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Masters, Wardens, And Past Masters.

the Master of a particular lodge should die , resign , or be deposed , the Senior Warden shall forthwith fill the Master ' s chair till the next time of election , and he ever does in the Master ' s absence fill the chair , even though a former Master

he present ; " and though the present Constitutions provide for a P . M . taking the chair , they also distinctly state , " and if no P . M . of the lodge be present , then the S . W ., or in his absence , the J . W ., shall rule the lodge ; " and surely " Veritas " would not have it ruled

from the North or the South . In America it is still held , as shown by Mackey , Morris , and various other Avriters that the authority is entirely with the Wardens ; and Mackey states that the Warden having , in the absence of the Master , congregated the lodge , " he may , by courtesy , invite a P . M . of the lodge to preside . But as

this congregation of the lodge by a Warden is essential to the legality of the communication , it follows that in the absence of the Master aud both Wardens , the lodge cannot be opened ; and consequently , under such circumstances , a P . M . cannot preside . " Whilst Morris says ,

' ' The S . W . ia responsible for the doings of the lodge in the Master ' s absence , provided he ( the S . W . ) is present , " and , " in the absence of the Master , he can , aud ought , and must , do everything the Master can , ought , and must do when present . " Having , as we belieA r e , established the ri ght of the Warden to perform the duties of a Master , the question

comes , where ought he to sit , and we maintain that as the Lord Chancellor never sits on the throne of the House of Lords , though acting as the representative of the highest personage in the realm , neither should any but the Master of a lodge ever occupy the chair ; aud the late G . Sec , Bro . White , has distinctly laid it doAvn

that "the Wardenis not competent to assume the Master ' s chair , but must sit by the side or in front of it . " This we published at page 366 in the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE of 1857 , having , on our application to Bro . White , on the subject been referred by him to a letter which he

had written to the W . M . of a lodge in the early part of 1855—a copy of which he showed us in the letter book of Grand Lodge , to which "Veritas , " as a Member ofthe Board of General Purposes , can at any time have easy access . We think Ave have now shoAvn that the authorit y

is in our favour , aud that the reply we gave to our correspondent is not such an absurdity as " Veritas" would make it appear . If the Warden cannot remove from his position , or undertake all the duties of the W . M ., we should like " Veritas" to inform us how he would provide for a case like the folloAving , and which actually

occurred iu one of our colonies not five years since : — A Master , during his years of office , was called aAvay from the colony at Avhich he Avas residing to take a public appointment in another colony ; and when he left , there being no P . M . in the colony , there was no one to preside over the lodge but the S . W . " Veritas , " referring to the last part of our reply , says , "the Deputy Grand Master is no parallel . " We did

Masters, Wardens, And Past Masters.

not state he Avas , but only mentioned his position in Grand Lodge as a fact—but we think we can show that to some extent he is a parallel . At the time of the obligation of the Earl of Dalhousie , then Lord Panmure , as D . G . M ., the brother who obligated him was Stephen Barton Wilson , who stood to the left of the pedestal ;

and on the recent occasion of the obligation of the Earl de Grey and Eipon , the duty was performed by Bro . Hall , Prov . G . M . for Cambridgeshire , the G . M . holding his chair and governing the lodge , though delegating the performance of a portion of his duties as G . M ., as he had a perfect ri g ht to do , to other brethren .

France.

FRANCE .

Prince Murat has fixed the 14 th October for the election of G . M . of the Masonic Order of Eranee . The following letter has been written by the private secretary of Prince Napoleon , M . Eauvety , venerable of a lodge , to be communicated to the members of the

Grand Orient of Eranee : — SIR . —Tou haA e done me the honour to ask what are the intentions of H . I . H . Prince Napoleon ivith regard to the election of Grand Master of the French Ereemasons , about to take place . I hasten to inform you that the princehaAung thought proper to give in his

, resignation after the election of last May , has authorised me to declare to the deputies of the lodges of Erench Ereemasons that he Avishes them to give their votes to some other candidate . I am happy to add , in the prince ' s name , that while ceasing to be the representative of the Orderhis Imperial Hihness nevertheless

, g considers it a duty incumbent on him to give his utmost aid to an institution from which he has recently received so signal a proof of confidence and sympathy . Accept , & c , Paris , Oct . 6 . EM . HUBAINE .

Architecture And Archæology.

ARCHITECTURE AND ARCH ? OLOGY .

GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL INTELLIGENCE . The restored church of Thurston , Suffolk , has been reopened . The details of the original structure have been adhered to generally , except in a few minor features of the exterior , and in the fittings of the interior . The roof has been raised again some 6 or 7 ft . ; thereby diminishing the

apparent height of the tower , which , however , is slightly increased . The walls are faced with undressed flint , with stone arches and quoins , up to the string-course , above which tho flints have been dressed . Two bands of red brick have been introduced to give additional strength . The arches are of red brick alternated with dressed flints above the dripstones of the windows . In rebuilding the tower , in

which later work had been introduced , ths architect has restored the original design both in the buttresses and in the traceried windows of the belfry . Inside the church the old stones of the pillars have been replaced , except- unsound ones . The whole of the area of the new nave is thrown open , and filled with oak benches with carved poppy heads ; the chancelwhich remains much as it wasbeing furnished

, , with the original stalls . The organ , which fills the northwest corner , is almost entirely reconstructed ; the fall ofthe tower having nearly destroyed the former one . Above , a simple waggon roof of stained wood has been substituted for one of the perdicular style , with cross beams and carved

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MASTERS, WARDENS, AND PAST MASTERS. Article 1
FRANCE. Article 2
ARCHITECTURE AND ARCHÆOLOGY. Article 2
FROM WESTMINSTER TO LONDON BRIDGE. Article 4
THE EXHIBITION OF 1862. Article 5
MASONIC NOTES AND QUERIES. Article 7
NOTES ON LITERATURE SCIENCE AND ART. Article 8
CORRESPONDENCE. Article 9
FREEMASON'S WIFE. Article 10
THE MASONIC MIRROR. Article 11
THE GIRLS' SCHOOL. Article 11
METROPOLITAN. Article 11
PROVINCIAL. Article 11
TURKEY. Article 13
INDIA. Article 13
KNIGHTS TEMPLAR. Article 15
MARK MASONRY. Article 15
NOTES ON MUSIC AND THE DRAMA. Article 16
PUBLIC AMUSEMENTS. Article 16
THE WEEK. Article 17
Untitled Article 20
TO CORRESPONDENTS. Article 20
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Masters, Wardens, And Past Masters.

the Master of a particular lodge should die , resign , or be deposed , the Senior Warden shall forthwith fill the Master ' s chair till the next time of election , and he ever does in the Master ' s absence fill the chair , even though a former Master

he present ; " and though the present Constitutions provide for a P . M . taking the chair , they also distinctly state , " and if no P . M . of the lodge be present , then the S . W ., or in his absence , the J . W ., shall rule the lodge ; " and surely " Veritas " would not have it ruled

from the North or the South . In America it is still held , as shown by Mackey , Morris , and various other Avriters that the authority is entirely with the Wardens ; and Mackey states that the Warden having , in the absence of the Master , congregated the lodge , " he may , by courtesy , invite a P . M . of the lodge to preside . But as

this congregation of the lodge by a Warden is essential to the legality of the communication , it follows that in the absence of the Master aud both Wardens , the lodge cannot be opened ; and consequently , under such circumstances , a P . M . cannot preside . " Whilst Morris says ,

' ' The S . W . ia responsible for the doings of the lodge in the Master ' s absence , provided he ( the S . W . ) is present , " and , " in the absence of the Master , he can , aud ought , and must , do everything the Master can , ought , and must do when present . " Having , as we belieA r e , established the ri ght of the Warden to perform the duties of a Master , the question

comes , where ought he to sit , and we maintain that as the Lord Chancellor never sits on the throne of the House of Lords , though acting as the representative of the highest personage in the realm , neither should any but the Master of a lodge ever occupy the chair ; aud the late G . Sec , Bro . White , has distinctly laid it doAvn

that "the Wardenis not competent to assume the Master ' s chair , but must sit by the side or in front of it . " This we published at page 366 in the FREEMASONS' MAGAZINE of 1857 , having , on our application to Bro . White , on the subject been referred by him to a letter which he

had written to the W . M . of a lodge in the early part of 1855—a copy of which he showed us in the letter book of Grand Lodge , to which "Veritas , " as a Member ofthe Board of General Purposes , can at any time have easy access . We think Ave have now shoAvn that the authorit y

is in our favour , aud that the reply we gave to our correspondent is not such an absurdity as " Veritas" would make it appear . If the Warden cannot remove from his position , or undertake all the duties of the W . M ., we should like " Veritas" to inform us how he would provide for a case like the folloAving , and which actually

occurred iu one of our colonies not five years since : — A Master , during his years of office , was called aAvay from the colony at Avhich he Avas residing to take a public appointment in another colony ; and when he left , there being no P . M . in the colony , there was no one to preside over the lodge but the S . W . " Veritas , " referring to the last part of our reply , says , "the Deputy Grand Master is no parallel . " We did

Masters, Wardens, And Past Masters.

not state he Avas , but only mentioned his position in Grand Lodge as a fact—but we think we can show that to some extent he is a parallel . At the time of the obligation of the Earl of Dalhousie , then Lord Panmure , as D . G . M ., the brother who obligated him was Stephen Barton Wilson , who stood to the left of the pedestal ;

and on the recent occasion of the obligation of the Earl de Grey and Eipon , the duty was performed by Bro . Hall , Prov . G . M . for Cambridgeshire , the G . M . holding his chair and governing the lodge , though delegating the performance of a portion of his duties as G . M ., as he had a perfect ri g ht to do , to other brethren .

France.

FRANCE .

Prince Murat has fixed the 14 th October for the election of G . M . of the Masonic Order of Eranee . The following letter has been written by the private secretary of Prince Napoleon , M . Eauvety , venerable of a lodge , to be communicated to the members of the

Grand Orient of Eranee : — SIR . —Tou haA e done me the honour to ask what are the intentions of H . I . H . Prince Napoleon ivith regard to the election of Grand Master of the French Ereemasons , about to take place . I hasten to inform you that the princehaAung thought proper to give in his

, resignation after the election of last May , has authorised me to declare to the deputies of the lodges of Erench Ereemasons that he Avishes them to give their votes to some other candidate . I am happy to add , in the prince ' s name , that while ceasing to be the representative of the Orderhis Imperial Hihness nevertheless

, g considers it a duty incumbent on him to give his utmost aid to an institution from which he has recently received so signal a proof of confidence and sympathy . Accept , & c , Paris , Oct . 6 . EM . HUBAINE .

Architecture And Archæology.

ARCHITECTURE AND ARCH ? OLOGY .

GENERAL ARCHITECTURAL INTELLIGENCE . The restored church of Thurston , Suffolk , has been reopened . The details of the original structure have been adhered to generally , except in a few minor features of the exterior , and in the fittings of the interior . The roof has been raised again some 6 or 7 ft . ; thereby diminishing the

apparent height of the tower , which , however , is slightly increased . The walls are faced with undressed flint , with stone arches and quoins , up to the string-course , above which tho flints have been dressed . Two bands of red brick have been introduced to give additional strength . The arches are of red brick alternated with dressed flints above the dripstones of the windows . In rebuilding the tower , in

which later work had been introduced , ths architect has restored the original design both in the buttresses and in the traceried windows of the belfry . Inside the church the old stones of the pillars have been replaced , except- unsound ones . The whole of the area of the new nave is thrown open , and filled with oak benches with carved poppy heads ; the chancelwhich remains much as it wasbeing furnished

, , with the original stalls . The organ , which fills the northwest corner , is almost entirely reconstructed ; the fall ofthe tower having nearly destroyed the former one . Above , a simple waggon roof of stained wood has been substituted for one of the perdicular style , with cross beams and carved

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