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Masonic Notes And Queries.

gestion . Honest Freemasons , who wish to avoid the reproach of trifling—even childishness—which the ignorant ( uninitiated ) throw on some of your proceedings , will avoid fables and fabulous pretence of antiquity . But for choice , they should take their Charters from Solomon rather than Malcolm of

Scotland . The one passes like an Arabian Night ' s tale—people treat it as a harmless invention . But a Charter by a Scotch king who did or could give Charters , has a nasty resemblance to forgery and fraud . Pray forgive my lecture . " Faithfully yours , " 0 INNES . "

' LUPUS " ON THE LODGE OP GLASGOW ST . JOHN ( page 108 . ) "Lupus'' must be an English Mason , or he would know that in some parts of Scotland we are neither very particular about " Masonic Discipline , " nor Masonic efficiency either . He

thereforeundermay , , stand that the fact of Bro . Baird ' s never being a Warden was no bar to his getting the chair . Further , it would _ seem ( at least , so far as the practice hitherto in 3 his is concerned ) , that it is not considered quite respectable , nor is it necessary for the R . W . M . to condescend to workIt cannot—e . g . —

. be said of Bro . Anderson that he wasted his valuable time in posting himself up to work the degrees when he was in office . His master did not do it—errjo , neither would he . —X . Y . Z .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent . ' . THE LODGE 3 GLASGOW .

TO THE EDITOX OP THEE' EKEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASOXIC 1 IIRHOER . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am very much amused at your report of the meeting of this lodge upon the 19 th ult . ; and at the teacup tempest of its B . W . M . I also laugh enjoyingly at the verdant innocence of James Anderson . The whole matter resolves itself

into this : The Glasgow Lodge have lounced for too long a time about their antiquity as founded upon Charters , one of which is a forgery , and the other has nothing to do with the Craft in general , and the 3 in particular . Bro . Buchan loves truth better than he loves the legends of his Mother Lod therefore

ge , Bro . Buchan must be kicked , stoned , spat upon , and finally cast out from the midst of his believing brethren . Bro . Anderson ' s reason for sticking to his mother ' s twaddle , puts me in mind of the saying , " what is , must be right . ' ' There can be no apology offered for Bro . Slack .

He was Secretary , and as such bound to correct any departure from Masonic rule . When I had the honour of being an active member of a lodge , the first question put to a candidate before he signed the Petition Book , was , " Do you come here of your own free will and accordunbiassed bthe solicitation of

, y friends or others , and uninfluenced by improper motives ? " If Bro . Slack was not the guilty party , why , in the name of every thing sensible , did he rush into print with the letters ?

Correspondence.

I do not like sweeping denunciations , but I think that the Lodge 3 " would be noue the worse of being renovated , like the " Highlander ' s gun , " with a new stock , lock , and barrel . Yours fraternally , AN AGED P . M ..

Masonic Chivalry.

MASONIC CHIVALRY .

10 THE EDITOE 01 ? THE " HlEEEtfASOJtS' MAGAZINE Ai'D MASONIC MIEIlOIt . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have made an alarming discovery . I am not fully prepared now to divulge the extent of it , but briefly I may state that Noah founded the Order of the Garter , Nebuchadnezzar the Thistle , and Herod that of St . Patrick . It is a

popular delusion that the Apprentice is the first degree , it is the 33 rd . The Red Cross of Constantine is the 29 th , and the Knight Kadosh is the first . I may state that there is no use for any brother to answer me , or attempt to prove that I am wrong . I am open undoubtedly to conviction , but I should rather like to see the man who is able to convince me . Yours fraternally , DEEP IN THE PAST .

Bro. Findel And Bro. Morris.

BRO . FINDEL AND BRO . MORRIS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EEEElIASOJfS' JUGAZIXE AtTD MASOXIC JTIREOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —There cannot be any doubt that it is not agreeable for me to have anything to do with Bro . Morris . Nevertheless , I feel it my duty to answer the article in the Freemasons' Magazine of 30 th January , p . 82 , not with the intention to set to riht Bro . Morris and his friendsbut onlto

reg , y pudiate the untrue assertions issued therein . Relative to my "History of Freemasonry , " I need not " claim great merit " for it , as I am in the happy position to be able to point to the judgments of the impartial Masonic press all over the world , even in America . In Franceone of the ablest Masonic

, writers , Bro . J . G . Jouaust , at Rennes , author of the excellent " Histoire du Grand Orient , " has reviewed my work in the " Bulletin du Grand Orient de France , " and spoken of it in quite as eulogizing terms as has done the learned editor of " Le Monde

Maeonnique , " Bro . Franz Favre . As Bro . Morris thinks fit to point to a review in the New Torlc Dispatch , as having not left a peg for my history to hang upon , I am happy to point to another review iu the same paper of February 9 th , 1 S 6 S , where the author says : —

" After having been surfeited so long upon Egyptian mysteries . Pagan rites aud Heathen ceremonials , and lectured upon the general science and progress of architecture , it is really refreshing to have at last a history of Freemasonry , in which truth is the principal ingredient . All honour , then , to the faithful ,

plodding German , who has dealt so honestly and conscientiously with the facts of Freemasonry ; who has had the courage to sweep away the historic cobwebs in which it has been enveloped : to drive fables to the nursery , and high-sounding titles and tawdry degrees to the admirers of cheap melodrama ; who has not hesitated to tear down and trample upon some

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Masonic Notes And Queries.

gestion . Honest Freemasons , who wish to avoid the reproach of trifling—even childishness—which the ignorant ( uninitiated ) throw on some of your proceedings , will avoid fables and fabulous pretence of antiquity . But for choice , they should take their Charters from Solomon rather than Malcolm of

Scotland . The one passes like an Arabian Night ' s tale—people treat it as a harmless invention . But a Charter by a Scotch king who did or could give Charters , has a nasty resemblance to forgery and fraud . Pray forgive my lecture . " Faithfully yours , " 0 INNES . "

' LUPUS " ON THE LODGE OP GLASGOW ST . JOHN ( page 108 . ) "Lupus'' must be an English Mason , or he would know that in some parts of Scotland we are neither very particular about " Masonic Discipline , " nor Masonic efficiency either . He

thereforeundermay , , stand that the fact of Bro . Baird ' s never being a Warden was no bar to his getting the chair . Further , it would _ seem ( at least , so far as the practice hitherto in 3 his is concerned ) , that it is not considered quite respectable , nor is it necessary for the R . W . M . to condescend to workIt cannot—e . g . —

. be said of Bro . Anderson that he wasted his valuable time in posting himself up to work the degrees when he was in office . His master did not do it—errjo , neither would he . —X . Y . Z .

Correspondence.

CORRESPONDENCE .

The Editor is not responsible for the opinions expressed by Correspondent . ' . THE LODGE 3 GLASGOW .

TO THE EDITOX OP THEE' EKEEMASOXS' MAGAZINE AND MASOXIC 1 IIRHOER . Dear Sir and Brother , —I am very much amused at your report of the meeting of this lodge upon the 19 th ult . ; and at the teacup tempest of its B . W . M . I also laugh enjoyingly at the verdant innocence of James Anderson . The whole matter resolves itself

into this : The Glasgow Lodge have lounced for too long a time about their antiquity as founded upon Charters , one of which is a forgery , and the other has nothing to do with the Craft in general , and the 3 in particular . Bro . Buchan loves truth better than he loves the legends of his Mother Lod therefore

ge , Bro . Buchan must be kicked , stoned , spat upon , and finally cast out from the midst of his believing brethren . Bro . Anderson ' s reason for sticking to his mother ' s twaddle , puts me in mind of the saying , " what is , must be right . ' ' There can be no apology offered for Bro . Slack .

He was Secretary , and as such bound to correct any departure from Masonic rule . When I had the honour of being an active member of a lodge , the first question put to a candidate before he signed the Petition Book , was , " Do you come here of your own free will and accordunbiassed bthe solicitation of

, y friends or others , and uninfluenced by improper motives ? " If Bro . Slack was not the guilty party , why , in the name of every thing sensible , did he rush into print with the letters ?

Correspondence.

I do not like sweeping denunciations , but I think that the Lodge 3 " would be noue the worse of being renovated , like the " Highlander ' s gun , " with a new stock , lock , and barrel . Yours fraternally , AN AGED P . M ..

Masonic Chivalry.

MASONIC CHIVALRY .

10 THE EDITOE 01 ? THE " HlEEEtfASOJtS' MAGAZINE Ai'D MASONIC MIEIlOIt . Dear Sir and Brother , —I have made an alarming discovery . I am not fully prepared now to divulge the extent of it , but briefly I may state that Noah founded the Order of the Garter , Nebuchadnezzar the Thistle , and Herod that of St . Patrick . It is a

popular delusion that the Apprentice is the first degree , it is the 33 rd . The Red Cross of Constantine is the 29 th , and the Knight Kadosh is the first . I may state that there is no use for any brother to answer me , or attempt to prove that I am wrong . I am open undoubtedly to conviction , but I should rather like to see the man who is able to convince me . Yours fraternally , DEEP IN THE PAST .

Bro. Findel And Bro. Morris.

BRO . FINDEL AND BRO . MORRIS .

TO THE EDITOR OE THE EEEElIASOJfS' JUGAZIXE AtTD MASOXIC JTIREOE . Dear Sir and Brother , —There cannot be any doubt that it is not agreeable for me to have anything to do with Bro . Morris . Nevertheless , I feel it my duty to answer the article in the Freemasons' Magazine of 30 th January , p . 82 , not with the intention to set to riht Bro . Morris and his friendsbut onlto

reg , y pudiate the untrue assertions issued therein . Relative to my "History of Freemasonry , " I need not " claim great merit " for it , as I am in the happy position to be able to point to the judgments of the impartial Masonic press all over the world , even in America . In Franceone of the ablest Masonic

, writers , Bro . J . G . Jouaust , at Rennes , author of the excellent " Histoire du Grand Orient , " has reviewed my work in the " Bulletin du Grand Orient de France , " and spoken of it in quite as eulogizing terms as has done the learned editor of " Le Monde

Maeonnique , " Bro . Franz Favre . As Bro . Morris thinks fit to point to a review in the New Torlc Dispatch , as having not left a peg for my history to hang upon , I am happy to point to another review iu the same paper of February 9 th , 1 S 6 S , where the author says : —

" After having been surfeited so long upon Egyptian mysteries . Pagan rites aud Heathen ceremonials , and lectured upon the general science and progress of architecture , it is really refreshing to have at last a history of Freemasonry , in which truth is the principal ingredient . All honour , then , to the faithful ,

plodding German , who has dealt so honestly and conscientiously with the facts of Freemasonry ; who has had the courage to sweep away the historic cobwebs in which it has been enveloped : to drive fables to the nursery , and high-sounding titles and tawdry degrees to the admirers of cheap melodrama ; who has not hesitated to tear down and trample upon some

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