgamations or customs . The great age of Church building iu Scotland was after the treaty ( A . D . 1189 ) between William the Lion aud Richard of England . In Scotland , therefore , we need not look for any charters being granted to building fraternities before the time of William the Lion ; andas if to rivet

, this , Professor Innes says , if you can get a photograph of the entry of the William the Lion charter , " no more ancient or honourable title could be put into your handsome charter chest , ''t While , however , we have no Masonic Scotch charters before the end of the twelfth century , there may have been such

iu England long before that time , and may be got if looked for . The " Masonic Archaeological Institute" has undoubtedly plenty of work before it , and deserves the cordial support of all brethren who desire a true and thorough knowledge of Freemasonry . I wish every success to the search for ancient English charters . —W . P . BUCHAN .

SUPBEME COUNCIL As an old Mason , initiated in England 50 years ago , having resided in tbe South American States for nearly 30 years , and a member of a foreign Supreme Council ( a 33 ° ) , I hope I may be excused for inquiring—first , where your English Council exists or

holds out ? secondly , of whom is it composed , and where can I see their names and addresses , and know something about their social status , & c . ? thirdly , by what other Supreme Council is your English Council recognized ? fourthly , how long has it been establishedand by whom was it founded or generated ?

, fifthly , are there any meetings of chapters or other bodies held under the English Council , and if so , where ? sixthly , is there any Masonic directory in which auy information—beyond that very imperfectly conveyed by the English Craft Calendar , or Masonic Pocket Book—can be obtainedparticularly relating

, to the high grades as I see they are called here . As I leave Europe shortly , I shall be glad of replies in your next . —A 33 ° ( and of the few now living of 25 years standing . )

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